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by Charlie Cheap
Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:46 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Stock fuel pump flow rate.
Replies: 9
Views: 481

Re: Stock fuel pump flow rate.

Ford designed the engine for climbing hills with people in the car. Most likely an ALTITUDE problem due to it getting very thin up there. Could be gas if tank was really low and pump sucking air. Just my 2 cents.
by Charlie Cheap
Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:19 pm
Forum: Buy, Sell, or Trade - Small Six
Topic: 1965 Mustang coupe
Replies: 0
Views: 34

1965 Mustang coupe

Too many projects and I have had this one the longest...25 years. Rebuilt 4 years ago with engine rebuild, suspension and interior mods, and did body work and paint. Engine bored .060" with valve job for today's ethanol. Owner is an ASE engine builder who installed an Autolite 2100 2 barrel wit...
by Charlie Cheap
Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:19 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Do we really need a modern ignition?
Replies: 44
Views: 1957

Re: Do we really need a modern ignition?

Billy, many tests have been done in real world situations, and with a points dizzy in proper tune, electronics does nothing for street driving at street RPM. That is not my old school thinking but actual testing. Distributors do NOT go bad after a few miles if they are good ones, and points go thous...
by Charlie Cheap
Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Do we really need a modern ignition?
Replies: 44
Views: 1957

Re: Do we really need a modern ignition?

In my previous post the first MSD number listed was HP (points vs HEI), but the other two were Torque (points vs factory HEI). The numbers are MSD numbers taken off the Hot Rod network on line. Remember, I am not making a case to move backward from a computer-controlled system to points, but showing...
by Charlie Cheap
Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:44 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Do we really need a modern ignition?
Replies: 44
Views: 1957

Re: Do we really need a modern ignition?

pmuller9, my statement about points is NOT that it is the best overall, but on the street we do not need a 100K volts to light the mixture. No doubt the electronics are better in modern computer-controlled engines, but the spark from points is inherently longer...up to about 4K rpm. MSD stands for M...
by Charlie Cheap
Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:05 am
Forum: Vintage Ford Sixes
Topic: What to do with Exhaust
Replies: 9
Views: 2664

Re: What to do with Exhaust

One thing I often see with six cylinder guys, is way too much carb and way too much exhaust for street use. Ford engineers designed our 6 for economy as the main objective. We want more power with out the loss of MPG, so we need to look at the total package. A 2 barrel works great if not too big. A ...
by Charlie Cheap
Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:32 am
Forum: Steering and Suspension
Topic: Swaying on interstate / steering tightens up coming off interstate
Replies: 16
Views: 527

Re: Swaying on interstate / steering tightens up coming off interstate

Falconcritter, my 65 Mustang coupe is set up for highway Long Distance driving and "sway" was a real problem. We lived in the country so any trip was a long one. The first time I pulled out on the highway and got up-to-speed, I was shocked. I spent 50 years building cars both as a hobby an...
by Charlie Cheap
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:12 pm
Forum: Mustang Corral
Topic: Fuel tanks
Replies: 4
Views: 506

Re: Fuel tanks

My 65 has been modified for ethanol by using alcohol lines purchased from one of the on-line round-track racing places that burn alcohol. I changed the tank twice and now keep the latest one as full as possible to avoid water. I also keep alcohol-safe treatment in the gas as well as a bottle is kept...
by Charlie Cheap
Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:15 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: The Differences in Small Six Ford Blocks, Bell Housings, & Trans Combos
Replies: 26
Views: 1418

Re: Early Mustang A4LD swap

I am trying to adapt the A4LD behind my 1973 replacement 200" motor in my 1965 Mustang coupe. Trying for over 30 MPG highway. Auto engineering formulas say my 203" SIX (.030 overbore), 2.83 gears, 26.3" tall rear tires, and a .75 overdrive will put the little engine around 1800 RPM at...
by Charlie Cheap
Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:43 pm
Forum: Steering and Suspension
Topic: Swaying on interstate / steering tightens up coming off interstate
Replies: 16
Views: 527

Re: Swaying on interstate / steering tightens up coming off interstate

My 65 Mustang six had a similar problem with sway on the highway. Poly bushings in the front sway bar and adding a rear bar with poly bushings solved my problem. I built it for long highway running. It appears todays radials have a lot of sidewall flex that really shows up on older cars. If your car...
by Charlie Cheap
Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:24 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Do we really need a modern ignition?
Replies: 44
Views: 1957

Re: Do we really need a modern ignition?

To the modern ignition guys...YES they are better...in computer-controlled engines where timing, emissions, transmission shifting are computer-controlled. However, in our street driven SIX we have only 6 lobes on the dizzy cam, so more time to charge the coil primary. Don't forget, if 15,000 volts i...
by Charlie Cheap
Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:16 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Vacuum Advance 101
Replies: 25
Views: 1215

Re: Vacuum Advance 101

Bill the distributor guy is correct...setting the advance CURVE is most important, and he has the SUN machine to do it. Our old dizzy is not controlled by electronics/computer but mechanical controls. That is swing-weights, vacuum, and initial setting. WE are just guessing while Bill has a machine t...
by Charlie Cheap
Thu May 30, 2019 9:03 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Vacuum Advance 101
Replies: 25
Views: 1215

Re: Vacuum Advance 101

In a non-Load-O-Matic distributor there are 3 advance settings/components. Static timing is where one sets the distributor using the timing mark on the balancer/crank pully. Mechanical timing is determined by swing-weights and springs. As RPM increases the swing-weights move outward...advancing timi...
by Charlie Cheap
Wed May 08, 2019 10:09 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Do we really need a modern ignition?
Replies: 44
Views: 1957

Do we really need a modern ignition?

I have spent the last 2 years doing research on the subject of modern electronic ignitions, specifically for older Ford 6-cylinder and 4-cylinder motors. My findings go against what is the accepted norm, but I have proof to back up my thinking. First, higher voltage is good but it must ignite the fu...
by Charlie Cheap
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:53 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Autolite 2100 linkage?
Replies: 15
Views: 688

Re: Autolite 2100 linkage?

I have pictures but am unable to get them to post...sorry. Using a strap of aluminum about 1/2" wide by 8" long, I was able to extend the standard linkage to match up with the carb above it. By using ball-end carb linkage pieces purchased at an auto parts store, I threaded some brass weldi...
by Charlie Cheap
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:42 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Autolite 2100 linkage?
Replies: 15
Views: 688

Re: Autolite 2100 linkage?

My 200 is in a 1965 Mustang with a 2100 carb. I simply made an extension of the factory rod that works the carb and made a bellcrank to change up-down movement to side-to-side movement. With the proper ball-end fitting attached to brass welding rods I threaded, it works fine. I'll try to find pictur...
by Charlie Cheap
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:41 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Daily driver questions
Replies: 14
Views: 1012

Re: Daily driver questions

I have a 1965 Mustang 200 six that was used daily for years. I had a 64 Falcon Ranchero six also I drove daily. Anyone telling you they are bad daily drivers does not know this car. They were designed as daily drivers by Ford. Drum brakes work fine for daily use and simple tuning about twice a year ...
by Charlie Cheap
Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Need an engine
Replies: 13
Views: 962

Re: Need an engine

After checking many sources and knowing what I want from my new-to-me 73 six 200, I think it will take a .020" bore and the 6.5cc dish pistons. With about .050" off the head to reduce the head chambers and .005" off the block, I should be around 8.7 static and 7.5 dynamic compression....
by Charlie Cheap
Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:25 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Need an engine
Replies: 13
Views: 962

Re: Need an engine

I found a 200 six from a 1973 Maverick with the C4 automatic complete for $300.00. I will pull the head to check the internals later today but at that price I jumped on it. The head has the small valves but bigger log which works great for MPG and low-end torque. I'll machine the intake for the 2-ba...
by Charlie Cheap
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:38 am
Forum: Announcements
Topic: Major forum upgrade coming soon!
Replies: 25
Views: 7339

Re: Major forum upgrade coming soon!

Just purchased a 1973 200 out of a Maverick for my 65 Mustang. The OEM 200 had to be bored .060" over to clean up...which is not a good idea. I drove it to Tennessee last summer for the M6A show, running 75 and sometimes better just to stay with traffic. It had no problems running up to and abo...
by Charlie Cheap
Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Need an engine
Replies: 13
Views: 962

Re: Need an engine

I should have posted I do NOT want a 250. The 200 modified as I will do it, works great in my car. As I understand the 250 is taller for the longer stroke, and I do not want that.[img]img_1742[/imgimg_1743] I can't get my pics to post.
by Charlie Cheap
Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:25 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Need an engine
Replies: 13
Views: 962

Need an engine

Looking for the best replacement motor for my 65 Mustang. It is bored to the max at .060" with an adaptor for the 2-barrel. I want a more dependable block as .060" over is the very maximum, especially here in west Texas. I also have the kit to mount a 2-barrel on a machined head. I build f...
by Charlie Cheap
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:35 am
Forum: Aussie Ford Sixes
Topic: distributor. final ignition time
Replies: 5
Views: 2940

Re: distributor. final ignition time

YES, there is a formula for just about every motor situation, but you need to know when the intake valve closes for accurate dynamic compression, static compression, rod length, deck height, volume of any dish/eyebrow cuts in pistons and head gasket piston diameter, plus the crush-height of the head...
by Charlie Cheap
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:27 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: HEI ignition
Replies: 23
Views: 1580

HEI ignition

I am installing a GM style HEI on my modified 200 in a 65 Mustang. The car is built ground-up for interstate highway running, not MAX HP. It looks like running a hot wire direct from the battery to a relay, then to the dizzy is the best setup for max spark. The plugs will be opened up to .045" ...
by Charlie Cheap
Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:29 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Rough running above idle?
Replies: 11
Views: 987

Re: Rough running above idle?

If pulling the choke speeds up the motor, you are not getting enough fuel. The choke shuts off AIR, so speeding up means you are matching the air flow to the fuel flow. Look for a problem with fuel delivery like clogged jets, low fuel in the bowl, clogged filter, etc.!
by Charlie Cheap
Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:17 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: oil capacity questions 66' 200 6cyl
Replies: 5
Views: 821

Re: oil capacity questions 66' 200 6cyl

I am a retired engine builder (mostly stock/near-stock) to go in Street Rods for long distance running. I have rebuilt a 200 Six twice and both had this overfill problem. After running about 20 miles I checked again, and the overfill was still there. The blocks were hot-tanked, the head cleaned and ...
by Charlie Cheap
Thu May 04, 2017 5:11 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Yet another static compression ratio question
Replies: 37
Views: 4211

Re: Yet another static compression ratio question

DO NOT FORGET, the octane of regular gas when the 170 was new was 92! My 65 Mustang came with 9.2-1 compression and like most old V8 Hot Rodders, I bumped compression up too much and busted #6 compression ring. That caused a .060 overbore which is not normally recommended for the 200 six. My Static ...
by Charlie Cheap
Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:01 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Rookie Dual Advance Vacuum Question...
Replies: 20
Views: 2448

Re: Rookie Dual Advance Vacuum Question...

If any 200 six is changed to a Dual-Advance (swing-weights and vacuum) from a Load-o-matic (vacuum only), then MANIFOLD vacuum is used to the advance side of the vacuum chamber on the distributor. I highly recommend a SINGLE vacuum distributor because the vacuum chamber with 2 connections is for emi...
by Charlie Cheap
Sun May 01, 2016 5:44 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Headers (200 six)
Replies: 22
Views: 3803

Re: Headers (200 six)

Not to rain on anybody's parade, but the 3/4 exhaust port divider seems to be a waste of time. Dyno showed no change but some came undone after a short time of use and rattled! I seriously wanted to do this for my rebuild last summer because "on paper" it seems a good idea, but research sh...
by Charlie Cheap
Sun May 01, 2016 4:09 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Is an Autolite 2100 worth it on a stock 200ci?
Replies: 39
Views: 4047

Re: Is an Autolite 2100 worth it on a stock 200ci?

Thanks for all the "tech" info about the 2100 on a 200 head. I have built engines for over 4 decades but not this engine...until recently. Two rebuilds have shown me ethanol gas and too much advance can kill number 6 compression ring. After a .060" bore, installing a 1968 dual-advance...
by Charlie Cheap
Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:52 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Battery ground location, '65 200
Replies: 10
Views: 1301

Re: Battery ground location, '65 200

You can't have too good or too many grounding places! I use "star" washers under my ground connections and go with heavier copper wire than OEM. My degree is in electronics and I spent over 40 years building cars from the frame up. My ASE certification is in engine building and I have see ...
by Charlie Cheap
Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:59 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: two barrel adaptor
Replies: 7
Views: 1199

Re: two barrel adaptor

With the stock carb a spacer with water passage is used which also properly positions the carb square with the head. If that spacer is eliminated the carb sits cock-eyed...which is okay but looks strange. Also, in Texas heat is a problem so the aluminum spacer helps keep heat out of the carb. I have...
by Charlie Cheap
Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:53 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: two barrel adaptor
Replies: 7
Views: 1199

Re: two barrel adaptor

Thanks guys. My concern is hood clearance and linkage. As a long time street rodder I am sure I can make it work, but I will never get too old to ask. I want to avoid any computer/electronics so TBI is basically out...for now. In the future I may give it a try but right now I want 25mpg, about 140 h...
by Charlie Cheap
Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:07 am
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: two barrel adaptor
Replies: 7
Views: 1199

two barrel adaptor

Has anyone used the 2 to 1 adaptor from Summit? I am happy with my 1100 but as the 1st gen. GURU for the Mustang 6 Association I want to try adapting a 2bbl using over-the-counter parts for an article. I have a 2100 (108 version) which is 287 cfm. With a .060" overbore, minor head work, hotter ...
by Charlie Cheap
Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:58 am
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: more performance and great MPG.
Replies: 25
Views: 3532

Re: more performance and great MPG.

The big six is not an economy engine but a brute strength-long life one. However, if built for torque with the right gears and tires it can become a good MPG hauler. I had a stock 3 speed years ago I used as a parts chaser while building street rods. Do NOT over carb it! That is the biggest mistake ...
by Charlie Cheap
Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:22 pm
Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance
Topic: Heat shield
Replies: 9
Views: 1257

Re: Heat shield

Heat shields are available from coolcarb on line. I use 2...one under the carb and one under the spacer, plus I reroute the water line to the heater away from the carb completely. Now air goes there. Wrapping the exhaust with "heat-wrap" should help. As for cleaning the intake, use a drill...