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How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby nitrousnick » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:37 pm

PARTS NEEDED

300 ford six
v8 transmission,c-4 with small bellhousing
250 flexplate,its 157 tooth its neutural balanced just like the 300's
240 passanger car oilpan,pick-up tube-came in 60 something galaxy's
clifford drag header for 300 in early mustang
radaitor inlet and outlet moved-waterpump inlet needs to be on pass side

I cut up my oil pan to make the sump deeper
I redrilled the trans mount to move the engine back for more rad. clearance,not nesssary though.

MOTOR MOUNTS

after I located the trans I bolted the engine to it and located the mounting locations for the mounts.
I located some v8 engine mounts for a mustang and bolted them into the car,then I got some rectangle channel and welded tabs on them so i could bolt them to the mounts on the car,marked the mount location and drilled the hole for the motor mount studs.

Some pics of engine mount,v8 frame mounts bolted to the car with
1 1/2x3in channel,I welded tabes to the channel so I didnt distroy the v8 frame mounts.pic off trans mount with holes redrilled to get more clearance to the radiator.


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Postby mutt » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:53 pm

ya get a great, big GOLD STAR!!!!!!!
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Postby 82F100 » Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:40 pm

Nick is that header still available by special order?
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Postby THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:24 am

Nice work!

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Postby nitrousnick » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:00 pm

82F100 wrote:Nick is that header still available by special order?


I dont know if the header is still available,I dont see it on the website.I have an older catalog from 91 with the drag headers in it.I have not seen the new catalog.If you want me to check a part number for one let me know.
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Postby shmoozo » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:56 am

82F100 wrote:Nick is that header still available by special order?


I can't answer that, but at least they do still list the shorty headers. Here is an image and a link.

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[url=http://www.cliffordperformance.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CP&Product_Code=53-0015&Category_Code=F300]53-0015 "6=8 HEADERS" Ford Truck Headers 1980-90 2wd & 4wd
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The Clifford Web Site wrote:Fittment: All 1980-90 Ford Trucks 240/300 cid 2wd & 4wd. Description: This is a shorty street rod header which includes the header gasket and street hookup kit. Average gains on a stock engine are 18-22% when bolting on this header. We have found great performance gains and a throaty muscle car sound when using 2 1/4" exhaust pipes and dual 3 chamber mufflers. The 3 chamber mufflers will reduce the resonation inside the cab. Want more power? Try using our X pipe (Part # 09-0250) and gain 6 to 10% more power!!!


I sure won't vouch for the accuracy of their possibly optimistic horsepower gains, but you can click on that link for more info.
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Postby wallaka » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:29 am

That's their standard header description.
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Postby 82F100 » Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:30 am

I don't think they've offered that header for over 10 years now.
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Postby Lupin398 » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:56 pm

I know I can probably get a new flywheel, but any ideas on where to get the oil pan and pick-up tube? Not many cars around here with those motors, seems most people just want to slap the biggest V8 that will fit between the fenders in.

I may end up doing this and putting a 300 in my '68 mustang being as the 200 is being rather rare here.

I also have a C4 that is currently bolted up to a 351, that should be fine behind a 300, right?
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Postby Ba Mustang » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:42 am

No clearance issues?
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Postby J.R. » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:28 pm

Lupin398 wrote:... I also have a C4 that is currently bolted up to a 351, that should be fine behind a 300, right?


Yes, if the 351 is a Windsor, Cleveland, or one of the relatively rare mid-70s 351M engines manufactured with the Windsor SBF V8 bellhousing pattern. Most "M"-series(#335-series) have the 370-429-460(#385-series) bellhousing pattern.


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Postby 250coupe » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:57 pm

you just rechanged my mind about putting a 300 in my mavi, mavs and falcons are the same anyway. man thats cool :P :P :P 8)
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Postby fastfalcon_19 » Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:10 am

hey i have a 96 300 and the 5 spd from our old truck that just sitts in our yard. can i fit the fulie engine in my 65 falcon>? im pretty shure the trans wont fit though, will it? :shock:
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby Harte3 » Tue May 12, 2009 11:17 am

A bit of custom fitment like nitrousnick is doing and it can be made to work...it won't be a drop-in.

I know where a Falcon is sitting (if it's still there) and have wondered about doing that myself.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby nevrenufhp » Wed May 13, 2009 9:04 pm

It just wouldn't be right without side draft Webers! 8)
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Postby shmoozo » Thu May 14, 2009 10:59 am

fastfalcon_19 wrote:hey i have a 96 300 and the 5 spd from our old truck that just sitts in our yard. can i fit the fulie engine in my 65 falcon>? im pretty shure the trans wont fit though, will it? :shock:


My guess is that you'd run into some serious hood clearance issues. The EFI 4.9 engines are extremely tall.

And yeah, you would likely have trans tunnel clearance issues as well trying to shoehorn a truck transmission in there, but you can always cut out the trans tunnel and build a new one and hide it under the carpet.

The hood clearance problem is where I think you'd really have difficulties, though. The top of that EFI intake would likely be several inches above your hood line. That would require you to put a very large bulge on the top of your hood, or switch to a different form of induction.

Side draft Weber carbs (or throttle body injection units built to the same form factor) might work with a bit of sheet metal work to the passenger side shock tower [click HERE for an illustration], but with that option you've just trashed any hope you'd have of coming in at a reasonable budget.

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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby rbrduck71 » Fri May 22, 2009 12:22 am

I WANNA SEE MORE OF THAT PINTO!!!
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby Anlushac11 » Sun May 24, 2009 4:11 pm

Anyone know what the complete weight of the 300 inline motor is?
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby StrangeRanger » Sun May 24, 2009 5:25 pm

Anlushac11 wrote:Anyone know what the complete weight of the 300 inline motor is?


Third question in the FAQ
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon May 25, 2009 9:33 pm

dATA i HAVE SHOWS 490 LBS WITH CAST IRON MANIFOLDS, manual flywheel, dry.

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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby Ba Mustang » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:24 pm

In your mustang did you have any hood clearance problems? I am really insterested in performing this swap on my 67, but don't want to cut into either of my hoods and can't afford a new one yet.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby nitrousnick » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:10 pm

Ba Mustang wrote:In your mustang did you have any hood clearance problems? I am really insterested in performing this swap on my 67, but don't want to cut into either of my hoods and can't afford a new one yet.


If you get a 4bbl carb ,cut the choke horn off and dont run an air cleaner it should fit with a stock hood,but to do it right you need to modify the hood.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby Ba Mustang » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:21 am

Ok thanks
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby HTexan » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:55 pm

will this swap work with the stock I6 steering?
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby Ronbo » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:56 am

Nick, you make that sound sooooo easy. Its all those little details that would keep me from attempting this.

Do the headers hang that low or is that an optical illusion?

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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby Ba Mustang » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:49 pm

Are you able to use a I6 radiator or did you have to use a V8 one? What side is the lower radiator outlet on?
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby FordMan1988 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:25 pm

BEAUTIFUL!!!!! :beer: I got here a little late but that is awesome. I'd love to see it in person.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby FordMan1988 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:21 pm

Will sidedraft 3x2 webers fit under a stock hood? or maybe a GT350 hood? Im trying to strikea deal on a 67' stang with no engine and trans, it wil be home to a 300.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby myrod1937 » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:24 pm

Hi there Nick,,,,,,,I am a "newbie" to this stuff, and I just found this page a couple days ago. I had been thinking about trying this swap a couple years ago, but wasn't sure if the darn thing would fit in there! I am a subscriber to Auto Restorer magazine, and I wrote a letter to them seeking advice on this 300 swap. They said that they were told, and were sure that it could be done, but they didn't have any experience with this swap. In the letter, I'd asked them about motor mounts and they referred me to Clifford Performance, and said that they "made" motor mounts for this purpose. Soooooo,,,,,,,,,,,,I contacted Clifford Performance and asked them about it. They also assured me that this swap could be done and have the clearances needed to keep everything stock looking but said "they didn't make motor mounts for this purpose, but used "big block Ford" mounts instead. They said you mounted the mount on one side as it was supposed to be mounted, then turned the mount "upside down" when installing the mount on the other side. Sounded fairly easy to me, just a bolt-on. Now, since I was assured that I could put this 300 six into my 1965 Mustang, I started looking for a motor. I have since purchased a motor and wanted to "just set the motor into the motor compartment" as it is, to MAKE SURE that it would actually work, before starting the build on the motor. Once again I called Clifford Performance, this time to get information on "the actual Ford big block motor mounts" they use for this purpose (year, make, model, and engine size of the car for which to buy the mounts) since "big block" motor mounts come in various sizes and configurations. The only answer I could get was to "just buy Ford big block motor mounts" which left me in "limbo" again. Have you ever heard of a big block ford motor mount that would work for this purpose? If there is a mount that would "at least" practically bolt in,,,,,,,,,,I would rather "buy" this mount to start with if it means less modifications have to be made to it. If you don't have any idea of what I am talking about when I asked this question, I would appreciate it very much if you would tell me the type of Mustang V/8 motor mount that you started with on THIS project that you completed. If I got just "any" V/8 motor mount, would the modifications be the same? I'm afraid that if I get one that doesn't quite look the same as yours,,,,,,,,,,,,,that I'll end up "screwing it up"! Thanks for any help you can give,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I think I need one of those "yellow books", that says "For Dummies" on the front of it!
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby 82F100 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:42 pm

In checking the 300 FAQ post there's a post in regards to using a Trans dapt engine crossmemeber for the FE motors (360-428) to install a 300 in an early truck.I wonder if they are referring to those mounts as being the BB mounts.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby myrod1937 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:51 pm

Thanks! I went back to the FAQ and read the article. It looked like he tried to post a pic, but it didn't show up, and I wish it had. It sounds to me like he is talking about a aftermarket transmission crossmember, of which I think would be "one piece" and would be used to mount the transmission to it. At Clifford, they told me to use Ford BB motor mounts to install the 300 Six engine, and said that you mount the passenger side as it was originally supposed to be mounted. The mount on the drivers side should be turned "upside down" as related to how it was originally supposed to be mounted. If they were talking about a "crossmember", it would only be one piece and therefor you could not mount one side "the orginal way", and the other side, "upside down". So, according to what he told me I am under the impression that he "was talking" about two separate motor mounts, a right side and a left side. Hey, I don't know for sure what he meant, I tried to get him to explain it better, but that was all I could get out of him. As before,,,,,,,appreciate any and all help I can get on this. Thanks
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby 86ford » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:16 am

will this be the the same for a 72 maverick, would there maby be more rume under the hude the mavericks is rased in the middel. :hmmm:
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby 82F100 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:06 pm

86' Check the thread about the turbo Maverick with a 300 for some pics. Probably a 3-4" cowl hood would provide enough clearance.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby inline300 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:36 pm

86ford wrote:will this be the the same for a 72 maverick, would there maby be more rume under the hude the mavericks is rased in the middel. :hmmm:


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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby BetsyBabe64 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:18 am

i'm saving up to buy a 1965 Falcon Sedan that comes with a c4 transmission. Today i went to the junk yard and found a running 300 that's in a 1970 econoline van. The engine looks good. If i pull it myself i can get the engine and the bell housing for $350.00. This seems like a good deal right ? Are these 1970's 300's good ? I plan on rebuilding it for drag racing.

My only concern is the transmission. I want a manual rachet shifter and right now the engine is linked to a manual tranny. If i sell the C4 transmission, what would be a good transmission for a street rod/ drag racer ?
The original tranny is in no way performance oriented right ? This seems crazy hard but i want to put a super charger on it :nod:
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby bubba22349 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:12 pm

The C4 is a very good trans for performance use advantages are lightweight uses less HP to turn it. Can be built to handle lots of power. Stronger yet is a C6 lot more weight and uses much more HP to operate it, advantage it’s practically indestructible.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby BetsyBabe64 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:49 pm

Both the c4 and c6 are indeed good transmissions but they're automatics :(

i want my rachet shifter ! the E40D is a heavy duty tranny like the C6 right ? Does that come in a manual version ? I'm under the impression those are good for drag racing but are those for Diesel rigs only ?

I hear the I300 likes manual shifters more so then automatic. Is this true ?

Ideally when i rebuild this 300, i want to get as much HP as i can from it so i'd need a transmission that can handle a lot of power and can be used for drag racing and street. Any suggestions ?
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby StrangeRanger » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:41 pm

There are manual shift valve bodies for the C4 and the C6. The manually shifted C4 is virtually the standard Ford drag-race tranny.

The E4OD is pretty useless for your application. It is electronically controlled and requires a processor to run it. Because it's an overdrive tranny it is larger and heavier than the C-6 upon which it is based and with which it shares many components.

If you want a ratchet shifted sequential manual trans you are looking at BIG dollars. If you can live with a conventional H-pattern, look at a Ford toploader 4-speed or a Tremec TKO 5-speed.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:53 pm

The Econoline C4 that you are getting with the engine is very likely a pan-fill, short tailshaft early C4 that is not performance oriented and differs greatly from the later, more desireable case-fill transmissions which start off in low. It is worth next-to-nothing except to an Econoline restorer.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby Falconman62 » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:08 am

Um..Well I know a gentleman who has an old Doug Nash 4+1 in his 62 Ranchero (race only application) and it has a rachet shift set up on it. So it is doable except that particular ranchero has a 347 stroker and parts for the trans. aren't that easy to come by.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:14 am

I used to run a Ford toploader wide-ratio trans in my altered, using a Mr. Gasket vertical gate shifter and a super-low Liberty 2.87 first gear. The shifter came up between my legs. That will be nearly unbreakable in your ride. It will set you back about two grand, but you won't have to worry about breaking it.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby Beebeebobe » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:26 pm

Sorry, I posted my question before I found this. So, thanks for posting it Mod Squad.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby cballard1972 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:36 pm

BetsyBabe64 wrote:i'm saving up to buy a 1965 Falcon Sedan that comes with a c4 transmission. Today i went to the junk yard and found a running 300 that's in a 1970 econoline van. The engine looks good. If i pull it myself i can get the engine and the bell housing for $350.00. This seems like a good deal right ? Are these 1970's 300's good ? I plan on rebuilding it for drag racing.

My only concern is the transmission. I want a manual rachet shifter and right now the engine is linked to a manual tranny. If i sell the C4 transmission, what would be a good transmission for a street rod/ drag racer ?
The original tranny is in no way performance oriented right ? This seems crazy hard but i want to put a super charger on it :nod:



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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:51 pm

cballard1972 wrote:
BetsyBabe64 wrote:... what would be a good transmission for a street rod/ drag racer ?
The original tranny is in no way performance oriented right ? This seems crazy hard but i want to put a super charger on it :nod:



My four door base sedan looks identical to yours BB. :D


In my opinion and based also on other racers results I've seen there are only two good options: either a C6 or a Powerglide. Let the flaming by the C4 fans begin.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby nevrenufhp » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:57 pm

Since the FE and 300 use the same engine-frame perches in the older trucks, couldnt that work for looking up some mounts? I'm scratching up some ideas of a father/daughter 68 Stang/Shelby clone project. Stealing the 300 from my pickup.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby yolocah » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:59 pm

I just purchased a 66 mustang for a song, and this older than I am guy, also had a rebuilt 300. I ended up with both of them and hope to combine them in to one project. This will be my first attempt for a complete project. The 300 has me stumped, I've read a lot of the posts and the "Prep H " article and the "Big Six Build by FTF" article. Are there more current articles? I'm hoping to build a reasonably good street machine. I emailed Clifford and asked what they had for a head etc .and no response as of yet,one month.
The questions are what work do I do to the head and who does good work?

I should also ask for engine installation advice, "DO's and DON'Ts

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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:54 am

I would recommend Jerry Arnold Cylinder Heads for a good head at a reasonable price. Jerry has done extensive R&D on the 240/300 Fords.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby yerdonrw » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:24 pm

nitrousnick wrote:
Ba Mustang wrote:In your mustang did you have any hood clearance problems? I am really insterested in performing this swap on my 67, but don't want to cut into either of my hoods and can't afford a new one yet.


If you get a 4bbl carb ,cut the choke horn off and dont run an air cleaner it should fit with a stock hood,but to do it right you need to modify the hood.


Can you share a pic or two of what you did to your hood to make it work?

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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby Daves68Mustang200 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:56 am

Howdy guys,
So I got lucky and found a guy in my area who was selling a 300 from a 82 F150 for a 100 bucks and a c4 to go with it for another 75 bucks. Needless to say I wanted to jump on the deal but I found this topic before I went for the deal. I was able to find the oil pan and pick up tube for the 300 on summit for a fair and some would say cheap price to make the mod to fit in the mustang. However I notice as I was looking at the flex plates the 300 came with one for a c4 tranny, so I opted for it rather than the 250 as posted. The parts are on order and some have already been shipped. I have been having difficulty understanding the concept of the Big Block Ford motor mounts used to make it fit but I did get the original mounts from the guy and from first impressions the mounts should make it fit albeit a bit tall for the hood. Everything should come in by the new year and I will get to have the fun mock fitting it before the new year starts along with my dad and brother. I will give summit racing this, it has a tab that will show you where some parts will work with other years and models which made it easy for me to purchase the parts. Ive taken some crude measurements and it looks like as long as I dont put a mechanical fan and place an electric one in front of the radiator... everything should just be bolt in. I will take pics as I am fitting everything in and will let you guys know how everything goes. Till then if you all have any good ideas for cleaning oil drains from slug and gunk using sprays or oils let me know as I want to make sure the oiling is 100%.
For now I am keeping the 300 stock and when I get back from Korea I want to start modifying it. I would like to keep it N/A but supercharging it sounds like a nice idea. Ideally I will do the normal port polish and maybe even modify the intake to fit a 2v carb on it for better performance and economy... better cam, flat top pistons (valve relief cut if necessary), headers, and all the goodies to try to get as much hp and torque out of it to make it a worthy street racer but daily driver as well. Later I will also change it back from auto to manual transmission with a good 4 speed to burn tires with. I know Im late in the game but Im an up and coming youngin (25 yr old) ready to turn wrenches, bust knuckles, and get dirty putting a rustang back on the road as a bit of a frankenstang and 100% hot rod.
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Re: How to install a 300 in a Mustang/ Falcon

Postby THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:26 pm

That sounds like a fun project Dave. Persevere. You will have a fun and unique ride.
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