Holley TBI Kit

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Anyone try this?

http://www.holley.com/950-19S

For a simple installation either using a funnel adapter or modified log, this looks pretty complete and slick.

Yes, I know all about MegaSquirt, Haltech, SDS, Electromotive, etc. Personally, mine's getting whatever 1bbl carb works that I pull out of the box sitting on the shelf.
 
That would be pretty cool.....Dang now you got me thinking about building a second motor....... :twisted:
 
We used Holley's 950 ECU (almost the same unit) to control this EFI-engine

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and we feel that it was basically plenty of an ECU to run ; but I would recommend the wide band lambda upgrade to it.

It may not be the best nor the most feature rich, but it propelled us to some fun times last summer.

A MSquirt would do fine too, but possibly more work in return of the savings.
 
Muki":emzfqy8o said:
We used Holley's 950 ECU (almost the same unit) to control this EFI-engine.


I had no idea there were so many wicked cars in Finland!!
 
Heh, if you allow - a slightly political (but in historical context) joke:

Try living right next to the big state (you know which one I mean) ; thus, it is only smart for Finns to build fast cars, should the need arise to run fast.

But your observation applies to all Scandinavian countries. Drag racing has been and is quite popular here. Cold long winters provide us with plenty of spare time, and the summer is so short that it makes sense to go the 1/4 quickly - to allow more runs.

But in regards to the original topic, the Holley 950 did work, and the engine was a 12.5 CR alu-rod based on a crate LS-6 (although we only used the block and head castings) and the camshaft was a VERY aggressive mechanical roller, intake lift .750" ex .731".

Tuning the ECU - hmm - I'd say on scale of 1-5 it would be a strong 4. You could get just about anything necessary done, but somehow the software felt a little clumsy.

The 950 we used was a model specifically meant for "cobbled up" EFI's such as ours. The Enderle throttle body is an actual 14-71 and the tunnel ram had injector bungs epoxied on. I think that the TPS we used was from a Cadillac (circa 90's) and a bunch of other stuff more or less collected from various sources.

An EFI system such as that provides absolutely scary throttle response. There is no way I could describe it well enough. In fact, it was almost undrivable because of the aggressiveness. When you open barn doors and inject fuel through 72 lbs injectors into an engine like that, exciting moments are bound to happen.

It was such a mad rush to drive, that I actually never had enough guts to really push it hard. I only managed to run a best of 11.672 out of 10 runs, and to be honest it was that slow only because I was scared to h@ll.

A friend with more experience in racing took it for a show run and went 10.90 with a full 1/4 mile of smoking rear tires. Although he races normally a HUGE BB Chevy with all the goodies and several hundred hp more, even he said that it was a particularly aggressive engine.

Heh, we even cut off the last 1500 rpm of the engine and had mechanically limited the throttles from opening all the way.

However, in terms of air flow the limited throttle opening did not really "limit" anything that much.

It was fun, but my taste regarding performance is well catered with only half of that power. Honestly.

Throttle response improvement CAN be very, very aggressive even in milder motors when going from carbs to efi.

MSquirt or a commercial product ? I think it really boils down to the extent of work and specifically time one is willing to put in. There are so many succcess stories regarding MS that it just has to be darn good for most if not practically all uses in the hobby dept.

But does it really compete with a commercial product ? Obviously in most cases it does, but the far-out guys might need stuff that's not yet included.

Personally I have become a bit more oriented towards buying a ready solution, but that's probably due to approaching middle age, losing hair and gaining weight. But knowledgeable friends have now for a very long time strongly recommended and used MS in quite diverse applications.

Regarding the EEC-IV in most Fords, I would be hard pressed to change into another solution before fully investigating what paths the EEC-IV - preferably in MAF form - would allow. Frankly, I think that it caters to all of my needs very well.
 
Muki":3fngbj4d said:
Heh, if you allow - a slightly political (but in historical context) joke:

Try living right next to the big state (you know which one I mean) ; thus, it is only smart for Finns to build fast cars, should the need arise to run fast.


Actually, as far as the History books in the USA are written, Finland has usually been able to do a little Russian ass-whippin' from time to time! :lol:
I believe a more appropriate use would be to be able to get away from work quickly to go enjoy Sauna!!

Muki":3fngbj4d said:
and to be honest it was that slow only because I was scared to Hell.

Scared you all the way to Hell, NORWAY ??!!??
That sounds like an efficient means of travel!! :wink:
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Thank you ! Kind words but they do in fact have some historical significance. It is true that especially during the Winter war the Russians must have been quite surprised at the outcome. Their original intent was to take over Finland in a matter of weeks - they even had scheduled victory parades in Helsinki, the capitol ; but 6 years later they still hadn't managed to do it.

Reasons why that happened are complicated and in some cases related to superpower politics and the activities of german troops, causing U.S.S.R a lot of grief in that direction. In a way you could say that Finland was saved from a worse fate much thanks to hyperactive germans at the time. Had things been different, oh well...the thought scares me.

I can only wish the best of luck to people living in that place which has such an odd name to it, as the road sign shows. But at least we know now that it is actually cold in there, not hot as we've been taught. No wonder there's the expression about hell freezing. Must be that the norwegians have something to do with that expression.

Hmm, our sauna's are usually closer than a 1/4 mile from the house ; but when it's hot, and you're waiting your turn in the lineup, things can get pretty sauna-like inside the cabin of a typical drag race vehicle. Most don't carry A/C afaik.

The Power Of Internet. It Can Take One From A Purely Technical Discussion To WWII History Digging.

:D
 
<- Proudly 1/4 Finn :wink:

I *live* for Sauna.

I recently moved......need to build a new one!
 
woah...well in that case take a flight and get yourself here for the 29th of June - 2nd of July to see some great drag racing action. Many days of fun, ranging from street driven cars to Top Fuel. I will provide you with accommodation (we have a big house almost totally empty) and about 100 miles to Finland's best race track. Seriously, if you're interested, won't cost an arm and leg because the accommodation is for free. And the "Nitro Nationals" is a very nice event with racers from all over the Europe. To see more, visit http://www.fhra.fi

Seriously, if you can (and want to) make it, I will stand behind my words.
 
Linc's 200":2eeosiiw said:
A MegaSquirt is much cheaper and puts that system to shame

I've been reading about the megasquirt. ( It reads like an engineer's holy grail). And reading, and reading, and reading... :roll:

They repeatedly indicate that it is ONLY the controller - no injectors, no sensors, no fuel system - nothing but the electronics. I'm impressed - to the point of being overwhelmed. They DO mention that the Holly system computers are reputed to fail frequently.

So, I'm curious. Could you be a bit more specific? A megasquirt - coupled with any particular scavenged fuel injection setup?

My '82 is a pre-computer carb'd (dinosaur). It seems it would be fairly simple to retro fit FI, and Holly and Edelbrock are some of the few who offer a "complete kit" for such.

I can see the benefit of having the advanced capabilities of the MS, but cannot find (anywhere) a "package" that includes the actual injection components.
 
summit does sell the 950 ecu for $350 as a replacement part.....

but that $1200 does include pumps and wiring and all too. unless you scab together a bunch of junkyard parts you would prob have about that into a MS setup. say you were doing a port setup using new parts (would you trust a 10 y/o used efi setup on a turbo car?) between a set of injectors, pumps, sensors and MS box you could hit an easy grand....and that last $200 could be spent on wiring pretty easy too (a dozen nice wetherpack plugs and about 100' of wire is not cheap)
 
All that is true, but if you are a GOOD scrounger you can find all kinds of needed parts for next to nothing.
 
so are these holley ECU's problematic? because $350 for one of their boxes is very competitable with a MS (and theirs does do igniton and seems to have a nice user interface also with data logging) my only concern would be what kind of plug they have on the ECU itself (as all the sensors are GM I am sure) also their setup is TBI and not TPI so if you wanted TPI there would be additional wiring needed anyways. also if running a boosted app I think the holley requires a 2-3 bar MAP and I would prob upgrade the pumps to a higher pressure/output.
 
turbo_fairlane_200":38an2tg5 said:
a MS.... also their setup is TBI and not TPI so if you wanted TPI there would be additional wiring needed anyways.

All kinds of folks use Megasquirt on TPI/multi port injection.

BUT.... it is "batch fire", (so on a V-8, 4 injectors on one side spray at once) versus sequential where each injector fire in the same firing order as the ignition.
 
Some guy on eBay is selling "stand alone" TBI kits based on stripped down GM/Chevy pickup truck throttle bodies and computers.

It is wired very simple, maybe 20 wires total.

Some problems are:

Speed density (very fussy with engine combos if you get too many cubes off from original)

When I worked at two different auto parts stores, we were selling rebuilt GM computers ALL THE TIME. I never sold one single Ford computer in either store in 4 years.
 
my 2.3L EFI setup I had in my merkur prob had less wiring (batch fire port injection) granted after you trimmed out the EGR, AC control, fan controlers, knock sensor and get it down to the basic functions and it really cleaned up things ALOT (around 20 wires total)


linc do you happen to know what the holley ecu's are based off of? hacked GM boxes or anything?
 
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