223 I-6 Swap for 262 I-6

[Colonel Flashman]

Fellow Inliners

I need your help, please.
I am attempting to locate a '61-'64 262 I-6 & am having a devil of a time doing so.
It doesn't have to run, just as long as it's complete , rebuildable.
Tilt Cab version wont fit & Hollander's states that it doesn't exchange well w/ others. :roll:
Anyone out there willing to step up to the Wicket & help me out. Asking for help has always been rather hard for me, it would be greatly appreciated. 8)

Thank'ee

 

[63redtudor]

262s are hard to find (I've never seen one). I'm cirious as to why the tilt cab version wouldn't exchange? I was under the impression that its the manifolds (intake/exhast) that wouldn't interchange. However, 223 & 262 manifolds are interchangable. Clifford lists its intakes & headders for both the 223 & 262 (& from what I understand will fit the 215 as well). As for finding one, you might want to check some of the older, rural wrecking yards. These are hard to find, but they'll usually have old farm trucks, where most of these engines were likely to be. Or you can also check:
http://www.car-part.com/
I've found a couple 262s on there (shipping might be an issure though). Hope this helps.
Edwin

 

[Colonel Flashman]

Thank'ee.
They came in F-250/350's & a some F-100's as well, at least according to the FoMoCo Lit..
The Oil Pan is the problem w/ the Tilt Cab version, different configuration & wont fit in my M-100.
Tried them, still waiting to hear back from the Yards I contacted.
I guess it's still snowing in certain parts of the country.
Greatly appreciated, any info helps.

Cheers

262s are hard to find (I've never seen one). I'm cirious as to why the tilt cab version wouldn't exchange? I was under the impression that its the manifolds (intake/exhast) that wouldn't interchange. However, 223 & 262 manifolds are interchangable. Clifford lists its intakes & headders for both the 223 & 262 (& from what I understand will fit the 215 as well). As for finding one, you might want to check some of the older, rural wrecking yards. These are hard to find, but they'll usually have old farm trucks, where most of these engines were likely to be. Or you can also check:
http://www.car-part.com/
I've found a couple 262s on there (shipping might be an issure though). Hope this helps.
Edwin

 

[63redtudor]

Use the oil pan off of your 223.
You'll also find that the early/big truck models have the fuel pump on the timing cover. Its the same pump as the 223s, just that its actuated off a eccentric bolted to the cam gear. I'm not too sure if these blocks came with a cover plate for the normal pump location or if the pump mount & hole were eliminated in the casting. However, in '64 when the 262 was offered in the light trucks (F100 - F350), the 262 was set up the same as the 223.
Edwin

 

[Colonel Flashman]

Edwin

Unfortunately as I remember Hollander's stating that rather little from the 223 Interchanges w/ the 262. But whatever further info you wish to share w/ me to make this happen would be greatly appreciated.
I have "The Ford Service Technician, Servicing the 262 Ford Truck Engine" which shows quite a bit of detail of the engine w/ all the new bits & bobs that were put on it.
All the of the Pix of the 262 I've seen do not show a "Cover" or anything like one where the petral pump was located on the 215/223 engines.
And w/ the 20 extra lbs of metal that was added during casting for re-enforcement on all the Stress locations I would imagine that it would have been filled in on the new blocks.
I new I was looking for the '64 specifically for some reason, you've just now confirmed why.
Denver is close by, would you be willing to help me find a '64 262?

Thank'ee
Flashy

Use the oil pan off of your 223.
You'll also find that the early/big truck models have the fuel pump on the timing cover. Its the same pump as the 223s, just that its actuated off a eccentric bolted to the cam gear. I'm not too sure if these blocks came with a cover plate for the normal pump location or if the pump mount & hole were eliminated in the casting. However, in '64 when the 262 was offered in the light trucks (F100 - F350), the 262 was set up the same as the 223.
Edwin

 

[63redtudor]

I have that little booklet as well, neet little book with quite a bit of info. If you look at the pictures in the it looks as though the fuel pump is mounted to a plate where on a 223 the fuel pump would be. On page 12 there is a pic of a guy removing the pushrods & if you look carefully there's the mounting & hole for a pump. Of course, in the manuals, the pictures are ALWAYS accurate! :roll: I also have the '61-63 ford truck manual on disc & the '64 light truck manual (F100 - F350). Most of my info is gleaned from these, though I do find info occasionally online.
Help you find a 262? I will try & do that. No promises, but I know of a couple of older, rural yards that just MIGHT have one. I need to check them out anyway & I'll try & keep an eye out for a 262.
Edwin

 

[Colonel Flashman]

Edwin

Your help in attempting to locate a 262 I-6 is a good deed that wont go undone, if there's something similar I can do for you, just let me know.
So far it's been rather frustrating here because the Individuals that run the Yards here about look at me as if I gone Daft 'cause they've never heard of it or don't understand enough english that they keep showing me C*%#y's 262 v8.

 

[Anonymous]

COLONEL, YOUR 262 AWAITS YOU IN BURLEY, ID. CONTACT DANNY @ 208.678.7580 OR 800.257.0869...AUTO WREX PLUS. I TALKED WITH HIM LAST WEEK ABOUT ONE HE HAS THERE. HIS STOCK NUM D97007. $200.00 + SHPG. I FOUND WHAT I WANTED IN HOUSTON

 

[Colonel Flashman]

TJ

Thank'ee!
You got him to answer your questions on it.
What all did he tell you about it?
Waiting to here back from him, again.
He never answered that from before & was puzzled over why he never got back to me the first time.

You're a Pip!

Thank'ee once again.
Flashy

 

[63redtudor]

Looks as though TJ beat me to it. Just as well, the wreaking yard I wandered around today didn't have any 262s. Only one ford truck was old enough to even have a 223/262 & it had a Y-block. There are a couple of decent looking 300s & if anyone is looking for Stude parts this would be a place to look.
Flashy, when you do get your 262, if you take any pics, could you send a few my way? Info as well, so I can add it to my website? Maybe in the future more people could benefit & more of these engines won't be replaced with the usual 302 (or 350 :roll: )? (or at the least, those of us actually interested in them would be able to get our hands on them.) Thanks
Edwin

 

[Colonel Flashman]

Edwin

Thank'ee for you efforts!
Well I'm still waiting for Danny in Idaho, to get back to me.
This is twice now that he has stated he would & hasn't yet.
I contacted him last week & after 3 more calls from me to none from him I figured he blew me off.
Then TJ states that he had gotten all the info from Danny last week & to call him & state that TJ told me to call. Now I'm twiddling my thumbs again waiting for Danny to call again.

When I pull this swap off you bet I'll be taking picks for you. I'll still be looking for at least one or two more 262's for parts & or a back up engine. Never know when something'll break when you least expect. I know these engines are almost bullet proof, but I don't like not being able to find a part if it's needed.

I already have a 2-4 Bbl. Clifford Intake Manifold & Dual Header for it. Well Ballance & Blue print it, Roller Rockers, put Mod Cam in, do the Crank, Harden Valve Seats, etc.

Please keep yours eyes peeled still, If Danny blows me off again I'll still need a 262.

Looks as though TJ beat me to it. Just as well, the wreaking yard I wandered around today didn't have any 262s. Only one ford truck was old enough to even have a 223/262 & it had a Y-block. There are a couple of decent looking 300s & if anyone is looking for Stude parts this would be a place to look.
Flashy, when you do get your 262, if you take any pics, could you send a few my way? Info as well, so I can add it to my website? Maybe in the future more people could benefit & more of these engines won't be replaced with the usual 302 (or 350 :roll: )? (or at the least, those of us actually interested in them would be able to get our hands on them.) Thanks
Edwin

 

[Colonel Flashman]

Edwin

Well the 262 finally arrived.
But it sure looks as if has been through the wringer.
Daniel stated just the Head & Manifolds were gone, well Water, Fuel Pump & Dip Stick aren't there either.
I'm not thrilled to say the least, It's also covered w/ so much crude & rust it's rediculous.
I'm afraid it might not be salvagable, worst case scenerio, looks as if its had several rebores already. Hoping the crank & cam shafts are at least usable.
So the possibility is that I'm still in the market for a '64, 262 I-6.

Looks as though TJ beat me to it. Just as well, the wreaking yard I wandered around today didn't have any 262s. Only one ford truck was old enough to even have a 223/262 & it had a Y-block. There are a couple of decent looking 300s & if anyone is looking for Stude parts this would be a place to look.
Flashy, when you do get your 262, if you take any pics, could you send a few my way? Info as well, so I can add it to my website? Maybe in the future more people could benefit & more of these engines won't be replaced with the usual 302 (or 350 :roll: )? (or at the least, those of us actually interested in them would be able to get our hands on them.) Thanks
Edwin

 

[63redtudor]

Hmm. Thats too bad. I'll try & keep an eye out for another 262 then.
However, you might want to tear it down & clean it thurally. Remember, these old blocks have a bit of meat on them. Also, its from southern idaho? That area is like eastern oregon where I grew up. You can have an engine (actually a whole car) sit outside for years & it'll still be usable, even though it may look rough as h*ll. The current head on my '63s 170 sat outside for years & looked really rough when I first got it. Sure cleaned up great though. Go slow on teardown & use LOTS of penetrating oil. You'd be surprised at how the rust will clean off (usually its just surface rust). Friends of mine would just free up old tractor motors that had been sitting out there for years & put oil in & go. Of course, you're not using this motor in a tractor!
Just keep posting on the board & if the motor doesn't look as though its really going to be much more than parts, then if not me then someone here will be able to pitch in & find you a 262.
Edwin

 

[277 I6]

Fellow Inliners

I need your help, please.
I am attempting to locate a '61-'64 262 I-6 & am having a devil of a time doing so.
It doesn't have to run, just as long as it's complete , rebuildable.
Tilt Cab version wont fit & Hollander's states that it doesn't exchange well w/ others. :roll:
Anyone out there willing to step up to the Wicket & help me out. Asking for help has always been rather hard for me, it would be greatly appreciated. 8)

Thank'ee

I ran an ad in our local paper and received six calls on it. Unfortunately only one was really a 262. I had built two 262's in the last 10 years and your best bet is a 1964. The 61 thru 63 don't have the fuel pump excentric on the cam shaft. Also the 64 has a 5/16 oil pump drive.