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by AbandonedBronco
Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:01 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: How to add computer controlled timing
Replies: 22
Views: 414

Re: How to add computer controlled timing

Alright, well, I was successful! I locked out the HEI, and switch the system over to magnetic pickup and away it went. The adjustment knob mentioned in the video was phenomenal for phasing it. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N7W8XJB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I would s...
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:49 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: How to add computer controlled timing
Replies: 22
Views: 414

Re: How to add computer controlled timing

I agree on both accounts. It's very cool info, but it's information overload without any clear direction. It's what I addressed in my first post. Everything I read is just clues on how to progress. More puzzle pieces that you have have to figure out how they go together. Much appreciated, but it did...
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:14 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: How to add computer controlled timing
Replies: 22
Views: 414

Re: How to add computer controlled timing

Fortunately, as far as magnetic pickup distributors go, there are a good number of options that can be set, and configured, to clean out the noise.
by AbandonedBronco
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:23 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: How to add computer controlled timing
Replies: 22
Views: 414

Re: How to add computer controlled timing

Thanks for all of the input everyone. It seems that at this point, going with the TFI is just too complicated for my time frame. I know I could, but I don't have the time to figure out schematics, sensors, triggers, etc. and try to put all of the puzzle pieces together. Maybe if it was a project car...
by AbandonedBronco
Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:28 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: How to add computer controlled timing
Replies: 22
Views: 414

Re: How to add computer controlled timing

Wesman07 wrote:What is the issue with using TFI?


I can't find any solid info on how to do it or connect it to the Sniper system.
Holley tech said it's not a simple idea, and the one write up I found on it (which was missing important info) was a really complex experiment.
by AbandonedBronco
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: How to add computer controlled timing
Replies: 22
Views: 414

Re: How to add computer controlled timing

That approach in the video really does look great. I'm going to give it a try. I have the coil driver, so it looks like it's only about $60 in parts total. Not too bad. Overall, it looked like a simple setup. As mentioned in the video, I swapped out the advance lockout plate for this: https://www.am...
by AbandonedBronco
Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:16 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: How to add computer controlled timing
Replies: 22
Views: 414

Re: How to add computer controlled timing

Very cool info, thank you. I agree, most everything is for GM. Plus, if it is for Ford, it's more than likely not going to include the 300... I find it annoying for Holley to brag and tout their Plug-and-Play Sniper compatible ignition systems, but always fail to mention it only works with about 5 -...
by AbandonedBronco
Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:26 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

So, continuing this discussion in another forum as far as the timing control goes:
Would you mind taking a look and weighing in?

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=80462


I'll update this post later as I get the engine pulled apart.
by AbandonedBronco
Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:25 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: How to add computer controlled timing
Replies: 22
Views: 414

How to add computer controlled timing

Hi all, I'm working on my '85 Bronco with a 300 I6. It has a Holley Sniper EFI system. Currently it has an aftermarket DUI ignition from PerformanceDistributors. However, I want to go with computer timing control using the Sniper system. It seems the more research I do on this, all I get are "c...
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:04 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

Agreed. That's what I'm chalking it up to. It's my first performance engine. I'll get it running right again. And it could have been worse. I agree on the pistons. Hopefully it doesn't come to that. I also still have 2 pistons left over from buying an 8 pack, and it'd be nice to reuse them. From wha...
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:50 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

The hall effect setup might work even better.
I'm wondering if that's something that could be mixed with the MSD.

Either way, I'll get some pistons, gaskets, etc. on order and plan for this.
What's done is done, just need to fix it and keep it from happening again.
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:20 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

Thanks for the ideas. By only for V8s, I'm meaning an aftermarket distributor (not the actual Sniper itself). If I can find a compatible distributor that I can somehow set up timing control with, the Sniper will happily accept a 6cyl setup. I just don't know which distributor I can use, which is why...
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:46 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

Cruise is right around 8 - 10hg and 2250 RPMs. So, maybe 30 - 35 total timing. The areas above 40 or so are areas that are pretty hard to get into, unless I'm free revving it. Personally, I'd really like to go with computer timing control with my Sniper unit so I can simply dial these numbers in by ...
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

Where does the timing go when the engine is above 4500 rpm? What units of measure is the 0-14 vacuum scale using. inches, psi ? What octane gas do you use? The timing stops mechanically increasing at 2750, so it's the same at that RPM and up. Vacuum advance stops increasing at 13, so it's the same ...
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:09 am
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

Well... that sucks. I'd much rather some valves and head work. :bang: This is my timing curve. They said that it wasn't modified much, if any, from their base curve. The "Vacuum" column is for the vacuum advance, as it increases across to the right. https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/1154...
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:53 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

Thanks for all the replies everyone. I wanted to do a leak down test before I responded. First, in response to some comments above. The PCV system seems to be working just fine. It has plenty of vacuum through the valve. The engine built was done in phases over a year as funds provided. But each seg...
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

Gotcha, that makes sense. Yes, it has a PCV valve installed that pulls vacuum from the large port on the base plate. Then, there's a filter in the cap on the other end of the cover. I know the gunk you're talking about and have never seen it on this engine. I'll drain a little oil and look for parti...
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:06 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

Can you explain how the PVC system would cause that? Not understanding that one.
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:45 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

And... how much oil does it use? I would think bad ring seal across the board would show up as increased oil consumption. I bought one of those cheap USB cameras just for mysteries like this. With one you can peek at pistons and cylinder walls... It doesn't use a lot. It's not like I'm topping it o...
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:37 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

Well, honestly, the whole thing seems unlikely! :lol: All six cylinders have valve sealing issues at the same time seems unlikely to me as well. More unlikely to me than having a bad batch of rings that all wore out exponentially fast. Then again, I'm no expert. I'm at a loss overall. I didn't measu...
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:39 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Re: Loss of compression in all cylinders

Wouldn't the boost in compression with the addition of oil be automatically indicative of rings? I thought that was pretty much a given.


I could do a leak down test, but it would take some time, since I don't have direct access to any of the necessary tools or equipment.
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:30 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Loss of compression in all cylinders
Replies: 43
Views: 1394

Loss of compression in all cylinders

Hi all, I posted this up over on ford-trucks, but thought I'd share it here to see what some of the gurus think. For some history, two years ago I had my engine rebuilt by a professional engine builder who specializes in racing engines. The build took about a year, and was very meticulously done wit...
by AbandonedBronco
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Re: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

No worries, thanks for the response! It mirrors everything I've learned since I asked the question. :D I actually installed a 3G alternator last month. My alternator died for the umpteenth time and I realized that I had simply been overtaxing them and burning them up. The voltage reading on my Snipe...
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:09 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: 2 barrel on a one barrel adapter
Replies: 12
Views: 1476

Re: 2 barrel on a one barrel adapter

I have a Sniper 2300 on my 300 and I would not use the stock log manifold. I have an Offenhauser C on mine, and it fits really nicely. https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/1139643/fullsize/20180908-18.21.051.jpg https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/1139646/fullsize/20180909-10.15.18.jpg It seems like ...
by AbandonedBronco
Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:53 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Anyone here successfully running an aftermarket EFI System, Megasquirt, Holley Hp, Sniper, Atomic, FITech?
Replies: 22
Views: 2989

Re: Anyone here successfully running an aftermarket EFI System, Megasquirt, Holley Hp, Sniper, Atomic, FITech?

On the Sniper, the fuel table is already set up. You enter in your engine's specs, and it'll create a fuel map that's "close" and will at least get you driving. Then, there's the AFR map. This is a basic map that tells the computer what Air/Fuel ratio you want it to shoot for at a specific...
by AbandonedBronco
Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:29 am
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Two belts on alternator with a Saginaw Pump?
Replies: 18
Views: 867

Re: Two belts on alternator with a Saginaw Pump?

I would think that if you have no issues with your steering, you might as well leave it as is. I would think you'd notice if it was "weak" with your 37" tires.

Less RPMs means your pump will last longer! :P
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:38 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Two belts on alternator with a Saginaw Pump?
Replies: 18
Views: 867

Re: Two belts on alternator with a Saginaw Pump?

It's hooked up exactly how yours is.

The smaller groove on the water pump pulley is powering the AC.

However, it looks like your water pump pulley front groove is a LOT smaller than mine. Mine is about 90% the diameter of the other two. Yours looks almost 50 - 60%.
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:03 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Two belts on alternator with a Saginaw Pump?
Replies: 18
Views: 867

Re: Two belts on alternator with a Saginaw Pump?

Okay, for some reason, I was not getting notified that I was getting replies on this post. Sorry for being a no show! I'll have to check my settings. So, to clarify, the issue is that I have 3 grooves on the harmonic balancer and 3 on the water pump. The alternator, now, with its 2 groove v-belt sit...
by AbandonedBronco
Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:06 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Two belts on alternator with a Saginaw Pump?
Replies: 18
Views: 867

Two belts on alternator with a Saginaw Pump?

Hi all, Recently, and for the fourth or fifth time, my alternator died. After doing some research, I finally realized that my stock charging system just doesn't have the amperage for all of the goodies I've installed over the years. So, I went to the junk yard last weekend and found a 3G alternator ...
by AbandonedBronco
Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Anyone here successfully running an aftermarket EFI System, Megasquirt, Holley Hp, Sniper, Atomic, FITech?
Replies: 22
Views: 2989

Re: Anyone here successfully running an aftermarket EFI System, Megasquirt, Holley Hp, Sniper, Atomic, FITech?

Do you have any more pictures of the install? I do. Lots more. Here's some of the highlights. https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/1139643/fullsize/20180908-18.21.051.jpg https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/1139646/fullsize/20180909-10.15.18.jpg https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/1139647/fullsize/2...
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:15 am
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Offenhouser Source
Replies: 3
Views: 569

Re: Offenhouser Source

Both of those are something that I'd love to have. I've never been the biggest fan of the stock valve cover, due to how easily the bolt holes distort (too thin of metal), so hopefully it's a bit thicker. A side cover would be nice too. Those are really good prices on the intakes. They've jumped up i...
by AbandonedBronco
Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:36 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Anyone here successfully running an aftermarket EFI System, Megasquirt, Holley Hp, Sniper, Atomic, FITech?
Replies: 22
Views: 2989

Re: Anyone here successfully running an aftermarket EFI System, Megasquirt, Holley Hp, Sniper, Atomic, FITech?

Yes, I have a Holley Sniper 850-550 on my 300. https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/1140045/fullsize/20180916-13.05.06.jpg I'd had a 4bbl carb on it for years, so I wavered back and forth between going with the 4bbl Sniper or the 2bbl Sniper, but was then advised by both forum members, and Holley, to...
by AbandonedBronco
Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:05 am
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: MAP sensor reading vs. engine vacuum
Replies: 8
Views: 2298

Re: MAP sensor reading vs. engine vacuum

It is one of the cars I helped put together. 430 cu in SBF with twin 88s, 24 injectors on methanol, 2400 hp. You can't see the engine for all of the bolt-on stuff https://www.dropbox.com/s/4rz3c5rqf70si0b/49fordEngine2.JPG?dl=0 Here is my control center sitting over the intercooler on the passenger...
by AbandonedBronco
Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:36 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: MAP sensor reading vs. engine vacuum
Replies: 8
Views: 2298

Re: MAP sensor reading vs. engine vacuum

Hey, that landscape looks familiar! Yes, driven by Firebird many times on our way out to Emmett for car shows. My dad has some 50's classics he likes to share. That 49 scoots!!! Wow. Is that one of yours? And yeah, it's like the water park here on a weekday. Once you go down a slide, you just turn a...
by AbandonedBronco
Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:18 am
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: MAP sensor reading vs. engine vacuum
Replies: 8
Views: 2298

Re: MAP sensor reading vs. engine vacuum

Thanks for the info pmuller. I figured both were just intake pressure (or lack thereof) and should directly correlate. When I first turn my key to "on", the MAP reads 94kPa, which is very close to what you listed? Where did you get that info? While I was looking around online yesterday, al...
by AbandonedBronco
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:07 am
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: MAP sensor reading vs. engine vacuum
Replies: 8
Views: 2298

MAP sensor reading vs. engine vacuum

Hi all, Still getting used to the nuances of the Holley Sniper I have installed (love it so far). However, one thing I have some curiosities about. Holley documentation states the conversion between the pressure that the MAP sensor reads (kPa) and the vacuum gauge reading (hg). 100 kPa = 0 hg 75 kPa...
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:21 am
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Re: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

Yes, I was willing to pay the extra $50 for the black one so it would match, and I'm glad I did. :D It looks amazing. I haven't upgraded to a 3G alternator. I know a lot of people do, but I guess I never really understood the reasoning behind it. I figured it was if you were adding other power drawi...
by AbandonedBronco
Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:56 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Re: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

So, an update! I finished my install. I went with the Holley Sniper EFI kit 550-850. I documented it (as well as my 302 to 300 and AOD to ZF5 swap) here: https://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/57-78-96-build-forum-builds-only/478802-1985-eddie-bauer-build-10.html There's more previously on the Bronco,...
by AbandonedBronco
Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:35 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Re: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

I'll know soon enough. I just pulled the Bronco into the garage (literally about 5 minutes ago) to start the conversion to that (almost) exact kit. Only difference is that it currently has a fuel injected 302 in it, so it'll be some time before I get my 300 in it. Also, it already has the high press...
by AbandonedBronco
Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:24 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Re: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

Thanks for the ideas, MechRick. I was able to trade my Offy DP straight up for a Offy C, so that part is good to go. I think at this point, I'm pretty set on the TBI idea. I never had issues with how carbs performed, I just had issues with cold weather operation, keeping them tuned, trying to get my...
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:07 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Re: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

For some reason, I thought I remembered reading something about that on their website, but I can't find it now. Maybe I read what pmuller said and then misinterpreted based on that. Either way, I won't be going with FiTech. Twice now I've emailed them for a product recommendation for which one to bu...
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:22 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Re: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

Again, excellent info. Thank you! I saw the FiTech 39001, but could find very little info on it. Even their own site has a lot less details for it than they do for their other setups. I also wish they had a black version, as my entire engine is a red/black theme, including my current QF carb. The go...
by AbandonedBronco
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:40 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Re: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

PMuller, thank you for this great information. It's exactly what I was needing, and it makes a lot of sense. It also greatly helps me make a much more educated decision. The one I'm working through now is whether it's better to have 4x50lb injectors or 2x100lb. Or is it six of one, half a dozen of a...
by AbandonedBronco
Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:20 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Re: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

That's what I was curious about. I know MPFI is better, but if it's not worth the extra effort, then I'd rather focus on a good TBI unit. If that's the case, I suppose it comes down to which one. I see there are mostly 4bbl design TBI units, and a few 2bbl ones. I know with a carburetor what the dif...
by AbandonedBronco
Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:05 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Re: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

Thanks for the reply. I don't have much in the way of fabrication tools, so anything/everything I did that required welding, cutting, etc. would need to be farmed out, which would add up. Drilling and tapping injectors into an Offenhauser intake did seem like an intriguing middle option since that's...
by AbandonedBronco
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:15 pm
Forum: Fuel Injection - Mega Squirt
Topic: Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection
Replies: 25
Views: 6342

Converting a high performance 300 to fuel injection

Hi all, I'm looking for ideas on how to convert my 300 to fuel injection. The year before last, I built up a 300 and dropped it into my '81 Bronco. It currently has an Offenhauser intake with a 450cfm QuickFuel and EFI exhaust manifolds. Then, late last year, my '81 was rear ended and "totaled&...
by AbandonedBronco
Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:16 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Chirping rocker arms on new engine build
Replies: 8
Views: 1642

Re: Chirping rocker arms on new engine build

I'm curious what the diameter of mine are. I'll measure them this weekend. I measured each rocker individually and due to being ground out for oversized valves, I have 3 different length pushrods on my engine. 9.900", 10.000", and the 10.060". But, the rocker tips are dead center on t...
by AbandonedBronco
Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:48 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Chirping rocker arms on new engine build
Replies: 8
Views: 1642

Re: Chirping rocker arms on new engine build

Do you recall what it was about the springs that were causing an issue? Too much pressure? The diameter?
We hunted around quite a while to find these particular springs since they matched the cam specs and the height of the oversized valves, but if they're the issue, I'd be glad to address it.
by AbandonedBronco
Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:07 pm
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Chirping rocker arms on new engine build
Replies: 8
Views: 1642

Re: Chirping rocker arms on new engine build

I inspected the rockers pretty closely when I removed them, but didn't notice anything overly obvious. There was some shiny, smooth areas, but I don't know if this is normal wear, or not. You can see the shine at the base of the "bowl". http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/sandmann999/En...
by AbandonedBronco
Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:59 am
Forum: 240-300 "Big Block" Six Performance
Topic: Chirping rocker arms on new engine build
Replies: 8
Views: 1642

Re: Chirping rocker arms on new engine build

A quick recap and a little history on the engine. This was a 100% ground up rebuild done by a local shop that specializes in racing engines. He assembled all of the block and head (including the bearings), and then I put the engine together at home. I've heard of misaligned cam bearings, but I would...

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