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I'm new to this website - so I apologize if this topic has already been put out there. I have recently installed an aftermarket (Advance Adapters Ranger torque splitter) overdrive in my 4 speed truck F250 and I like it a lot. Anyone interested in knowing more about the product and installation issues?


Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:53 pm
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One fellow here, "broncr" (not bronca - he's not Argentinian) has installed a Gear Vendors overdrive on his Bronco. In conjunction with water injection, he has found some favourable mileage results at times.

I suspect he'll be along soon enough - you should compare notes with him. The adapted overdrives seem to have a high ratio of "gonna do" to "done it" so it may be that you two are a select bunch!

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I've had an Advance Adapters overdrive on an NP435 in my truck for 13 years. Does yours make any noise at all?


Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:51 am
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I gave the Ranger a long, hard look. Ultimately, I decided to go with the Gear Vendors. Based on my experience, I'd imagine that you are similarly pleased with the Ranger. The AA & the GV are kind of two different beasts. My reasons for going with the GV, instead of the AA, were:

1) A much easier install - just shorten the rear shaft, & bolt it BEHIND the tranny - vs the Ranger - in front of the T case & also lengthen the front drive shaft, relocate both gearshifts, and relocate the tranny mount/crossmember .

2) The shift button (electronic) is mounted to the gear shift - vs a second (third, if you count the T-case shifter) gear shifter.

3) I wanted a highway overdrive - not much need for extra gears in 4X4 with the hi-low T case. The GV will NOT engage in 4X4!!!

I'm sure there are some folks here that would like to hear about your install! It would make a nice "archive" article - for those who may contemplate the Ranger in the future.

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Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:57 am
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how much does one of those things caust

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Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:54 pm
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Sounds like there is some interest, questions and issues for debate. Rather than trying to answer a lot questions on this thread, please see my writeup with a bunch of pictures on another website that will answer most of those questions.

http://www.FORDification.com/torque-splitter.htm

I'll come back here in a few days and join the dialog- answer more questions etc.
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This is very intersesting. I also have a Bronco and was thinking about a gear splitter for highway travel. Broncr If you have a link to the website for the splitter you used, could you post it. And if you don't mind, how much was the unit and does it improve your road travel much? Thanks
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'Sorry for the delay - I was out on a remote well, and for some reason, couldn't post replies!

I believe you can go to the GV site @ www.gearvendors.com. I got mine for ~$2700, just before a planned price increase ( to offset a gear upgrade dealing with the super-torque diesel stuff) . Then there was another ~$125 - to shorten the rear driveshaft.

IF you can find a used one WITH (!!!) the right adapter, you can save some $$$. GV will rebuild ANY of their units for ~1/3 of the current price. A new adapter was running ~ $600, so you have to do a little homework to determine what's the best "deal".

When I was looking, GV's were running about $1000-$1500 on Ebay. Add $800 for a rebuild ( worst case) and $600 for the right adapter - and you end up in the ballpark price of a new one... Find a GOOD one, WITH the right adapter, and you can end up WAY ahead!!!

Here in the Rockies, having 3 extra gear options is always nice ( the pump in the GV won't spin fast enough for 1st/over.) I use 3/O & 4/O every time!!! (The 3/0 is like a 10% "under" of ther regular 4th gear).

I 'spose I should admit, though, I just leased a "road goat" - mostly for the auto/OD/cruise control. Work had me piling TOO many miles on my lil mule, and it doesn't have cruise...

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I know what a "Road Floater" is, but what is a "Road Goat"? and how do you like it?


Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:37 pm
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It's a name I made up. In this case, a Toyoter 4 Runner. Work requires that I have reliable transportation, and since I've never found any ONE vehicle that was absolutely reliable, having a second seemed the logical choice ( I know, it also doubles the chance that something will go wrong :roll: ).

I got a bent six, RWD/4WD, 5 spd auto w/cruise - pretty much the base model SR5. It's adequate... kind of a slimmed down, modern version of the lil mule. It also allows me to work on the mule, without the pressure of having to have it back up & running within "whatever" time limits.

I'm getting ready to pull the mule in, and give 'er that fresh block that I've been working on recently. If I don't get it done on time, oh well - "gitup, lil goat!" :)

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Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:13 am
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The gearvendor is a really good unit but I don't think they make one to fit old transmissions like mine. My transmission is a 1965 NP435 and I contacted them to find out - answer - NO. Even if they did have one that fit, it would be near $3000. So, the only other good option that I could find was the Advance Adapters Ranger Overdrive. It works great, I like it a lot.


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Do you tend to shift it once, each time you "go through" the gears? I was really tempted to get the Ranger. The main reason I didn't was because of the extra installation work - moving the tranny & T-case back ( & shifter holes), along with the tranny mount. That, and the fact that I was ONLY looking for hi-way overdrive. I probably 4 wheel less than 1% of the time.

The extra "gear jamming" actually sounded kinda fun! And having an extra set of gears in both LOW & HIGH range, in 4X4 OR 4X2 - the Ranger was really appealing. If I did more 4 wheelin, I'd have most likely gone with it!!!

Another thing - the GV is quite long - my final rear shaft length is pretty short - I had to have almost half of it cut off. The Bronco has such a short wheelbase/drivehaft to begin with, there was some concern that it might end up TOO short. IIRC, it's now just a tad over 24", but hasn't given me any problems. I have the invoice here - dated Feb. '05 - almost a year, & so far, so good :D .

IIRC, the Ranger only reduces the rear shaft by ~7.25" ( & lengthen the front , the same - for 4X4's). Definitely something to consider!

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One reason the Ranger is so compact is that it sees only engine torque. The GV unit is located on the output of the tranny so it sees the torque multiplication of the lower gears. This nesessitates that it be signifigantly more robust.

I have often thought that the best possible drivetrain for a 2WD F150 consisted of a T-19 CR box mounted behind a Ranger. The ratios are much closer and more usable than with the ZF and the entire assembly is as close to bulletproof as can be. In that arrangement, you'd only shift the Ranger once between 1st and 1st/over or between 4th and 4th/over. With a WR box like the NP, splitting the gears makes a lot of sense.


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rmt, the AA unit is reputed to be noisey in OD, and the AA folks themselves warned me that there would be substantial gear noise. I've ridden in a F250 with one of these, and it had gear whine.
I thought the GV was available to fit T18, t19, and NP435 as well. I'll have to check into it again.
Another OD I've considered is the unit from US Gear, but for some reason it is not available for any of the Ford HD truck 4 spds.

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"...the AA unit is reputed to be noisey in OD, and the AA folks themselves warned me that there would be substantial gear noise."

Well I can tell you the one I have is noisy. The literature available at the time made no mention of this fact. When I called them about it after completing my installation, they said their test dyno had been down for some time and that maybe mine may have been a little more noisy than most. Also not to worry it wasn't going to break or sieze up or anything. Of course I was already fully committed by that point so I never did anything about it (except try a variety of oils), but it still irks me. For a work truck like mine it's tolerable but barely. 4WD would probably be OK too but I would never put one in a cruiser if they haven't got the gear noise down. Even then (early 90's) I paid something like $1500 for it, I expected more. Gearboxes have been quiet for decades, there's no reason theirs shouldn't be as well. I haven't tried synthetic gear oil in it yet, that might help.

Personally with the NP435 I usually start in 2nd, shift to 3rd, 3rd over, 4th, 4th over. I can also start in 2nd over but it adds an extra shift and really isn't worth it most of the time. 3rd over is a great gear. Shifting gears in reverse will usually get a rise out of people. All in all I like everything about the setup, except the fact it's not quiet. I'm going GearVendors on the next incarnation.

I understand the US Gear unit is slow shifting, kind of tricky to learn how to use. They come right out and say so. But apparently not that hard to learn.

Edit: By the way shortbed, I lived in Marysville when I put the Ranger in my truck. Out on the res, when leases were still cheap. (You own the house and buildings but you lease the land from the BIA, aka the Feds. If the money went to the Tulalips they would all be millionaires. For those who don't know , many nice Puget Sound beaches out there.) We lived out at Hermosa Point for over ten years, Granite Falls before that. When I built my engine my first test was to go up Getchell Hill, something I had done in my pickup hundreds of times, usually shifting to second (with the three speed) somewhere near the top. With the soupy 300 I could fairly fly up, accelerating the whole way if I wanted. I went up the first time very early one Saturday morning with open headers on my way out to Airport Welding in Snohomish to get my exhaust done. A real eye and ear opener. I just had to step on it. All I could say was WOW.


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The GV IS fairly quiet, & yes, a bit tricky on the shift. The T-19 makes more noise than the GV. The typical trunk tranny whine. It's only slow shifting in 2nd to 2/O, because the pump isn't spinning fast enough. 3rd over is a real plus - something like a 10% under 4th gear, which is great for pulling hills. 3rd & 4th over shifts are as quick as I am. Same with down shifting in any of the 3.

Once you learn to treat the GV button like a gear shift (instead of a push button), it gets smoother. It was a bit tough, learning the in's & out's, while mountain driving. I missed a few shifts, and had to start over more than once.

It took some time to learn to hold the gas down, while half-clutching, for a downshift. Now it's second nature (most of the time). The "thud" from the GV is a stern reminder, when the shift is done improperly. A really smooth downshift feels just like an automatic, and still raises an inner smile.

I recently changed the oil, after the recommended interval, and the shifting improved noticeably. It's even better than when it was new, now that the clutches are "worn in" a bit. It was a bit "grabby" at first - though I didn't know any better.

I'd still do it again, given the same circumstances.

Edit: I've run through the gears 1st - 2nd - (slight pause) 2nd/over - 3rd - 3rd/over - 4th - 4th/over, and back down, many times. With the Gear Vendors, it's really quite easy, except for a little over rev in 2nd to get to 2/0. (I usually go 1-2-3-3/0-4-4/0)

If you want or need 6 or 7 gears, I think you'd be very pleased with the Gear Vendors!

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I may have been incorrect with my previous comment about GV not having a OD unit to fit my NP 435, it might have been US Gear I was thinking of. Anyway, both of those ODs are a lot more $ and it was not obvious if they made something to fit my truck.
Regarding Ranger OD gear noise, my Ranger OD only makes slightly more noise in OD than direct. It's barely noticable and not any problem for me. I'm surprised to hear that Ranger ODs are considered to be noisy.
I agree with rmt about the shifting sequence. It seems like 3OD comes in handy for around-town driving quite often otherwise, I mainly like 4OD for highway cruising.
The upshifting and downshifting procedure took some practice to make it smooth. I've found that...
If you're in 4 direct and want to downshift to 3OD, it works best to (push in the clutch) shift the Ranger to OD and then move the trans to 3rd - not the otherway around. Similar for an upshift.
I've had a question about whether the Ranger OD will shift without depressing the clutch. I have not tryed it. Anyone done that???

rmt,
It seems like a lot of people pass through Marysville WA at some point in time. It's a nice town. We live just above the Sunnyside neighborhood a half mile south of SR528 (64th St). Getchell hill (84th) is still the same, but new homes are being built all the way up to Hwy 9 and the road will probably get rebuilt soon. It is indeed one of the steepest hills in town. I don't know how long ago you lived here, but things are-a-changing. The Tulalips are threatening to not renew leases for a bunch of homes on Mission Beach (I think) and people out there are #%issed. They have a major huge new casino and an retail outlet mall, Home Depot and Wal Mart on I5. Boom City is still going strong - that's a blast - literally. We've lived here almost 14 years but I grew up in Tucson AZ. That's where I got my truck - in about 1972 - and couldn't let go of it.


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It is good to hear that AA has gotten the Ranger quieter. Maybe I could send mine back in to them and have them go through it with today's methods. It is so noisy to actually be kind of embarrassing and always has been.

I always shift the transmission first then the OD. I think it's just a matter of preference. I remember when I first got the OD that it was quickly obvious you needed to make a habit of whichever way you were going to shift, and stick with it. Big risk of over-revving otherwise. I haven't tried shifting the Ranger without the clutch (they say not to, but not why) although I do it regularly on the transmission. edit: Actually I think I may have tried it once, wouldn't go, and remembering their caution didn't try any further.

ShortBed, I was born in Everett, graduated EHS in 1971, started working and hanging around Marysville right after that. Now that I think it about I started working north of Marysville in the strawberry fields when I was 8 years old, so 1961. Anywhere north of 88th (cemetery) was pasture and strawberry fields, right out to Highway 99. (All the strawberry farmers turned into real estate tycoons.)

Even south of 88th was not greatly developed. Downtown was downtown, 4th and State, for a block or two each way. East of town, just a few blocks from State Street, was also pasture. (A true Marysville resident knows it is actually State AVENUE, but also knows no one ever calls it that. Maybe people do now.) There was about six houses out on Sunnyside and they were all very old. Getchell Hill was not in town, or even close.

While on the res we lived a few blocks from Boom City. People just wouldn't understand. Left in 1994, even then Mryvl was growing alarmingly, great for a cabinet shop though. Upon returning for a visit a couple years ago, I literally could hardly recognize the place.

I was friends with an older guy who had built a house years before. His wife didn't like living out in the sticks so far from town. They still live there, 3 or 4 blocks from State Street - on Grove.


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Mr. rmt,
If you graduated HS in 71, your about the same age as me - (50ish - right?). I could reminisce like that about Tucson Az where I grew up, and how much things have changed - Urban sprawl! Keep in mind, WA State has a Growth Management Act (since about 1991) and that pretty much but the brakes on urban sprawl. Marysville (all WA cities) has a definite boundary for urban growth and everything outside that limit will stay rural. The population is now about 32,000 and still growing fast. Lake Stevens is getting kind of aggresive and trying to horn-in on Marysville growth area on the SE corner (Soper Hill at Hwy 9). But the Snohomish Co Council told Lake Stevens to back off. Anyway, I think you will find that a lot of familiar rural places around the fringes of Marysville will stay the same. Like Berringers Farm, the old farms along Sunnyside Rd., the rural area east of Hwy 9 etc. Everything inside the urban growth area is going to change - a lot in most cases. That's kind of tough on the folks that settled here 20 or 30 or more years ago. Among other new businesses, a new Harley Davidson dealership is under construction near Smokey Pt. It's going to be one of the biggest in the US. Everyones pretty excited. My neighbor just moved to Florida this past summer. I've not kept in touch with him, but I suspect the hurricanes have been a problem for him, he's a real estate agent.


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