240 vs 300 mpg and power

Has anyone ever been around someone that has a wood gasification setup?

Does anyone know how often the oil and filters need to be changed?

Does anyone know the life of cylinders, pistons, rings, valves and seats when running on wood?

Does anyone know how fast the engine gets gummed up?

There are some good forums with sections about alternative fuels. Wood gasification is a very dirty and abrasive fuel.

I’ve been studying about wood gasification since 2009. I have a brother that is in wood gasification. He owns a saw mill. Some good friends of mine did studies on their wood gasification setups. One worked with a university out west.

A wood gasified engine is hard starting, low in HP, has a short life and is very high maintenance. They are absolute pigs.

If some want to find someone that might know a thing or two about wood gasification, find a Russian that’s been involved with them. Or find a forum that is about wood gasification.
 
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Has anyone ever been around someone that has a wood gasification setup?

Does anyone know how often the oil and filters need to be changed?

Does anyone know the life of cylinders, pistons, rings, valves and seats when running on wood?

Does anyone know how fast the engine gets gummed up?

There are some good forums with sections about alternative fuels. Wood gasification is a very dirty and abrasive fuel.

I’ve been studying about wood gasification since 2009. I have a brother that is in wood gasification. He owns a saw mill. Some good friends of mine did studies on wood gasification. One worked with a university out west.

A wood gasified engine is hard starting, low in HP, has a short life and is very high maintenance. They are absolute pigs.

If some want to find someone that might know a thing or two about wood gasification, find a Russian that’s been involved with them. Or find a forum that is about wood gasification.
I looked into it for stationary co-gen.
For the same reason I am at this moment forced to be my own utility till perhaps the 16th by the local PowCo estimate.

For all the reasons you describe, I decided if wood was to be the fuel, it's time to go full SteamPunk.
Or better yet Stirling.
 
My final project in machinist school was a stirling engine powered fan. Runs about 750 rpms with a quartet of 4" long aluminum blades. Tried it with brass blades, half as thick but heavier, and it didnt run near as fast.
Cool!
If the aerodynamics of the blades was pretty much the same, I would suspect bearing losses from the increased weight load.
But it could be the engine was running just outside it's best phasing, and was able to accel/deccel the lighter aluminum blades to compensate.
As I recall most of the actually produced engines had to be timed just slightly off 90* phasing for best performance.
I had to study the thermodynamic theory of Stirlings in my school, fewer metal chips, a whole lot more math. If I ever find that Tardis I'll swap ya!
 
Has anyone ever been around someone that has a wood gasification setup?

Does anyone know how often the oil and filters need to be changed?

Does anyone know the life of cylinders, pistons, rings, valves and seats when running on wood?

Does anyone know how fast the engine gets gummed up?

There are some good forums with sections about alternative fuels. Wood gasification is a very dirty and abrasive fuel.

I’ve been studying about wood gasification since 2009. I have a brother that is in wood gasification. He owns a saw mill. Some good friends of mine did studies on their wood gasification setups. One worked with a university out west.

A wood gasified engine is hard starting, low in HP, has a short life and is very high maintenance. They are absolute pigs.

If some want to find someone that might know a thing or two about wood gasification, find a Russian that’s been involved with them. Or find a forum that is about wood gasification.
When I ran a woodgas setup, my oil changes were 3,000 mile intervals.
If you want to run an engine on woodgas, you must properly calculate the air injection nozzle sizes, how many, what diameter the reaction chamber should be, and how thick of a grate/what material to use for the estimated temperature of the charcoal.

The reactor should be burning hot enough to flash off any excess of tar and soot. In its optimal state, a gasifier can even produce a nearly clear gas, needing very little filtering. Unfortunately, control tests rarely apply to the real world when things like ambient temperature, air density, and moisture are accounted for.

Next, you MUST filter the gas. I prefer running it through a cyclone filter to remove heavy particulates and tars. After the cyclone, the gas passes through two radiators which will ideally cool the gas down to ambient aur temperature. This process will condense a lot of vapor, so you must plan to put a catch can at the lower end of the radiator which will need to be emptied every so often.

Finally, the gas will pass through a fine particulate filter. I like running a barrel full of sawdust which can be changed out whenever it gets filthy. Sawdust is cheap. You can use anything that is good at filtering solids.

Then pipe the cleaned gas to the intake. Run a splitter so the engine can use either gasoline or woodgas in case you ever have trouble with getting the fire right.

You will lose a good chunk of power with woodgas. Much like propane, you must check and clean the carbon buildup off of the valves. Expect to run at higher RPMs too. The faster you run the gas through the reactor, the hotter it burns and the better and output you'll receive.
 
Cool!
If the aerodynamics of the blades was pretty much the same, I would suspect bearing losses from the increased weight load.
But it could be the engine was running just outside it's best phasing, and was able to accel/deccel the lighter aluminum blades to compensate.
As I recall most of the actually produced engines had to be timed just slightly off 90* phasing for best performance.
I had to study the thermodynamic theory of Stirlings in my school, fewer metal chips, a whole lot more math. If I ever find that Tardis I'll swap ya!
Blade hub had the pitch built it so that was the same. And the shape of the blades was also the same. So it was just the weight

Crankshaft ran on roller bearings as well.
 
When I ran a woodgas setup, my oil changes were 3,000 mile intervals.
If you want to run an engine on woodgas, you must properly calculate the air injection nozzle sizes, how many, what diameter the reaction chamber should be, and how thick of a grate/what material to use for the estimated temperature of the charcoal.

The reactor should be burning hot enough to flash off any excess of tar and soot. In its optimal state, a gasifier can even produce a nearly clear gas, needing very little filtering. Unfortunately, control tests rarely apply to the real world when things like ambient temperature, air density, and moisture are accounted for.

Next, you MUST filter the gas. I prefer running it through a cyclone filter to remove heavy particulates and tars. After the cyclone, the gas passes through two radiators which will ideally cool the gas down to ambient aur temperature. This process will condense a lot of vapor, so you must plan to put a catch can at the lower end of the radiator which will need to be emptied every so often.

Finally, the gas will pass through a fine particulate filter. I like running a barrel full of sawdust which can be changed out whenever it gets filthy. Sawdust is cheap. You can use anything that is good at filtering solids.

Then pipe the cleaned gas to the intake. Run a splitter so the engine can use either gasoline or woodgas in case you ever have trouble with getting the fire right.

You will lose a good chunk of power with woodgas. Much like propane, you must check and clean the carbon buildup off of the valves. Expect to run at higher RPMs too. The faster you run the gas through the reactor, the hotter it burns and the better and output you'll receive.
It looks like you’ve been experimenting. And, don’t mind going through all the headaches. In real world testing, on the road, as you mentioned temperature changes, humidity, elevation… will effect operation. Still, HP will be greatly reduced. Unfortunately, accelerated engine wear will still happen on an engine. Valves and seats will wear prematurely.

Did you ever get an oil analysis done?

The only time I would make a wood Gasification setup is if it’s the only source of fuel available. The whole fuel source would have to go bust. A matter of fact, I’m too old to consider it. I might as well go electric.

Riding a bike keeps me in pretty good shape for my age. Beginning of December I was doing over 32 miles in under 2-1/2 hours on my 40 pound mountain bike on paved trails with a fair amount of inclines. Not bad for an old fart. Can’t wait to get the new road bike finished.

If you plan to build another gasification system. Please write about it. Things like that always interest me.

Added: With all that wood, it might be feasible to build a still and make your own methanol.
 
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OT but sorta related. I have a old rowboat its made from cedarwiht oak ribs. and there are very few alive people now that can make boats of that style. it was built by a shipyard about 100 years ago - so I didn't want to build a "boat inside a boat " by using fiberglass or epoxy , doing that is incorrect, those things do not expand and contract like wood does.

boats like this are supposed to expand and that seals them. there is a material that expand that is stuffed into the joints, traditionally. My dad restored it , twice! once when I was a kid then later whan i was about 40 and now I;d like to do some more because I value it and they are very rare . its a dream to row, just glides through the water and if overturned it flips back , it looks mch like a traditional lifeboat but only 10 feet long. I have a lot of great fishing memories. i'll spare you the fish stories. ;-)


I was wondering if I can obtain "pine pitch paint" evidently they burn a lot of pine , catch the whatever it is , creosote or tar or pitch , it leaches out while burning. Evidently paint made from it underwent osme process to make it inot paint and that process is unclear to me.
It was very tennacious and bug resistant. used on old ships for centuries, the process is basically obsolete but it souunded like great stuff. I wonder if you'd end up with such a by product from your suggested process if you burn pine?

I've seen stuff drip out of wood when I burn it in my fireplace that is indeed extremely tough and sticky.. but not enough to do anything with. I had to wonder if maybe some of your wood burning friends would be aquainted with it.

creosote is created in a wood burnign fireplace when you choke the fire too much, it may be similar.. it'll plug up a chimney. the reason I mentioned it isn't to throw off your thread, but becaue your process also requires burning fuel under a similar "choked for air" condition.
 
My 1967 Ford Custom 500 with 3 on the tree, stock 240 and 3.00 rearend got 28 mpg on hwy. Purchased in 1981 in high school. I drove to college several years. In 1985, after some mechanical problems, my dad swapped in a 1972 302 and automatic. It got 25 mpg. Both setups were driven long interstate trips at 70++. One at 150 according to the local sheriff at that particular section of interstate. Life went on and the car was parked for perceived issues that I don't remember. Cycle went: buy wife vehicle, something goes wrong with it, I drive it, no AC, etc, she gets another. After years of this cycle, 25 years have passed with the 67 (HOSS is his name), sitting in the yard with a wonderful patina. I took him to a shop to get him back running. The shop owner called me to give me the news. The engine turned over by hand. He put a battery to it, sprayed fluid down the carb, crossed the solenoid and without a full revolution of the starter, the engine cranked and set there idling as smooth as having just been installed. Well after new tank, brakes, etc, I've been driving HOSS again for a couple years now until a freeze plug that had rusted behind the bell housing blew and the engine locked up. So I'll either rebuild or go back to a 240. I do have a built 71 460 that I had intended to put in 15 years ago.
 
My 1967 Ford Custom 500 with 3 on the tree, stock 240 and 3.00 rearend got 28 mpg on hwy. Purchased in 1981 in high school. I drove to college several years. In 1985, after some mechanical problems, my dad swapped in a 1972 302 and automatic. It got 25 mpg. Both setups were driven long interstate trips at 70++. One at 150 according to the local sheriff at that particular section of interstate. Life went on and the car was parked for perceived issues that I don't remember. Cycle went: buy wife vehicle, something goes wrong with it, I drive it, no AC, etc, she gets another. After years of this cycle, 25 years have passed with the 67 (HOSS is his name), sitting in the yard with a wonderful patina. I took him to a shop to get him back running. The shop owner called me to give me the news. The engine turned over by hand. He put a battery to it, sprayed fluid down the carb, crossed the solenoid and without a full revolution of the starter, the engine cranked and set there idling as smooth as having just been installed. Well after new tank, brakes, etc, I've been driving HOSS again for a couple years now until a freeze plug that had rusted behind the bell housing blew and the engine locked up. So I'll either rebuild or go back to a 240. I do have a built 71 460 that I had intended to put in 15 years ago.
That's a beautiful story! I'm glad that you got reunited with HOSS. A 240 would be unique for sure if you decide to drop one in there.
 
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