Hi from Russia! straight 4 to straight 6 upgrade: Q's-n-pics

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Hi everyone!
I'm from Moscow Russia and own 1972 'Volga' sedan - 4.8m long, no frame, 2500cc r4 and manual tranny [Russians call this car 'Barge' and consider it to be HUGE]. Here are the photos: http://e-g.comtv.ru/my24.jpg
Well, straight 4 isn't... Well, you know what i mean. And manual tranny.. hmm.. too. So, I'm thinking of ordering Ford' 200ci straight 6 like this one http://www.digisys.net/fordfan/Falcon/62Futura.html with a C-3. The only question is if it fits...
Here you can see the engine compartment: http://e-g.comtv.ru/carcar3.jpg
As Volga's pistons are packed into cylinder sleeves, the engine is bigger than it would be of Ford' design. That's why I guess Ford' R6 would fit. So.. Could anyone please tell me the length of 200ci Ford' engine (with and without pump attached)?
Thank you in advance!!
 
Greetings! Welcome to the forums.

The 200 is approximately 770mm long, including the pump.

However, wouldn't it be easier and probably cheaper to use an inline six from an Opel, BMW, or a Mercedes? Certainly the performance would be better, as is the variety of transmissions.
 
Thank you for your reply! Well you see, Soviet engineers COPIED Ford's inline 6, but... cutting two cylinders.
So I know THIS engine well :) And it will fit perfectly!
 
Emm.. one more silly question.
Is 170 ci engine shorter (smaller) to 200 or identical?

Thanks!
 
the 170 and 200 use basically the same block, so they are exactly the same, they'll bolt right up
it's the same story with the 144
 
I see. If i'm not mistaken it's better to get a late 200 - with 7 bearings?
And... Was C-3 tranny used with this engine?
What t.converter is better for 200+c3? (calm street and highway ride)

Thanks!
 
yes, the seven bearing block is more desirable, and i'm not sure if a C3 was ever mated to a 200, it's possible, the C4 was more common though
 
The C3 is a light duty transmsission found in 4 cylinder Pinto's and Mustang II's but not with the 200. The better transmission is the C4. It's the least expensive, most common, and very durable.

All but the earliest 200's have seven mains. I would get the newest one available.

Since you have to import this engine anyway, have you considered an Aussie Crossflow or OHC six? Much more power and the design is related.
 
Thank you people for your answers!!

About OHC, Aussie engines etc...
Well..
You see, I'm in Russia.
It's not hard to get a good Am engine here... Aussie - much harder.
My aim is to implant a *simple and durable* engine with *simple* automatic tranny - I would be able to fix'em with my own hands and knowledge. Heh - I'm sure I won't be able to fix modern MB, Opel etc engine or electronically-brained tranny...
So.. Simple - cheap - durable....
 
That link is to a BigBell long block made between 80-83. It has a low mount starter and only came with a c-5. Fine if it will fit and you get the right tranny. c http://fordsix.com/bigbell.html

sorry, I looked again it's a high mount block with the later Big Bell head. Should be fine, dunno about the remanufactuer.
 
Ahhh, Russia!

In Dunedin, a bunch of Russian sailors got a couple of the EH Holdens, placed them in there ship,

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and exported them to Vladivostoc!


I guess its the wrong side of the Federation!


Tell you what. You get me one ZIL limo, and I'll get you as many Ford sixes as you want... 7.7 liters of overhead cam V8, OHHHHHHHHCCCCC!!!!!!


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OHC? :shock: :shock: :shock:
pushrod 300 bhp.... :lol:
BY THE WAY, could anyone please explain the differences of 200ci engines? I mean 'high and low mount', 'big bellhousing' etc...
:)
 
Oh, you are correct. Oh well, 470 cubes can't be bad!

I'm working on some pen drawings of the various breeds of the XK2000 family tree. It starts at the little 144, then goes 170, 200, 188, 221, 250, 3.9 liter and 4.0 liter OHC's. The 4.0 DOHC Falcon engine is being made in Australia with over 320 bhp. The front drive Topaz/Tempo and early Taurus cars used four cylinder versions of these from 1984 to 1995, 2.3 and 2.5 liter ohv engines called the HSC.


There are lots of changes because a six cylinder engine can easily have the crankcase width altered, the cam position raised, the width of the block modified, and the amount of space varies with block height.

There are five deck heights in inches (1"= 25.4 mm). All have similar 30.3" (770 mm) bellhousing to front water pump pully.


Type 1. XK 2000 Falcon
7.808"= 144, 170, 200, US from 1960 to 1984 (200 from 63-84).RHS High mount starter until C5 transmission in 1980. Seven main bearings after mid 1964 on 200's. 170 had Seven main bearings after 1970. Bell patterns were 132 tooth flywheel till 1965, and then got bigger flywheels with 134 teeth in 1968, then 148 on some. Last Big Bell in 1980 was 157 teeth. 2.75" x 6 bolt crank .

Type 2. XR 66/ Argie
8.425"= 188, 221, Made only in Argentina from 68 to 95, Australia from 1968 to 1971. RHS High mount starter. Seven main bearings. 160 teeth, bell pattern different from US as it allowed 9.5" bellhousing. 2.75" X 6 bolt crank flange with 4 bolt bellhousing similar, but not the same as the US 1968 blocks. Had sought after Maxi Eccono (ME), Super Performance (SP), or plain Log heads.

Type 3. US 69er 250
9.469"= 250/4.1 Log American I6, 1969 to 1979.RHS low mount starter. Real tough specially enlarged front crank snout, with special gears and cahin, and cam spaced far above crank counter weights. 6-bolt US Small Block V8 bellhousing with the bigger 3" x 6 bolt crank flange

Type 4. XY 71
9.380"= 200/250 (3.3/4.1) Log, 2V, Crossflow Australian engines from 1971 to 1993. Similar to US 250, but with less deck height, low mount cam and RHS high mount starter.Crank snout same size as XK 2000, so much smaller than the front of a US 69 250 crank. Cam not as high in the block as the US 250. About 9.5" wide at the crankcase, about an inch narrower than the US 250. 4-bolt Australian XR66 bellhousing but with the bigger 3" x 6 bolt crank flange. This makes 1966 to 1993 Falcon OHV engines the same at the back.

Type 5 FWD I4.
8.630"= 2.3HSC I4-cyl. Five main bearings. Designed for Mazda transaxle.

Type 6 FWD I4.
9.380"= 2.5 HSC American non-crossflow I4 engines from 1986 to 1995. Designed for Mazda transaxle.

Type 7 EA26 OHC.
9.220"= 3.2/3.9 OHC and 4.0 OHC/DOHC, LHS high mount starter. Seven main bearings. Odd ball metric crank bolts but 3"x 6 flange, with 5 bolt bellhousing. Unlike any other block. Cranks varied from 10 couter weight to 12 counter weight versions, later DOHC variants were not interchangable, while bearing diameter and rod length increased in 1998.


Widths vary from engine mount to engine mount is about 9", but the US250 engines are about 10.5" from mount to mount. The sumps vary, with about 9 types.They are not interchangable between types. Dipstick positons vary on Cortina Sixes (Taunus), and the non-cross flow blocks are 5.59" wide at the head gasket, but about 7" wide with the Crossflow or OHC engines.

Someone like the Schendahl brotthers can fill you in on the valve sizes for the sixes. There are some very big valves on the later American engines after 1974.
 
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