FSSP CamShaft Opinion/I buy Tonight

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Hello before I go ahead and order the camshaft tonight and clevite 77 bearings, I really want every one's opinion on which one they use and how it performs and they like it... I plan on purchasing EVERY SINGLE performance item they offer at fssp down to the nuts and bolts.

About the cams this is my first rebuild and I will be having someone help me who knows what there doing my first question is I notice the difference in these cams are some have a smooth idle, lopey idle, and rough idle. I really want some power added to this motor but I dont want to go overboard. I been looking at the CSC-274-SHS and the ARC-268-DH3 I have no idea what lobe centers means and all that... any feedback would be wonderful before I order the wrong cam=) I will even go with a 280 I have no problem with that I just need to know what kinda requirements it involves
thank you -gump
 
There's a lot more to selecting the right cam than just picking one by the numbers or going with a cam similar to what everyone else is running. The cam must be balanced to all other aspects of the engine build, tranny type, rear gears, type of driving, and so on. I would suggest reading these two links first, to get the basic idea. Then send me an e-mail and I will work with you in choosing the appropriate cam grind.

http://fordsix.com/recommendedmods.htm
http://fordsix.com/camtech.htm
 
GUMP, i think you need to give mike all the specifictations of your engine, such as compression ratio,carburetion & most is the application a stick shift or an automatic trans with a stock converter or a higher speed stall converter. to make a proper desion he needs to know all the info??
I'm sure mike will ask you the same questions. good luck with your engine.
mike has supplied very excellent service & parts in the past.
hope this helps in your choice. william :?: :?: :D
 
since this is about camshafts...i was wondering about a lumpy camshaft...does it give a nice lopey sound to it and not effect performance in a negative way? (of course yea it depends on the setup)...but as long as it doesnt sound like a rough idle...anyone ever try a lumpy cam...happy? non?
 
Big, lopey camshafts have that sound because of the increased overlap and cam timing that is optimized for higher rpm power. The idle quality suffers and the cam makes less power and torque at idle. Up to 2000 rpm, some performance cams actually make less power than the stock cam.

If you try to install a performance cam into a head that will not support the airflow requirements, your engine might have very poor performance at lower speeds. It gets even worse when you still have stock rear gears and a stock torque converter. It's all a system and a big cam that is not supported by airflow, exhaust, gears, cooling system, ignition, etc, could be a disappointment.

My advice is that less is better than too much in most cases. If you are torn between picking two cams, pick the milder one.
 
I am running a Clifford 272 and I have to admit that I think it may be too much duration (at least for me). Don't get me wrong, I love the sound and before I did all the head upgrades, it ran pretty good.

Now that I imprved the breathing of the head, I am having serious idle issues and may need to go to a higher stall converter.

Kind of makes me wish I cammed it down a bit...
 
thanks Jack...how can u tell if u have a high stall torque converter or not...i know mine is not stock and is blue (shiney too) and has the brand name TCS (or some sort of cobination of those 3 letters) is it possible to use a lumpey cam with a 2 bbl and ported/polished head and headers with a high flow exhaust system? would it be any more benificial than any other cam or worse? thanks again
 
You can get an idea of the flash stall speed by watching the tach, holding the brakes, and pushing the gas. The rpm where the engine "stalls" against the converter is the stall speed.

On a stock converter, it is around 1400 rpm. On a modified converter it could be anything.
 
:( i dont have a tach at the moment...but will be getting one in a couple weeks possibly....is it possible for a definition of 'stalls'...so i know exactly what i'm looking for..i know the car doest actually stall...i have tried a few brakestands (to no avai in the big beast)...and havent really noticed anything noticeable..so a high stall would be higher than 1400 RPM anyways though..
 
Installing the wrong cam is one of the most common mistakes among novice builders. The next mistake is not to degree the cam and installing it straight up (on the dots). Advancing or retarding the cam timing by one or two degrees can make a huge difference in how the motor performs.

I have guys e-mailing me all the time, asking for the biggest cam I stock, which is a 280. Many wonder why I don't stock larger cams. The primary reason they want a big cam, is because they want a lopey idle to impress their friends.

When all is said and done, I almost always recommend either the 264 or the 268 cam (various lobe centers), occasionally the 274, rarely the 280. To date, I've only sold two of the 280 cams, and both are for engines that will never see street use.

I have a 280 (110 lobe center) in my motor, but it rarely gets driven on the street. At best, maybe 200 miles per year, and that's it. Most of its road time is spent on the trailer. It has a very lopey idle, and coupled with the gear drive, sounds like a blown Windsor. Great for the car shows, but definitely not a daily driver. To pull away from a green light, the revs go up to three grand before I even think about engaging the clutch. Take it to four grand before engaging, and the tires break lose. Drop the clutch, stab the accelerator, and it's all smoke. Do this with a daily driver and you'll spend most of your time in front of the judge.

I'm going to take a stab at explaining all this in novice terms. Most of the explanations or replies are great, but very difficult for novice builders to understand. I won’t cover cam design, rather a basic understanding of what a cam does to affect an engines performance.

First, why do we add headers, more carburetion, bigger valves, higher compression ratios, three angle valve jobs, ported heads, etc. The answer is simple, to get larger fuel/air charges into and out of the motor. In other words, to make it breath better, which means more power.

A motor is basically a big air pump, the more air that flows through it, the more power it makes. But all the components must match each other to achieve maximum performance. Try looking at it this way. Stack three funnels atop each other, so that the first drains into the second, and the second into the third, all of equal size. When water is poured into the first funnel, it runs through all three at the same rate. The amount poured into the first is equal to that which drains out of the third. Basically, this is what you are trying to achieve when building your motor.

Small funnels will handle only a small amount of water without overflowing as its being poured in. Increase the size of all three funnels, and you increase the amount of water that will flow through them. Increasing the size of the second or third funnel without increasing the size of the first funnel, and the flow rate remains equal to that of the first funnel, with no change in the flow.

Now look at your motor the same way. The first funnel represents the induction system (carb, intake manifold, intake ports, etc); the second represents the cam and valve train, and the third, the exhaust system.

If you increase the flow capacity of any one, you generally need to increase the flow capacity of the other two to achieve the most gain in performance. Installing a huge 4V carb on a stock six without any other mods, and you simply overflow the first funnel. Which translates into little or no power gains, and quite possibly, less or undesirable performance. The same is true with a cam. Installing a large cam, which is not balanced to the airflow and rpm range of the engine, will actually decrease the engines performance. You might get that lopey idle and impress your friends, but I wouldn’t suggest giving them a ride home if you want them to stay impressed.

So what causes that lope in the idle that is so desirable? To understand this, you must first understand cam profiles. This is explained quite well in an article published on Comp Cams website. Hopefully by the time you finish reading it, you will have a pretty good understanding of how a cam effects your engines performance, and have a better idea of which cam would be best for your specific engine.

BTW, if anyone is interested, I have videotape, which explains cam timing, and how it’s done. It’s very easy to understand, even for the beginner. You get to see a cam being degreed and each step is explained in detail. Clay Smith Cams produced the tape and I sell them for $24.95 (my cost) if you want to purchase one, or I will lend the tape out with a damage/loss deposit.

Comp Cam article: http://www.compcams.com/Technical/TimingTutorial/
 
thetrueslayer":153wxsqq said:
is it possible for a definition of 'stalls'...so i know exactly what i'm looking for..i know the car doest actually stall.....

Flash stall is the point where the engine has a tough time revving any higher. This is not something you want to do for any extended length of time. Braking against the converter like that leads to high internal pressures, high temps, and could balloon the converter and break it so don't just stand on the brakes and gas. And you will need a tach. Otherwise you are only guessing.

Mike, great description.
 
I bought a 280 cam from Clifford, I always intended my car for strip use only, very little street use just to and from the track. Needles to say I'm dissapointed, even with the massive porting job I did the engine runs out of steam at 5500 rpms, next time I'll get a milder cam. BIGGER is not always better. :(

Alex
 
But if anyone comes about making a step bye step Start to Finish rebuild on video tape I will buy it=) I learn very much bye actually watching someone doing it and me doing it to.. that would prolly help alot of people because a book only tells you so much=) and a video u can say every detail on what to do and what not to do
 
Did you degree the cam? And have you tried retarding the cam a few degrees to bump the curve higher? I'd try between 2 and 4 degrees retarded to see if that helps the revability.

Bolt in a 280 cam straight up or trying to crutch the bottom end by advancing it a few degrees and you could end up with an engine that doesn't like to rev.
 
Alex, sounds to me like a flow imbalance, or major ignition/mixture issue. Probably needs a cam ground off your flow numbers for inlet and exhaust.
 
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