Has anyone ever managed to fit a CLUTCH FAN no a 65 mustanng

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Clutch fan for a 1964-66, 6 cylinder mustang???

Amazon sells the Hayden 2710 "clutch" saying it will fit but the Hayden part specifications say it is about 3" long.

The space available is slightly more than 2.75" from the water pump to the radiator.
 
Here is some PM info between Frankenstang and myself. In the end. I just kept my 6 cyl. AC fan and shroud. But, I would try and find the FC28 if you want to try it.



Re: thermostatic fan clutch

Sent: Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:01 pm
by 65coupei6

Thank you for the information. I will probably try the fan clutch install this winter. From what I have read they do not last long when using a heavy fan. Since they were made for a Jag plastic fan. I am trying to locate a TRW FC28 which
is supposed to be exactly the same but stronger. Problem is they have been disco'ed.

Re: thermostatic fan clutch

Sent: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:09 pm
by Frankenstang

Hey Marco,
No sir I haven't. The plan became installing it with AC before this summer, but the budget didn't come together. I'm determined to get in installed before this fall, if nothing else for a test.

Want to see the HP gain if any is noticeable with this mod and before the AC hp loss anyway, and see if it brings normal op temps up during the winter...with a 195* stat, she still runs too cold even in Texas winters.

I did a lot of research on the big block guys using that jaguar clutch and I already picked up the flex-a-lite clutch type fan to go with it, but the parts are currently still sitting on the shelf.

Just thinking, and I forget which diameter flex-a-lite fan I chose [I'm sure you probably know this is just a brand name and not a 'flex' fan], but it was somewhat limited by the narrowness of the radiator and the top hose location...it does have a nice pitch to it though (I can double check the size on it if you want). I don't anticipate any problems with all the measuring I did [famous last words :LOL: ], but I'll post an update when it finally gets installed.
Robert
 
It seems if I did manage to find a clutch fan that fits I would need to use a plastic fan with it, or the clutch will wear out soon. I definitely don't want to see ant plastic parts under the hood of a classic.
 
toadpad":1un5wnza said:
It seems if I did manage to find a clutch fan that fits I would need to use a plastic fan with it, or the clutch will wear out soon. I definitely don't want to see ant plastic parts under the hood of a classic.
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You can relax and not be constrained in your thinking.


With respect, thats not true, its rubbish. Fords fan clutches are just fine. My Aussie Falcon 250 had the US designed 3.3 fan clutch with a 4.5" long nose pump. And a steel fan. Afer 112000 miles, it ran just fine.

All later 1978 to 1983 B,L, T C, and X codes in 200 or 250 engines had fan clutches with steel fans. The 1978 onwards 3.3/200 went to the 4.1/250 length water pump to use a common fan clutch and pulley size. Early on, the pumps for all 144/170/200's were about 4" long.


As long as you use the later 114 mm (4.5") snout long 3.3 water pump, you can fit the Fox 3.3 fan clutch on your Mustang. It saves about 3 hp over the normal fan. And it works fine with the steel fan.
 
xctasy":1vdn4gua said:
toadpad":1vdn4gua said:
As long as you use the later 114 mm (4.5") snout long 3.3 water pump, you can fit the Fox 3.3 fan clutch on your Mustang.
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Are you saying there is a water pump with a shorter shaft ???

Ware can I find the shorter water pump? and or what car did it originally go on???
 
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xctasy":1jcxt57i said:
The later model Dual or Triple pulley water pumps for Fox 3.3's ran the same length water pump as the XW-XF, 4-1/2" (or 114 mm), and the US 250. .

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This ^ is rickwrench's website photo of the later Fox water pump on the left, verses the earlier Round body 144/170/200 water pump
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Taxi package might be my twin belt drive to the alternator/three belt drive from pulley system. Some fan clutches might not fit, but you just gotta check.






Short 4" pump on allsmall sixes till 1978, then long 4-1/2" pump from 1978 to 1983

Aussie Fords used them too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Viscous-Clutch- ... oq&vxp=mtr

Hayden make one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hayden-Automoti ... q1&vxp=mtr

Bingo. Suits what you have.





1987 GMC Caballero

4.3L

1986 GMC Caballero

4.3L

1983 Ford Fairmont

3.3L

1983 Ford LTD

3.3L

1983 Mercury Marquis

3.3L Without Police Package

1983 Mercury Zephyr

3.3L Without Taxi Package

1982 Ford Fairmont

3.3L

1982 Ford Mustang

3.3L

1982 Ford Thunderbird

3.3L

1982 Mercury Capri

3.3L

1982 Mercury Cougar

3.3L

1982 Mercury Zephyr

3.3L Without Taxi Package

1981 Ford Fairmont

3.3L

1981 Ford Mustang

3.3L

1981 Ford Thunderbird

3.3L

1981 Mercury Capri

3.3L

1981 Mercury Cougar

3.3L

1981 Mercury Zephyr

3.3L Without Taxi Package

1980 Ford Fairmont

3.3L

1980 Ford Mustang

3.3L

1980 Ford Thunderbird

3.3L

1980 Mercury Capri

3.3L

1980 Mercury Cougar

3.3L

1980 Mercury Zephyr

3.3L Without Taxi Package

1979 Chevy Corvette
1979 Ford Fairmont

3.3L

1979 Ford Mustang

3.3L

1979 Mercury Capri

3.3L

1979 Mercury Zephyr

3.3L Without Taxi Package

1978 Chevy Corvette
1978 Ford Fairmont

3.3L

1978 Ford LTD

7.5L

1978 Mercury Grand Marquis

7.5L

1978 Mercury Marquis

7.5L

1978 Mercury Zephyr

3.3L Without Taxi Package

1977 Chevy Corvette
1977 Ford LTD

7.5L

1977 Ford Ranchero

7.5L

1977 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1977 Mercury Grand Marquis

7.5L

1977 Mercury Marquis

7.5L

1977 Mercury Monarch

3.3L

1976 Chevy Corvette
1976 Ford Custom

7.5L

1976 Ford LTD

7.5L

1976 Ford Ranchero

7.5L

1976 Ford Thunderbird
1976 Ford Torino

7.5L

1976 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1976 Mercury Cougar

7.5L

1976 Mercury Grand Marquis

7.5L

1976 Mercury Marquis

7.5L

1976 Mercury Monarch

3.3L

1976 Mercury Montego

7.5L

1975 Chevy Corvette
1975 Ford Custom

7.5L

1975 Ford LTD

7.5L

1975 Ford Ranchero

7.5L

1975 Ford Thunderbird
1975 Ford Torino

7.5L

1975 Ford Gran Torino

6.6L

1975 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1975 Mercury Cougar

7.5L

1975 Mercury Grand Marquis

7.5L

1975 Mercury Marquis

7.5L

1975 Mercury Monarch

3.3L

1975 Mercury Montego

7.5L

1974 Chevy Corvette

5.7L

1974 Ford Country

7.5L

1974 Ford Custom

7.5L

1974 Ford E-series

3.9L With 17" Fan / With 18" Fan

1974 Ford Galaxie

7.5L

1974 Ford LTD

7.5L

1974 Ford Ranch Wagon

7.5L

1974 Ford Ranchero

7.5L

1974 Ford Thunderbird
1974 Ford Gran Torino / Torino

7.5L

1974 Mercury Colony Park

7.5L

1974 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1974 Mercury Cougar

7.5L

1974 Mercury Marquis

7.5L

1974 Mercury Montego

4.1L / 7.5L

1974 Mercury Monterey

7.5L

1973 Chevy Corvette

5.7L

1973 Ford Country

7.5L

1973 Ford Custom

7.5L

1973 Ford E-series

3.9L With 17" Fan / With 18" Fan

1973 Ford Galaxie

7.5L

1973 Ford LTD

7.5L

1973 Ford Ranch Wagon

7.5L

1973 Ford Thunderbird

7.5L

1973 Ford Torino

7.5L

1973 Mercury Colony Park

7.5L

1973 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1973 Mercury Cougar

7.5L

1973 Mercury Marquis

7.5L

1973 Mercury Montego

4.1L / 7.5L

1973 Mercury Monterey

7.5L

1972 Chevy Corvette

5.7L

1972 Ford Bronco

2.8L

1972 Ford Country

7.5L

1972 Ford E-series

3.9L With 17" Fan / With 18" Fan

1972 Ford LTD

7.5L

1972 Ford Thunderbird

7.5L

1972 Mercury Colony Park

7.5L

1972 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1972 Mercury Marquis

7.5L

1972 Mercury Montego

4.1L

1972 Mercury Monterey

7.5L

1971 Ford Bronco

2.8L

1971 Ford E-series

3.9L With 17" Fan / With 18" Fan

1971 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1971 Mercury Montego

4.1L

1970 Ford Bronco

2.8L

1970 Ford E-series

3.9L With 17" Fan / With 18" Fan

1970 Ford Fairlane

4.1L

1970 Mercury Montego

4.1L

1969 Chevy Corvette

7.0L

1969 Ford Bronco

2.8L

1969 Ford E-series

3.9L With 17" Fan / With 18" Fan

1969 Ford Fairlane

4.1L

1969 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1969 Mercury Montego

4.1L

1968 Chevy Corvette
1968 Ford Bronco

2.8L

1968 Ford E-series

2.8L With 17" Fan

1968 Ford E-series

3.9L With 17" Fan / With 18" Fan

1968 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1967 Chevy Corvette
1967 Ford Bronco

2.8L

1967 Ford Club Wagon

2.8L With 17" Fan

1967 Ford Country

2.8L

1967 Ford E-series

2.8L With 17" Fan

1967 Ford P-100
1967 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1966 Chevy Corvette
1966 Ford Bronco

2.8L

1966 Ford Club Wagon

2.8L With 17" Fan

1966 Ford Country

2.8L

1966 Ford E-series

2.8L With 17" Fan

1966 Ford P-100
1966 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1965 Chevy Bel Air

3.8L

1965 Chevy Biscayne

3.8L

1965 Chevy Corvette
1965 Chevy Impala

3.8L

1965 Ford Club Wagon

2.8L With 17" Fan

1965 Ford Country

2.8L

1965 Ford E-series

2.8L With 17" Fan

1965 Ford P-100
1965 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1964 Chevy Corvette
1964 Ford Club Wagon

2.8L With 17" Fan

1964 Ford Country

2.8L

1964 Ford E-series

2.8L With 17" Fan

1964 Mercury Comet

3.3L

1963 Chevy Corvette
1963 Ford Club Wagon

2.8L With 17" Fan

1963 Ford Country

2.8L

1963 Ford E-series

2.8L With 17" Fan

1962 Chevy Corvette
1962 Ford Club Wagon

2.8L

1962 Ford Country

2.8L

1962 Ford E-series

2.8L

1961 Chevy Corvette
1960 Chevy Corvette
1959 Chevy Corvette

CARB

1958 Chevy Corvette
1957 Chevy Corvette
1956 Chevy Corvette
1955 Chevy Corvette

4.3L
 
I wonder the difference of HP loss from a thermo fan compared to just electric fan or fans??
 
A fan clutch is a 2.5 hp to 6.5 hp loss at the 94.5 to 102 hp level. Ford reported max power in SAE Net or DIN Net, with locked or unlocked fan clutch readings.

Electric fan is just a battery tax, which then requires a heavier duty alternator to increase the power to drive the fan. Each part isn't 100% efficient, and an alternator might consume 8 hp, but deliver 6 hp to the fan, of which it only makes the equivalent of 4 hp of a conventional locked fans energy.

A 15 amp electric fan can make 6 hp of cooling, but is powered off an 80 to 150 Amp alternator which could consume 4 to 8 bhp off the engine

1982 Ford Taunus/Capri/Cortina/Granada was 98 hp DIN net with fan engaged, 102 hp with it freewheeling.

B code had a huge range of changes for 1980. The B code was listed at varying hp levels for 1981 and 1982, but the rating was with the fan engaged. About 6.5 hp differernt. 94.5 hp for 1980, but 91 hp locked. There were a vast range of other Fox Chassis ratings, but the sources I've seen seam to advocate at least 4 hp like in the Cortina.

Rating are listed here.

http://vintage.mitchell1.com/PClubData/ ... 816068.pdf

(Page 6 of 7 for B code stationary engine with locked fan, 88 hp SAE Net, but 94.5 hp in the Fox cars (180 publication info, the Granada wasn't a Fox car nor did it have a 200 in that year. Engine was certainly a T code for 1980, a B code thereafter until it was an X code in 1983).

Myriad of Hp ratings
http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/sho ... ence-Guide
 
It's been done. What you have to do is move the radiator forward on the 65-66 cars. The stock radiator mounting is to the rear of the support. If you cut slots in the top of the support brace you can slide the radiator mounts thru and drop the radiator down in front of the support, spacing it as far forward as the hood release. You can pick up the additional couple of inches you need for the fan clutch.

Your other option might be to use a shorter clutch. I haven't tried it, but the fan and clutch from a Datsun 260/280z (and many other Nissans) is pretty short and may be adaptable. The Nissan fan probably moves more air and makes less noise as well.
 
on the bronk some move the fan (replace w/electric sapping less hp) to the other (outside) of the "core support" ie just mount it to the same sheet'a metal but on the other side and - depending - get a 'push' rather than 'pul'l fan. The handier guys even put a thermostatic control on it by tapin a bung into the water neck/thermostat housing.
Doesn't sound like what you want but it's an idea some use for a sim. problem.
 
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