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Postby Hemiman » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:08 pm

Can any of you folks look up a Ford part number for me?

It's an AU or export head for a 300 I-6. Part No F3TE6049EB.

It's a real cross flow 12 port head!

I've seen photo's and the 300's head gasket is a perfect match. All the threaded bolt holes on the head are metric.

I've got photo's, can't figure out how to post them.

Thanks for the help.
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Postby optikal illushun » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:33 pm

:shock: pics pics!

upload them to an image host, like photobucket, and copy the last set of text under the pic. the one that begins with the
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Postby ARIC1979 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:08 pm

The ID # does not cross.
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Postby Asa » Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:31 pm

photobucket works
i've been using imageshack.us lately though, you don't have to sign up and the file size is a lot bigger
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Postby 82F100SWB » Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:54 pm

If all else fails, e-mail them to me, F100swb at sympatico.ca
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Postby Hemiman » Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:09 pm

F-100,

I sent the photo's to your E-mail. Please post them for the other good folks here.

Thanks!
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Postby 82F100SWB » Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:38 pm

Very interesting, I left them full sized due to the rather large interest in these heads:
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Looks to be the same as FTF's heads, exhaust ports are shaped the same.
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Postby rhetor » Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:37 pm

Good luck finding the other one.

I think FTF has one of two..?
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Postby Guest » Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:47 pm

You scored big time!!!
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Postby SuperMag » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:10 pm

I like the price scratched
on the side under the part
number... $445.

Where do I get mine?

Although that head is a mixed blessing; that's a FI head--
look at the shrouding on the valves!
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Postby optikal illushun » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:23 pm

$445 id buy one :shock:
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Postby StrangeRanger » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:38 pm

The spark plugs were moved to the opposite side of the head to make room for the intake ports to squeeze between the pushrod holes. That leaves plenty of room for the exhaust ports on the right hand side, so why are the exhaust ports so small and oddly shaped? Is there something very unusual in the revised routing of the water jackets that forced this?

Put me down for my $445 head as well
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Re: Ford 300 Cross Flow Head

Postby Yakk » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:20 pm

Hemiman wrote:It's an AU or export head for a 300 I-6. Part No F3TE6049EB.


F3 = 1993
Interesting
Is that a part # or the engineering #, I wonder?

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Postby Fred » Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:51 pm

Hemiman do you have this head or just the pictures of it?
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Postby Hemiman » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:40 am

No, it's not mine, (yet). I've been working on an engine swap using a Vortec 4200, (yes I know, a Chevy). One of the guys I contacted about some machine work mentioned that he had SOME Ford 300 cross flow heads. Said they were exports. My interest in talking about machine work quickly changed to the Ford heads. He sent me the photos and the part numbers. I'm going to call him today about pricing, (doubt it's $445.00)

I'll keep you posted.
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Postby SuperMag » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:55 am

Do that. :nod: :thumbup:
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Postby Guest » Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:36 am

...or if you can, find out where he got them from. If we could only trace back where the pattern is and convince them to allow us to have a couple dozen cast.... :shock:
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Postby rancherlee » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:09 pm

boy those ports/chamber are modeled after the 3.8L V6 heads. I'd be up for a cross flow like that, VERY easy to build a turbo manifold for that baby!!!!
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Postby optikal illushun » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:34 pm

anyone know if these heads require special intake/exhaust manifolds or plumbing? :D
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Postby StrangeRanger » Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:05 pm

The manifold mounting flanges appear to match the stock ones but the exhaust ports are very, very different.
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Postby Guest » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:37 pm

Working at a very large Ford Truck dealership in parts, I'm gonna start poking around. The number is an engineering number.

F3 is a '93 number as stated
TE is a pre-fix for a light truck part
6049 is the basic number for a cylinder head
EB is the revision suffix


a current service part number would likely start with F3TZ.... I have alot of resources to track down parts across the country in Ford/Lincoln dealerships and wharehouses. I'll see what I can find.
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Postby ARIC1979 » Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:19 pm

Allready tryed. No luck. Maybe an overseas ford dealer could get us a
part number and I could call ford and see if there are any over here in
the states. I also work at a ford dealer.
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Postby fastback69 » Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:57 pm

I sent an email to Strapp Ford parts in Australia and the parts guy said it wasn't a valid p/n. I just replied with a pic, the one where you can see the number.
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Postby Colonel Flashman » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:48 am

Please keep us informed as to availability & price.
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Postby Hemiman » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:14 am

I should be hearing back today about these heads. Should have a price for you. Also, we're trying to find the origin of these heads. We think they came from Australia or Newzealand. We're trying to get to the bottom of the part number also.
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Postby 82F100SWB » Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:25 am

Since it looks to be the same as FTF's head, it's probably a Ford US expiremental unit. But, it being in .au makes things interesting...
Quite frankly, I haven't got a clue where it came from. LOL
Maybe some day I should find mine and actually open the box....
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Postby THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:41 am

Do NOT use that orange head gasket - it has no provision for rocker shaft oiling.
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Postby fastback69 » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:40 pm

Hemiman, I emailed Strapp Ford in Australia the part number and he couldn't find it either. He wanted to know what vehicle it came from and I told him some possibilities. I can post the email correspondance if you'd like. How many heads are there because I would give ol' lefty for one.
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Postby addo » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:50 pm

I don't believe it's Australian in origin. Here's why:

The mainstay of consumer Ford F-truck purchases here have a V-8. Why try to change the status quo? (Who remembers New Coke? :lol: ) Nor have I heard of such a motor part here at all. And why cast a specialised head in Australia for a shortblock made in the US and imported? You'd prototype the whole standard motor here first.

Most Ford Oz P/N are prefixed by "AR"or the model code - like EA, BA etc. This one isn't. If it were "ARF3..." I'd tend to concur on origin.

The casting externally looks pretty ordinary. I'd expect better from Ford here, at least for a prototype.

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Postby Hemiman » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:55 pm

OK, I've got the info on these heads finally! They're the expierimental UPS heads. They're designed for EFI applications. All of the heads he has are bare, (no valves, rockers, or rocker covers). He has 3 now with about 3 more on the way. Then that's the end of them as far as he knows.

Now for the big question. How much?

He only wants $700.oo + shipping, (he's in California).

Not a bad deal. I'll be taking one.

Let me know if any of you are interested, and I'll put you in touch with him.

Thanks for your patience.
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Postby fastback69 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:05 pm

Ooh, ooh, I want one. Where do I sign?

Send the info to brewer69@hiwaay.net, please.
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Postby J.R. » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:42 pm

IIRC the Ford/UPS/Texaco(!) joint BB6 development project of the 1980s was looking to come up with an engine configuration (initially for UPS applications, of course) that would run on just about any available (cheap) fuel: from kerosene-to-gasoline, or convertible to LP/CNG, ie. the ultimate flexible-fuel medium-duty commercial vehicle powerplant. Supposedly it was to use long-life spark plugs with these fuels.

I wonder what stage in that aborted project these heads represent. Again, IIRC, those project engines at some point were being considered for turbocharging. Seems like that exhaust port configuration would be very poor for turbos, unless they were designed as a built-in limiter to prevent over-revving(?).

Very interesting. Is one of these going off to an aluminum head manufacturer, to serve as a model?

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Postby Colonel Flashman » Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:09 pm

I'll take one, please pass the info via P.M. how to contact him!!!!!
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Postby BIGBLOCKCAPRI460 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:58 pm

i hear the casting is very thin by the valves
there were some problems with craking by
the valve seats
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Postby Guest » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:21 am

I am very interested. Please email me more:

d_kent@umail.ucsb.edu

Thanks!!!
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Postby super4ord » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:07 am

Hemiman,

Please send me info also, to super4ords@cox.net. I am very interested in purchasing one of these too. Thank you!

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Postby Thad » Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:03 pm

Taking a critical look at this crossflow head raises the question.

"Does it flow better than the stock head?"

"Better when comparing both with SBC size valves?"

"Can it be ported to match a ported standard head?"

The crossflow intake track has to dodge the pushrods, the stocker does not. In fact, the standard head port tracks are better than most and as just about as good as any. The right size valves make an enormous difference.

What do you think ? (jump in FTF put us straight)

All I can see in this crossflow is the convinance of having the intake and exhaust on opposite side. Easier mounting of a turbo is open to opinions.

Not saying a properly designed crossflow would not be a great improvement. It would, but IMHO "this ain't it"
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Postby THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:25 pm

I'll tell you what I know about this head:

1. It was not designed for a multi-fuel UPS head. It was designed because Ford was having high injector warranty because the injectors were so close to the exhaust manifolds that they cooked when a hot engine was shut off. Ford ultimately put a squirrel cage blower and manifolding on the injectors using the U-flow head instead to solve the problem.

Oh, and then the idiots came out with a V6 truck engine. Ho Humm.

2. In their stock state the exhaust side is a bunch better than the Uflow but the intake is not that great...


...which leads to

3. Due to a design flaw there is not enough iron behind the valve seats to install larger valves. If you reach into the bannana cooling holes at the rear of the head with your pinky finger you can gage what I am talking about. Heads I've measured have only .080" thickness in this critical area, with stock 1.78 valves.

So if you are awaiting the coming Messiah OF BB6 heads I am sorry to report that this ain't it.

But there is good news. Earlier versions of this prototype, built by performance guru CJ Batten had bigger ports and valves which, when extensively modified (trust me, extensively) have the potential to make 500 HP. As far as I know most of these earlier prototypes got scrapped but a few may have survived to turn up at swap meets, etc. The easiest way to recognize these early prototypes at a glance is that they have ROUND exhaust ports (which actually flow a lot less than the better later D-ports) and skinny TALL intake ports, like an FE Ford V8 or LS1 GM. That head would make a much better candidate for an aftermarket performance piece, although due to shrinkage rates it could not be directly traced for an aluminum head. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade but I don't want you to spend cash unwisely.

The head pictured is a nice looking piece - it just falls a little short. But wouldn't it look good in an early vintage sprint car with injectors sticking thru the hood on one side and a big tapered upswept stainless exhaust system on the opposite side?
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Postby Hemiman » Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:49 pm

"Nice looking, a little short".

Is this compared to a stock 300 or a ported one with big valves.

How would it stack up against a stock head, all else being the same on the engine?

Can it support 300HP with good intake mani and exhaust?

Could it go to 350HP with cam and other mods?

How much work do you need to do on a stock head to surpass this one.

What type of rockers, vavles, and springs does it use? Are they stock Ford parts?

I've got a million more questions, but I don't want to take too much of your time.
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Postby Hemiman » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:09 pm

OK guys,

Here's where you can get these heads.

Jerry Weigt has them. He's a real stand-up guy. You guys who also frequent www.inliners.org probably know him.

While he's a Chevy guy, he's a lover af all in line engins. He's also responsible for the CNC programing used to make the Wayne aluminum Hemi Head that the 292 Chevy guys now have availible.

He's given me permission to post his E-Mail address.

weigt@sbcglobal.net

Send him an E-Mail, he may take a day or two to reply, but he will.

PS. FTF, Jerry would like to talk to you about setting up this head. He's useing one on his wife's 300 powered Falcon, and would like to pick your brain alittle.
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Postby Hemiman » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:49 pm

Has anyone contacted Jerry about these heads?

Also, Greg (FTF), Jerry would like to talk to you about the proper setup for these crossflow heads.
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Postby Guest » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:30 pm

I emailed him the day you posted his email. I never received a response.
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Postby Hemiman » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:15 pm

Have'nt been doing any Ford stuff lately, but I just got off the phone with Jerry. He's doing the flywheel for my Vortec 4200. Asked him if he ever got any E-mails about these heads. He said he haden't received any, but that they had undergone an E-mail change @ that time and there may have been some kinks.

Anyhow, there seems to be some interest in a cross flow 300 head here. Try the posted E-mail again.

weight@sbcglobal.net.

Or call him directly @ 530-795-0224

Jerry's a real good guy with al ove for all engines INLINE.

Thanks,

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Postby 63merc » Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:12 pm

LoL typo city some1 dropped an [h]

very interesting heads tho
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Postby Hemiman » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:22 am

LOL!

It's even worse than you thought.

THE CORRECT E-MAIL IS:

weigts@sbcglobal.net

Sorry for all the confusion

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