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by peeeot
Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:17 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 "performance" expectation management
Replies: 33
Views: 8138

Re: 223 "performance" expectation management

Last weekend I swapped in a rebuilt 1963 223 to replace the tired original. This engine has the silent lash cam which has 0.019” less lift than the normal 223 cam. It is bored 0.030”, otherwise totally stock. It came with standard rockers, not the silent lash rockers, and after some research I decid...
by peeeot
Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Silent lash valvetrain
Replies: 3
Views: 318

Re: Silent lash valvetrain

Ok, good! Do you have any idea what the rocker ratio is on the silent lash units? I am assuming since the cam lift is reduced the rockers must be higher ratio... plus they look longer.
by peeeot
Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Silent lash valvetrain
Replies: 3
Views: 318

Silent lash valvetrain

Which components are required to complete a silent lash valvetrain? I know that the camshaft and rockers are unique—what about the pushrods, rocker shaft, and shaft supports?

Will the silent lash rockers fit under the 1960 valve cover?
by peeeot
Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 1954-1964 223 I6 Ford Fairlane,Galaxie and F
Replies: 6
Views: 358

Re: 1954-1964 223 I6 Ford Fairlane,Galaxie and F

That air cleaner only works with the Holley 1904 and 1960. The 1100 used a different air cleaner. The flange diameter on the 1904/1960 is about 2.75” at the outermost point and 2” inside.
by peeeot
Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:22 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Valve adjustment frequency and lead additive
Replies: 3
Views: 475

Re: Valve adjustment frequency and lead additive

This is definitely valve recession. I pulled the engine and removed the cylinder head to find marked valve recession on all exhausts. Cylinders 3 and 4 are the worst; one of them is perhaps slightly below the combustion chamber surface. I haven’t removed any valves yet but obviously there will be so...
by peeeot
Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:55 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Valve adjustment frequency and lead additive
Replies: 3
Views: 475

Valve adjustment frequency and lead additive

On my 223, the valves need to be adjusted much more frequently than the 12k mile recommended interval. I am having to adjust them after a few thousand miles and finding that they are tight, not loose. The only explanation I can come up with for this is valve recession into the head. The head is orig...
by peeeot
Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: Turbo, Supercharger, and Nitrous
Topic: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase
Replies: 13
Views: 946

Re: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase

Those are good questions. I had a conversation with my wife yesterday about the future of the car this engine was intended for, and we aren’t planning to make it the “keeper.” So I’m not sure what I’m going to do with this engine now. Perhaps it would be best to pause this discussion until I have th...
by peeeot
Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: Turbo, Supercharger, and Nitrous
Topic: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase
Replies: 13
Views: 946

Re: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase

Pmuller9, I'm not completely clear on how the silent lash mechanism works. It seems like the hollow eccentric serves as a sort of spring that limits the force applied at the base circle to a minimum while maintaining zero lash. There is a lash spec, but it is set with the eccentric pushing the plung...
by peeeot
Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:21 am
Forum: Turbo, Supercharger, and Nitrous
Topic: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase
Replies: 13
Views: 946

Re: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase

The cam looks good to my eye. I don't see any flaws in the lobes, scuffing, pitting, or anything like that. The lift value of .258" is less than specified in the information I have. I am wondering whether this might be the special 61-64 passenger car "silent lash" cam, c1ae-6250-a. Th...
by peeeot
Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:09 pm
Forum: Turbo, Supercharger, and Nitrous
Topic: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase
Replies: 13
Views: 946

Re: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase

Here is the info I have gathered so far: The engine has been bored 0.030 oversize. Piston #1 is 0.0485" below the deck at TDC Intake lifter reaches 0.050" from base circle 13 degrees ATDC opening and 26 degrees ABDC closing. Centerline is at 110 degrees. Max lift is 0.258". Exhaust li...
by peeeot
Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:03 pm
Forum: Turbo, Supercharger, and Nitrous
Topic: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase
Replies: 13
Views: 946

Re: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase

Pmuller9, I will be happy to get you all the information you requested very soon. I do have a dial indicator and a degree wheel and was planning to fully check the cam to figure out exactly what’s in there. I also found some stock cam specs I can share if that’s helpful. The block is C3AE-AC so it’s...
by peeeot
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:19 pm
Forum: Turbo, Supercharger, and Nitrous
Topic: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase
Replies: 13
Views: 946

Re: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase

Thank you for your responses! I have read elsewhere on this forum and see that it’s possible to get way into the weeds with a turbo build. In my case, I would like to keep things simple. I have a 223 on an engine stand right now that I am tearing down to go through. As I put it back together, it wil...
by peeeot
Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:53 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 "performance" expectation management
Replies: 33
Views: 8138

Re: 223 "performance" expectation management

To investigate my slow launch, I started by confirming a good strong accelerator pump spray. I get some flow from the pump nozzle with even a very slight throttle movement so I think the accelerator pump is doing all it can. Next, I tried jetting up to a 70 from a 68. As before, my oxygen sensor rep...
by peeeot
Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:41 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: What to do with Exhaust
Replies: 9
Views: 3275

Re: What to do with Exhaust

Thank you for another informative response. Without readily available guidelines for optimizing a manifolded in-line six with single pipe, I am prepared to just leave some power on the table and keep the exhaust design simple. Constructing and altering the exhaust to try different setups is too time...
by peeeot
Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:32 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 "performance" expectation management
Replies: 33
Views: 8138

Re: 223 "performance" expectation management

I have just finished replacing all of the 1.75” exhaust pipe and a portion of the 2” with 2.25” with mandrel bends. I was able to do 2.25” straight off the manifold and took it to about the midpoint of the car. From there, I used an adapter to connect to the existing 2” pipe with stock-style muffler...
by peeeot
Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:27 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: What to do with Exhaust
Replies: 9
Views: 3275

Re: What to do with Exhaust

So your experience was that the turbo-style mufflers performed better than glasspacks overall? I read the article by Vizard and found some data from a muffler shootout published in Car Craft (https://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum/bangshift/tech-section/3202-some-muffler-test-info). One thing I find ...
by peeeot
Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:25 am
Forum: Turbo, Supercharger, and Nitrous
Topic: Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase
Replies: 13
Views: 946

Turbocharging the 223 for a “safe” increase

I have read an article from Hot Rod magazine ( http://www.corvairforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=545 ) where the valiant, corvair, and falcon received Paxton superchargers with 10+ pounds of boost with great success. What is particularly intriguing to me is that, for most of their tests, these engin...
by peeeot
Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:49 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: What to do with Exhaust
Replies: 9
Views: 3275

Re: What to do with Exhaust

I finally bought a 2.25" mandrel j-bend, some pipe and a new flange to replace my 1.75" head pipe. The inside diameter of the manifold, flange, and pipe are all 2-1/8", so it all fits together perfectly. At present, I am just replacing the undersized section of pipe, so I will clamp o...
by peeeot
Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:32 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Autolite 1100 Venturi Mod
Replies: 46
Views: 2989

Re: Autolite 1100 Venturi Mod

Creechn32, The concern with enlarging the Venturi too close to your throttle bore size of 1.4375” is not that you would lose velocity specifically, but that you would weaken the vacuum signal to the main fuel circuit, resulting in poor throttle response and fuel economy. The new insert you are makin...
by peeeot
Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:24 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Autolite 1100 Venturi Mod
Replies: 46
Views: 2989

Re: Autolite 1100 Venturi Mod

Creechn32, In order for a carburetor to work, there has to be a certain pressure difference between the inside bore of the carburetor where the fuel discharge nozzle is and atmospheric pressure outside of the carburetor. This pressure difference is what pushes the fuel into the airstream. A Venturi ...
by peeeot
Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:32 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Head gaskets and quench
Replies: 7
Views: 1213

Re: Head gaskets and quench

The NOS gasket is a beaded steel shim. Here is an example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1954-1964-FORD-223-ci-6-STEEL-CYLINDER-HEAD-GASKET-B7AZ6051/163273946710?epid=22024086999&hash=item2603e2b656:g:yuwAAOSwQt9bp5eE The shop manual says to apply a layer of sealer to it at installation. If the O...
by peeeot
Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:20 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Head gaskets and quench
Replies: 7
Views: 1213

Re: Head gaskets and quench

I didn’t realize it was possible to let the pistons go past zero deck! Good to know.

Do you think using an NOS head gasket would produce a reliable seal for a mildly warmed street car?
by peeeot
Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:22 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 "performance" expectation management
Replies: 33
Views: 8138

Re: 223 "performance" expectation management

Since last post, I changed out the 70 jet for a 68 and recurved the distributor for the significantly weaker vacuum signal generated by the Holley 1960 (due to its larger Venturi). The mixture looks better with the 68 because it shows lean at part throttle cruise and rich when the power valve opens ...
by peeeot
Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:12 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Head gaskets and quench
Replies: 7
Views: 1213

Head gaskets and quench

Elsewhere, it has been mentioned that 0.035-0.050 is a desireable target for quench, and that the current head gasket offerings are currently at least 0.025” thicker than the originals. Fel-pro publishes its MLS gasket thickness at more than 0.050”, and I just measured one I took off of a rebuilt 22...
by peeeot
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:54 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: What to do with Exhaust
Replies: 9
Views: 3275

Re: What to do with Exhaust

Those Fenton manifolds are ideal, but seem to be rather scarce these days. To bad they aren’t reproduced! I am planning to go with your suggestion of a mandrel-bend 2.25” single, at least to start with. I may have to dimple the pipe at the flange to accommodate the nuts. I found an article from Hotr...
by peeeot
Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:01 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: What to do with Exhaust
Replies: 9
Views: 3275

What to do with Exhaust

I need some insight from you folks with practical experience. My objective is to maximize efficiency and performance up to 4000 rpm; seat-of-pants feel is about as important as actual performance. My current exhaust is a single 1.75” pipe off the stock manifold. After about 2-3 feet it steps up to 2...
by peeeot
Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:26 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 "performance" expectation management
Replies: 33
Views: 8138

Re: 223 "performance" expectation management

I have a quick update. Installed the Holley 1960 carburetor. It was an Autoline “rebuilt” carb and required some extra work. The idle fuel restriction was partially clogged with the plug material they used when overhauling the main well assembly, so it wouldn’t idle until I removed their plug, clear...
by peeeot
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:58 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 "performance" expectation management
Replies: 33
Views: 8138

Re: 223 "performance" expectation management

Xctasy, thanks for another thorough response! So torque converter “multiplication” is just a word? Why do they make the claim that a torque converter multiplies while a plain fluid coupling does not? I get what you’re saying about it not being the same as a manual gear, just not really sure what it ...
by peeeot
Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:28 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 "performance" expectation management
Replies: 33
Views: 8138

Re: 223 "performance" expectation management

Xcstasy, I am not sure exactly what the torque multiplication of the Cruiseomatic converter is, but assuming a conservative value of 1.5, when I floor my Fairlane from a stop I calculate a total multiplication of 11.16 with a 2.40 first gear and 3.10 final drive. A stock 3-speed car has a total mult...
by peeeot
Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:49 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 performance build...questions!
Replies: 37
Views: 7674

Re: 223 performance build...questions!

I have just read through all of the hot rodding articles from the 60s posted in the small six forum, and I think your numbers seem pretty good! If a stock ‘67 200 Mustang with manual transmission was putting down 65 rwhp brand new, a 223 would probably have maxed out at 75 tops. You got 110 for at l...
by peeeot
Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:38 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Splitting the exhaust manifold
Replies: 1
Views: 1120

Splitting the exhaust manifold

Usually, inline six exhausts are split into two outlets with 123 and 456 grouped together. Due to the design of the stock manifold, I have been considering whether a 3-way split would be best, with 12 34 56 paired together and then brought together into a single pipe a few feet downstream. This woul...
by peeeot
Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:57 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: New Carb & Distributor
Replies: 2
Views: 1632

Re: New Carb & Distributor

CZLN6, I realize I'm pulling this one out of the grave at 12 years old (!), but since you made reference to the 1101 in this post I thought you might have an answer for me about the 1101 on 223s. I have seen several references across the internet to the 1101 being used on the 223 in 63 and 64. Other...
by peeeot
Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:35 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 "performance" expectation management
Replies: 33
Views: 8138

Re: 223 "performance" expectation management

Almost a year later, I am still thinking about making some improvements to the ol' six. I spent a lot if time comparing power to weight ratios of different vehicles and reading people's descriptions the effects of mods they made, trying to determine a target HP/torque and what I might have to do to ...
by peeeot
Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:04 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Holley 1904 for 262
Replies: 8
Views: 2524

Re: Holley 1904 for 262

The "weird" choke plate has a booster Venturi built into it. When the choke is open, it amplifies the vacuum signal to the fuel discharge nozzle. The 1904 is the only "modern" 1-bbl downdraft carb that LACKS a booster Venturi, to my knowledge. Carter YFs have a triple booster. Si...
by peeeot
Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:00 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: '61 223 in F250
Replies: 7
Views: 2301

Re: '61 223 in F250

In your original post you said you could see fuel flowing through the "main jet" at idle. Do you mean that you see fuel coming out of the brass tube (main nozzle) that protrudes through the gap in the choke plate in the narrow part of the Venturi? If so, or if you see any fuel coming out i...
by peeeot
Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:17 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Spark plug analysis
Replies: 2
Views: 1035

Re: Spark plug analysis

Any thoughts on the pink and yellow colors on the insulator?
by peeeot
Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:17 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Spark plug analysis
Replies: 2
Views: 1035

Spark plug analysis

I have been noticing some funny colors on my spark plug insulators for a while now. Attached are three photos from cylinder 1's plug: back, front, and front again after using a fine dremel wire brush on the insulator. I though it strange that the insulator turned silvery because I used the same wire...
by peeeot
Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:18 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Holley 1904 for 262
Replies: 8
Views: 2524

Re: Holley 1904 for 262

The one large carburetor with the "weird" choke plate he described is a 1960. Here is an illustration of the main fuel circuit found on the old car manual project: http://www.angelfire.com/d20/holley/H1960/VCarbHoll_H1960-005.jpg I have found they are available from a carburetor rebuilding...
by peeeot
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:02 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Holley 1904 for 262
Replies: 8
Views: 2524

Re: Holley 1904 for 262

I did some more digging yesterday and found some good info on this topic. First of all, Tim at Daytona Parts was very helpful. He has a lot of info about old Holley products and told me more in 30 minutes than scouring the internet for hours has yielded! Another helpful resource is this page: http:/...
by peeeot
Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:01 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Holley 1904 for 262
Replies: 8
Views: 2524

Re: Holley 1904 for 262

Thank you very much! This is the kind of info I'm after. Does the "large" throttle bore model use the same bolt spacing as the "small?" Which would the 223 have? I have been able to confirm that the 262 carbs had a spark control valve, so there that. In case it isn't clear, I'm t...
by peeeot
Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:48 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Holley 1904 for 262
Replies: 8
Views: 2524

Holley 1904 for 262

I have been looking at carburetor application listings and found that the 262 engine used a Holley 1904 carburetor in 1961-62. It appears the 240 and 300 may also have used a 1904 in some applications from 65-68. Does anyone know whether these 1904s were larger than what was used on the passenger ca...
by peeeot
Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:19 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Intake/exhaust gaskets
Replies: 3
Views: 1427

Intake/exhaust gaskets

I took my intake and exhaust off to free up the heat riser valve and address a suspected vacuum leak. I was surprised to find that the exhaust had no gasket or sealer evident at all, neither at the manifold-to-head surface nor at the intake-to-exhaust heat riser surface. Parts diagrams show the indi...
by peeeot
Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:20 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Engine wants a LOT of initial advance
Replies: 3
Views: 1479

Re: Engine wants a LOT of initial advance

Thanks for your thoughtful response! I installed the new vacuum advance yesterday, but before I did I checked the performance of the leaking unit to see how much advance I might have been losing. I teed in a gauge on the distributor vacuum line and used a dial back light. At 1000 rpm, 23* initial, v...
by peeeot
Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:15 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Engine wants a LOT of initial advance
Replies: 3
Views: 1479

Engine wants a LOT of initial advance

I am finding that I get the best overall idle quality (highest vacuum, smoothest) with initial advance over 30* BTDC. This is with a hot engine, and it has no difficulty starting with such extreme advance. I PROMISE I verified that the TDC mark on the damper is accurate within a couple of degrees. D...
by peeeot
Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:54 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Pulley Spacing
Replies: 4
Views: 1305

Re: Pulley Spacing

I just wanted to add that I would not recommend running the compressor off the water pump pulley like I did. Yes, the compressor did run, but I am pretty sure that the belt driving the water pump was slipping on the water pump pulley due to the added load of the compressor. I have sourced a bolt-on ...
by peeeot
Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:50 pm
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Cooling system upgrades when adding a/c
Replies: 6
Views: 2023

Re: Cooling system upgrades when adding a/c

I cant's believe that it has been nearly a year since I started this topic! Time flies. Turns out I am still having problems regulating engine temperature, especially on the highway, with or without a/c on. When I posted last, I had the a/c compressor driven BY the water pump. Now, I have a 2-sheave...
by peeeot
Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:25 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 compression ratio increase
Replies: 4
Views: 1254

Re: 223 compression ratio increase

I'm sorry, Felpro is the only brand I have seen for sale at the sites I usually use for parts. Here is a link to the Felpro site listing for the gasket: http://www.fme-cat.com/overlays/part-detail.aspx?brand=FL&PartNumber=7994%20PT-1&pt=Cylinder%20Head%20Gasket&lu=1960%20FORD%20FAIRLANE&...
by peeeot
Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:56 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: 223 compression ratio increase
Replies: 4
Views: 1254

223 compression ratio increase

I need to replace the head gasket on my 223 and am considering having the head milled while it is off to increase compression. It is my understanding that higher compression increases combustion efficiency, improving power, torque, and economy. I don't know what a good target would be--perhaps 9.0-9...
by peeeot
Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:05 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: Multi-carb hood clearance and a CFM question
Replies: 3
Views: 1221

Re: Multi-carb hood clearance and a CFM question

That makes sense about the volumetric efficiency. Larger Venturi area means less flow restriction, thus higher VE. I had a 57 and a 59 ford with the y-block; neither hood seemed as tight as the 60 but then neither car had the 6! If the downdraft carbs won't fit on the offy intake, I suppose I could ...
by peeeot
Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:58 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: AC, alternator and power steering brackets for 223.
Replies: 27
Views: 5184

Re: AC, alternator and power steering brackets for 223.

Looks very professional!

Where did you source a dual-sheave crank pulley?