4.0L OHC

Unfalconbelievable

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OK well I've looked at it long enough, I've got a 4.0L OHC engine thats been sitting in the shed for ages. Brother found out water doesnt compress the hard way when tryin to get accross a flooded road and the XG ute intake is below the headlight! Any way it smashed a piston, bent the rod and took a hunk out of the bore. I wanna know if the XG/EB rods are the good ones that will hold up to 500-600hp at the crank with prep at 6000RPM? and will the block hold up well with a sleeve put in in cyl No. 6 for the hole? Cause those heads will flow heaps more than a crossflow and its just sitting there with manifolds and everything, only missing dizzy cap!
 
A few points of reality. A reality is that in Australia, the factory OHC is the Ford engine to have if your going to slam the hammer down without any modifications

Pros:

1. Even an early OHC has a rev range 500 rpm greater than any X-flow.

2. Later OHC's are able to rev 1000 rpm more, while still out-torqing an X-flow. XR6 and VCT and the later EL rocker gear is very efficient.

3. Size for size, and matching a carb with a throttle body OHC, and an X-flow EFI with an OHC multipoint EFI, the OHC has only 3% more torque but up to 15% more power than the X-flow engine.

4. The best multipoint OHC has more than 25% torque than the worst XC engine.

5. An OHC MPI or XR6 out of an XG ute will have a 50% to 62% boost in power over what a stock carby X-flow will produce, and 12% to 20% more torque.

6. The block is trim, tough as teak, and has the same phyical crank dimensions as the earlier X-flow, but each year, the OHC got better and better. The longer AU/BA rods were a huge leap forward in strength.

7. The earlier 1988 to 1997 rods in OHC's were 250 style rods in height and everything bar the bolts was similar. Beam section (the amount of steel if you cut it in half) was still modest, as it is in most American designed engines. The Geelong factory always made their rods out of forged steel, and they had good quality.

8. Ford did designed the 3.9 OHC with an AIT turbo system in mind, but AIT went bust before the EA26 cmae out. The rods are still able to take a huge level of boost, right up to 260 kilowates or 350 hp, the equal of a Phase 3.

9. Sooo, a the best OHC is a killer engine which is light years ahead of any stock X-flow. No argument. People like Aussie 7 Mains an the other Pro Sohc-ers are totally right about how exceptional this engine is. It's like comparing an X-flow with a 265 Hemi, the Ohc IS THAT much better.


Cons.

1. Rocker Gear. It's not bad, its brilliant, but its the most mis-undestood set-up around. There isn't an engine which has been more messed up than the aftermarket OHC!

All Ford OHC's all over the world ran a similar variable ratio lifter. It was supposed to be a constant ratio, but tollerances cause variations in ratio from the ideal. Yes, OHC Fords varied in valve inclination since the first factory OHC in 1969 , but basically, the 20 odd years of solid lifter Cortina 2.0, the 15 years of the hydraulic lifter Escort 'Erika' 1.6 CVH, and the 15 years of the E, and A series OHC's were just big versions of the European OHC's. The Falcon engine has the Compound Vertex Hemi head, it's a direct copy of the Front drive Erika Escorts.

A study of any Ford SOHC rocker gear is that they are designed for very high lift rates with very little expense.There is no margin for alignement stuff ups, or even 25 thou of valve height missmatch will screw up the total lift of the valve. Tiny things screw it up.

Anything you do to the valve spings, rockers and valves which is not to the stock EA, EB, ED, XR6 or late EF and EL upgrades will hurt the existing engine torque and peak power figures. The variable rocker gear lift to valve length ratio was described in detail by David Vizard in 1988, and it is very complicated. He talked about 1.63:1 ratios or more in the Cortina, while the Falcon is 1.8 or 2.0:1 depending on model. But it varies if your rockers are not EXACTLY aligned or the right length or depth. A base cricle diameter change in a remachined cam messes it up.

The likes of Jim Mock thrive on OHC's because everyone else is too lazy to do the hardest job with Fords OHC rocker gear, and that is...understand how it works!. Put different valves, the wrong springs, the wrong lifters, the wrong cam, the wrong rockers on, you will wonder why it performs so poorly.

2. The Electronics. I am not a total Ludite, I know the value of everything Ford engineers did with electronics. They are champoins, and possibly saved millions by ensuring no-one can fiddle with perfection!

In 10 years, the Falcon six exceded the power of a 4-BBL XC 351, and the torque of an XD 4-BBL 302, with just a good head and great engine management system. Using 30 % less fuel, and in cars which were heavier than the XD's and XE's. The EEC was at the time the most advanced engine control system around, but it was like the flat head Ford, ....one of the most stubborn to access for performance. Since the Aussie set-ups varied a lot fom the US versions, it is only supported by a few supliers. There was a huge level of customised binary chip characteristics. The variance between manual and auto, XR6, Ghia, XG and XH versions, to the base versions was significant, and then all the EF and EF11 and EL and the EA 1 and EA II, EB, EBII, and ED had massive changes. Some versions had no distributors, which is a bit of a laugh. Ford don't support all the parts any more, and when something breaks, it doesn't always invoke a limp-home mode. When you go to replace it, the piece must be the same.

That is the one thing I really dislike about OHC Fords. They make you learn all the model changes, and force you to work through the break-out codes. You have to do everything to the factory process, and if the fault is an ignition coil or stepper motor, or some basic system leak, you have to sort through the whole thing, like a swaring saint.

3. The BTR packages are linked together by unique bellhousings which make it a major undertaking to put the better,cheaper US V6, 300 I6 and V8 gearboxes in them. You can't easily divorce the BTR LE and T5 gearboxes and wack in simpler AOD or A4 Explorer 4-speeds, 300 i6 C6, or import Mustang T5 and T56 6 speeds. Even Ford Australia had a heck of a job making good T5 gearboxes for there rally Group N and Group E Falcon XR6 SS's. For Ford, they had to make a V8 T5 with a ohc main shaft and told the racers not to break them. All becasue Ford Australia decided not to use the six bolt V8 bellhousing. In the old days, a six cylinder Toploader or single rail were the same, and a six cylinder C9 could be mated to a V8 C4 and vicky versa. These days, everyhting is optimized to suit. The six has a huge amount of metal saved by running the smaller six cylinder bellhousing mounts, and Ford designed all sixes for Turbos, and put the starter where the back of the OHV cam was, so there is no interchanging an old C9 or C4 without a a modifed cistom bellhousing.

You would think 9 pluses and only 3 minuses makes the OHC a winner. When you add up the cost of the 3 minuses, the OHC is a 4 grand liability, even if you picked one up for 250 bucks. If all the gear is there, sweet. If its not, then unless its an XR6 or later Ghia engine with a good trans and all the bits, it is a 4 grand liabilty.

Playing devils advocate further.

Because the right head bits, electronics and gearboxes are so impossible to modifiy without a drug dealers credit line, I refuse to work with the OHC. I have to know all the bits are there, and easily understood, AND THEY ARE NOT.

Anyone can make a good old X-flow do 260 kilowatts with 4 grands worth of quality engine rebuild, and 4 grands worth of turbo. Add a good C9 or Supra 5 or 6 speed. Any OHC can be had for less, but the gearbox and elctronics and head eliminates cheap up grades.

Addilitinally, only a tiny amount of less than 60 000 sales of Ford OHC sixes were made each year by Ford Australia. There is no way the OHC will ever have the parts back-up they have with the US Windsor 5.0. Even if people started putting DOHC heads on the tomorrow, they'd still have to wok over the electronics and gearboxes.

The Falcon OHC will never have the impact on Americans the way the 2V or X-flow has becasue it has advanced along its evolutionary path too far for the parts supply. The OHC is as far removed from the early ohv and X-flow Falcon sixes as a Super Bike is from a peny farthing!
 
I just got an ED OHC for the transit good thing is it will bolt in but i need to mod the fire wall to clear the intake

I was thinking of fitting a C4 behind it not a huge job but not an easy one either

I was going to use the 4.0 auto bell cut the rear of it so its the same length as the 250 C4 bell, get a 20mm alloy billet and machine it up so it will bolt to the front of the C4 and the shape the outside of the billet to fit into the cut down 4.0 bell, have it tig welded inside and out then surfaced to make sure its flat and use the 250 C4 flex and converter

But i changed my mind for a T5 as the vans already a mano
 
OK well from what I can gather you dont like the OHC 4.0L. I wasnt planing on using the original ford ECM, as 500hp is well out of the factory ECM's capabilities. A wolf 3D with hand controller will set me back about 1400 bucks and does everything I'll want it too and more. I live in australia and they come with manual T5's here so the gearbox would be a sinch, although is the T5 the same mounts as the T56 from a bellhousing point of view? I was only asking this question because looking at the ports, the 4.0L is heaps bigger to start with let alone once its ported, not to mention the obvious benifit of OHC. You say that they will rev 500RPM more, I'm a firm believer in piston speed and G's and they stay the same wether OHV or OHC if the stroke and bore is the same as well as rod length. The rocker gear is the only forseable hurdle for me as far as i can see from your post, I was going to run rollers and stainless valves, if I keep the valve length the same and rocker ratio the same, where is the problem?

I dont understand
 
Unfalconbelievable":2bug960i said:
OK well from what I can gather you dont like the OHC 4.0L.


No no, I love the OHC. :wink: It's one of the best engines around. It's just that if you want to do anything to it on a budget, it screams Noooo!


Any aftermarket computer system is inferior to the original, and if you think you are just going to spent just 1400 large and drive off with another 100 hp, your wrong. Dyno tune-ups are a long process. It needs to be set-up by an expert to make it see power if its modifed. I don't know half as much as the Ford engineers, and don't think adding 'go fast' bits will do the job unless you are prepared to spend another 4 grand getting the gear box sorted, the right diff, and then dyno tuning it.


If you don't mind getting the Typhoon or Tornada or optional XR6 T56 bellhousing and extension housing from Mal Wood Automotive, you can put a six speed there. The latest XR6 T56 is a dedicated conversion with the gearshift , main shaft and clutch, all of which have to be just so work.

The OHC rev range increase comes from having a lot less unsprung weight in the valve gear. There is no risk of stripping valve falcrums and studs. An X-flow has very heavy valve gear, and some of the the longest pushrods around. The OHC has a much more intense valve lift event, so it carries a lot more duration and lift every degree the valve is off the seats.

The specific power of the OHC for every rpm was actually very, very high. It peaked with the 1992 EB XR6, and it took 11 years for Ford to improve it. The BA exceeds it by raising the rev range quite a lot, and by adding a twin cam head with advanced variable valve timing. Even all that yields only a 4% improvement in efficency, but it takes a 20% rise in total rev limit (up from 5000 to 6000rpm) and a 9% rise in rpm at maximum power to get it there (up 400 rpm to 5000 rpm). Collectively, the OHC engine is 18% more efficient that the best X-flow.


The later BA's ran 244 hp from 243 cubes at 5000 rpm. The means of assessing efficeny is

RPM* CID
. HP.

The higher the number, the less aggressive the tune. Lower the number, the better.

At 243*5000
. 244HP. = 4979

The BA Bara 182 does 4979.

The EB XR6 does 5175

An XF EFI does 6097.

This method rates apples with apples.

Incidently, the DJR 320 has 330 cubes reving to 5300 rpm, then yields 429 hp. The effeciency is about 4076, the heighest efficency of any unturboed production engine, and close to that of a AVESCO race car (3595).
Basically, if you did eveything you could to an OHC, the best power you could get and still remain streetable is about 300 hp at 5300 rpm. Interestingly, thats where Dynoed 250 is right now with his 250, with coomon parts and an EB intake.

Past that rev range, both the x-flow and OHC engineS loose there ability to have anything other than a restricted power peak.


My summary isn't that the OHC is a bad engine. Like I said, the ohc is to the x-flow what a 265 is to a 250. It is head and shoulders above the x-flow in everything...except making big power for small outlay.


The cost of upgrades are significant, and a six speed won't do anything for your quarter mile time.

Preach over and out. Solly for being an egg!
 
Just to cap on a few things, I work as a mechanic at performance auto's in tassie and we have a dyno dynamics 4 wheel dyno at work and the techs to tune a car on it, my brother is an auto elec and can wire in the ECM, so theres a lot of money saved right there. My plan was around 3500 on block and bottom end and head, 4000 on turbo, intercooler, ECM, and fuel system. This car is a track car not a quatermile racer, anyone can drive in a straight line until you get to the 1500-3000+ monster dragsters, then you need skill. The extra gear would allow a higher ratio diff to keep the turbo spooled while still providing reasonable highway cruising and top speed for the track. Has anyone ever heard of Targa Tasmania? Thats what I'm working towards running this beast in eventualy. I think I'll just stick with the crossflow and get a slightly smaller turbo. From what i can gather a T04 with .6-.7 turbine AR and a .5-.6 compressor AR would be more like the bomb, not the T70 with .84 and .70 I've got now.

CHEERS for all the help guys, keep it coming
 
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