1968 Mustang w/ 200ci

JimmySVT170

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Hey guys, I am new to the forum here and really do enjoy reading some of your posts. I want to start of by saying I am not an expert in muscle cars at all, therefore I would love learning and hearing feedback from you guys. I currently own a 2003 ford focus svt, so I will be a new guy when it comes to the mustang I am looking into buying. I am currently looking at purchasing a 68 mustang which has a i6 200ci motor with a c4 trans. The motor is missing the carburetor, so I was wondering what are my best options? I want something that gives me some extra power, and i understand I will need to be changing the intake manifold which is not an issue. I hear elderbrock carbs do not need tuning at all. Is this true? Also, what are good performance options for the i6. Thanks guys.

-Jim
 
Howdy Jim:

And welcome to THE FORUM! Yes, it is that good.

I'm a fellow focus driver too. I have a '04 ZX3 with the 2.3 PZEV engine. I tow it behind my RV when we go south for the winter. It is fun to drive and gets really good mileage too.

As for your "new" project look forward to getting and education. 1st know that the intake manifold on a 200 engine is integrally cast with the head. Therefore, it is not removeable in the typical fashion. There are several options available however, including carb upgrades as well as using an adapter and modifying the log to accept two barrels or multi carbs.

FYI- the stock carb on a '68 200 is an Autolite 1100. In the 1968 & 69 years the carb was down sized to 150 cfm, as compared to 185 on earlier 200 carbs. The distributor was also changed in these years to a unit with both centrifugal and vacuum advance. So, finding and buying a stock '68 1100 may not be your best choice. You could look at upgrading to the Carter YF, which were the standard carbs on 200 from 1970-'78. It will be compatible with your '68 distributor which requires a ported vacuum signal to work as designed.

It would be helpful if you'd give us more info on the '68 your looking at. But, don't hesitate to read here extensively, and to ask questions.

Keep us posted on your progress. Again, Welcome.

Adios, David
 
Jim,

Welcome to FSP first.

As David mentioned, the upgrades can seem limited at first. However, there are more now than even a few years ago. Just depends on how much money or work you intend to do.

There are OZ250/2v heads that do have a detachable intake manifold and offer a nice upgrade. You can usually pick on up for around $800-1200 depending on condition. That price should be a complete head. They will match the US 200 and 250 blocks.

If you have some ingenuity, you can modify the 200 block to accept an Aussie Crossflow head as well. If you check the tech articles on fordsix.com, you'll see some notes on how to do this.

If you have some more money, Mike's AL heads are about the best you can do for upgrades. They flow as good if not better than the crossflows and are significantly better than the OZ heads (from Mike's flow numbers anyways). Complete packages can be found at www.classicinlines.com. Expect to be dropping around $2k for that route.

Cheap power can be had a few different ways, but will require more work and custom items.

1) Turbocharger. Does10s did some dyno tests and found (as expected) that the log head doesn't suffer as more comparative lack of power while under boost. He's hit around 400HP on the log head with a 250 block.

2) Supercharger. MustangGeezer went this route. See above.

3) Offenhauser 3x1V manifold adaptor. This requires modifications to the log, but allows the attachment of 3 1V carbs. This significantly improves the performance of the engine. I've run the Offy set up and the Oz250 set up and can say they both seem about the same. The OZ250 seemed to have more low end torque but the Offy seemed to pull better at high RPMs. It also sounded like a beast was living under the hood. These kits are getting scarce, but still can be found.


And that's before you get into some other performance adders.

1) Electronic ignition. Getting rid of the points was still my favorite single upgrade, over all the others. Instantly made the engine run better, increased mileage, and was able to open the gap of the plugs up.
a) Cheap and Easy: Pertronix I ($50)
b) Not as cheap, but still pretty easy: Duraspark II ($50-250 depending on the route)
c) Expensive, but easy and pretty: Mikes DUI ($400 or so)

2) Camshaft. What really suffers the 200 block is the poor breathing. Consider upgrading the camshaft. While it is possible to do in the car, it is not easy since it actually will require the removal of the radiator to be able to pull the camshaft out. But even a mild cam with more lift seriously wakes up the engine. I'm running a Comp Cams 260H cam. I've run it with a stock engine a 1V carb, with the Offy 3x1, and with the Oz250 head. I can tell you it even wakes up a stock engine.

3) Roller rockers, If you don't want to pull the engine, you can increase valve lift with some 1.6:1 roller rockers. Mike offers those as well. A little more expensive than a camshaft, but easier to swap out.

4) Transmission. I always recommend dropping the C4 if you really want more performance. A 4 speed toploader will feel better. Going with a later T5 overdrive transmission is so nice. It's my 2nd favorite upgrade to the car. However going from C4 to T5 does require a bit of work.



I've never found a carb that doesn't need tuning. Some are more troublefree than others. However, your choices for the 1v carb are limited. If you want troublefree (relatively), I say you can't beat the venerable Autolite 1100. Very little tuning to be done. If you use an adaptor for a 2V carb, I still recommend either an autolite 2100 or the Holley 350. Both are solid, though the holley can require more initial tuning. To put it in perspective though, on my current set up, I have to tune the carb maybe twice a year. Once in the spring usually to get the car running again, and then usually mid summer due to the heat. Takes 5 minutes. Now, I do admit I fiddle with the car more than that but that's just me.

Do consider getting some basic tools. Tuning light (preferably with dial back indicator), tachometer, and a vacuum gauge. You'll need all of these to tune the car.

Welcome! Feel free to ask questions. You'll rarely, if ever, see anyone say "Hey, use the search function" here. One of the friendliest communities I've seen online TBH. Don't be afraid of asking questions.
 
Thanks for the welcome guys. As David mentioned, the focus is fun to drive, especially the SVT :P . Also, I want to thank you for your info David, the Carter YF doesn't look to bad. One thing I was wondering is if I buy an Autolite 1100, or even the Carter YF, when I upgrade the car further, wouldn't I need to upgrade the carb again? What I really should explain is that I am looking at getting some nice performance out of this car. It seems that I will be purchasing this 68 stang, and I do want it to get running ASAP. You guys had some really great feedback, and I need to thank CobraSix because you really gave me a lot of info. Another question I would like to pose is that I may not even purchase the carb right away because I want to swap out the trans for a manual. I was doing some research, and just have a difficult time deciding whether or not to buy a toploader, or a full t-5 kit. I can get the t-5 for about 2,200, but should I go with a toploader instead? Also, from the power upgrades you listed CobraSix, which are the most "reliable" power upgrades. I do not want to race this car, but I do want some mean power on sundays when I drive this baby.

Thanks again guys, I really am starting to enjoy this community! :D

-Jim
 
Welcome to the forum Jim.

CZLN6 is a great source for information about the Ford inline six. He is also modest and not a self promoter.

Dave has an excellent book on the subject of the Falcon six (which the 200 is considered since it was first installed in the Falcon) and how to upgrade the reliability and performance. The book is called "The Ford Falcon Six Cylinder Performance Handbook". This book is highly recommended.

You can purchase it from the owner of this forum here: http://www.classicinlines.com/products.asp?cat=73
Or from Dave's site here: http://falconperformance.sundog.net/

I wish this site and others was around when I had my first 65 Mustang back in '75, but the internet didn't exist then. :(

If you want information about classic Mustangs there are a lot of websites about them. Just don't tell them that it has a six; the first thing they'll tell you is to "Put in a V8". UGH!

Keep us informed and ask questions.
 
Howdy back Jim:

Thanks for the kind words Rocklord.

Hey Jim- Let me suggest that you start reading and planning before you decide which way to go and start spending. Without a well thought out plan an project can turn into cubic money very quickly. for example, swapping from an auto to a manual trans will require a closer look as power ranges as well as total gearing. Do you know what rear end ratio is in the '68? Also what rear end? Gearing is an important part of the combo, but so is the rear end itself. A stock '68 Mustang with a 200 engine will typically and a 7.25" integral differential. While cheaper and efficient, it is lighter duty and may not stand up to the increased power levels your planning. Let me suggest that you start by getting the car running, which will give you time to learn about what you have and time to read, study and plan for your total goal package. The education you get will be worth a ton and save you a bunch too. You can also assess what you have and begin to prioritize based on the greatest need.

If I were in your shoes, I'd start by acquiring a stock '68 Autolite 1100 and get the car running. Look for a rebuildable core from '68 or '69 and rebuild it your self. That will be your first, fairly inexpensive lesson. Once it is on, you can begin and engine/trans/driveline assessment. While you're doing that, keep reading and planning for the "Big" picture. Most of all, enjoy the trip.

Adios, David
 
Well, my car is a daily driven (or mostly every day) during the summer.

I did forget to mention the book. It's a worthwhile purchase. Some of the data is a little out of date now with some of the new heads and performance options, but still a very good read and should be on the shelf of every ford 6 owner.

As far as reliability, which is my focus as well. The ignition upgrades are all reliable.

IMO, get the car up and running first. You want to be able to assess the overall condition and go from there. Brakes, cooling, etc. After you get a good assessment of how the car runs now, then you should start jumping into upgrades. It makes life easier. Same thing I'm doing on a 280zx I should soon be acquiring. Going to get it up and running under a stock engine for the car, and then upgrade stuff later.

If you are going to make the switch from C-4 to stick shift, I would say to go with the T5. Gears are strong and having the OD makes the car a better driver. Also allows going to steeper gears in the rear without sacrificing highway mileage. However, as with everything, it's a matter of time versus money. WHile you can buy a pre set kit with transmission for $2200, if you are patient, you can assemble the same stuff for under $1k. I did my first swap for around $500, including a rebuilt T5. Now, it took me 3-4 months of shopping around for that deal. That's also why I suggest to get the car running. Makes you more patient for upgrades and getting good deals. Less money spent on one item means more to spend on something else.

I'd say all the modifications I listed are reliable. The only one I ever had some problems with was the 3x1v set up. It can be picky on tuning. Some people have it running great for daily drivers. It was just something personally I didn't want to fiddle with and I ended up with a good deal on my current head. Turbochargers and superchargers are reliable, so long as you aren't trying to push crazy air. Personally, I'm just not a fan of them on carb'd cars. But that's a personal preference, not one based on reliability.
 
Thanks guys for all the info. I think you guys are right, I will have to get the car running first. I will do disk brakes right after because that is what I am planning in the future anyway. I think I will also be purchasing a copy of that book because it looks really interesting to read. Also, the rear of the car is a v8 rear, i believe its a 9" because the car code is "C." Can I just get a brief explanation on how to find the gear ratio, or how the t-5 compare to the toploader when it comes to gears.

Thanks guys

-Jim
 
Also, just so i don't confuse anyone, the car has a "C" code with a i6 200 in the car. I don't want you guys to think I want the v8 :D
 
Not a 9 in it only the big block FE's 390's and a few sepecial 68 428 cj drag cars got a 9inch. C code is a 289 2v and would have a 8 inch though this is still a very good upgrade for any of the sixes. :nod:
 
Should be a tag on the rear end with some numbers on it.

You'll find most of us here don't really care about people putting V-8s in. The path to the darkside is quick and easy way to power, and we realize that. I mean, there have to be Sith (v8s) for the Jedis (us) to do battle with. If everyone was a Jedi, no one would be the cool kids... ;)

But, most of us here espouse the belief that it's your car, do what makes you happy. if V-8 is the way, that's your way. Just like V-8 people puzzle over why we pour twice as much money into an engine to get the same power.

As an old saying I use: "It's not how fast you go, but how go you fast"

Or as Robert Frost once stated

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference."
 
You know what, your right it is an 8 :D Also I wanted to ask what are the best options for disk brakes? Maybe you guys can send me a link.

Thanks

-Jim
 
In a 5 lug patern a few 67 & 68 Mustangs had disks' (harder to find) Also 69 up to 73 Mustangs, then the late Fairlane's , Mavericks / Comet's also have disk's (75 up 250's and V8's) and Granada / Monarch's disk's (these are the biggest) will bolt on with small amount of work. Get the hole assembley as a unit spindles etc. Many kits are also made to adapt disk's to your curent sindles. Good luck on the hunt :nod:
 
JimmySVT170":3f4vzax3 said:
You know what, your right it is an 8 :D Also I wanted to ask what are the best options for disk brakes? Maybe you guys can send me a link.

Thanks

-Jim

Oh No, now you did it! Be prepared for an onslaught of posts.

I'll start. Check out Scarebird, they make adapters that allow you to use newer OEM rotors and calipers. Check them out here: http://www.scarebird.com/
If you go with front discs, you can replace the master cylinder with one from the late 60's, early 70's Mustangs, Mavericks, and Granadas that came with discs.

If you're interested in rear discs, look at the early 90's Crown Vic/Mercury Marquis. Some of them came with rear disc brakes that will bolt onto your 8-inch. As for a master cylinder, some Granadas came with 4 wheel discs; you can use one of those.

Going back to one of your previous posts about determining the final axle ratio of your 8-inch.
First check and see if there is a small metal tag attached by one of the third member nuts; it should have the axle ratio stamped on the top row of numbers.
If your axle doesn't have a tag, jack up the rear end until the wheels are off the ground; place jack stands under the axle (very important!!); make a mark on one of the tires; rotate the driveshaft by hand, counting the revolutions until the tire makes one complete revolution.

Here's a site with all of the axle codes for the 68 http://www.vintage-mustang.com/topics/d ... xle_ratios

Of course, you would have to know whether the axle was ever replaced during its 42 year life to go by the tag code.

Keep the questions coming.
 
Thanks guys for all the responses. I am going to see the car for a second time friday night, and we'll see what happenes. I currently have two different ones I am looking at, I just need to pick one and wait for the next paycheck :D. Also, I think you guys are great and respond very quickly compared to the other forums I used to be on. If I have more questions I will post, thanks! :)

-Jim
 
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