Holley TBI

It should work with what you are planning. The one thing I noticed is that the Ford distributor required to work with the Holley TBI has to be a TFI, unless the DUI distributor that Mike sells can be substituted. XFlow_Fairlane reworked a 2.3L 4Cyl TFI distributor to work with the 6 Cyl so you could use that.

Check this out: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=53733&p=427140&hilit=TFI#p427140
 
The distributor requirement appears to be because it also controls the timing. All the systems they list there have a spark control input to the dizzy. It may be worth a call to davis or CI to see if they could custom build such a thing. They may already have all the parts in house and would just need to put them together. If they cant it should not be a big deal to modify one but I would kind of hate to have to throw out some of the parts of a new dizzy I just paid a premium for. The 7 pin Gm modules are about the same physical size as the 4 pin one the dui uses. The harness is different and there is no vacuum advance. There is also no weights and springs.

My guess is the system would work with a standard duraspark or dui, you just wont get timing control. Most of the time you can parallel both the original ignition module and the ecu input to the same pickup coil.
 
Well, Well Well, Dan. Glen found some AU dizzy's for the 200 & 250 that will do with this. The only prob. is that I would have to modify the shaft with a bushing so it will work on the US block which has a larger diameter. Now, the COOL thing is that the Billet dizzy fully dressed with cap and wires...........................$120 AU.

Not bad.
 
Bayrunner,
Sounds like a good deal for a billet dizzy. Then I'd say go for the TBI. It will give you better fuel control over a carb, and the Aussiespeed intake will give you mixture distribution equivalent to MPFI.
 
Dan, yes. My thoughts exactly.

Jack, I will do. Holley has their info online so I will download and compare.

Thanks Guys.
 
When you convert a standard dizzy to electronic timing you have to lock down the mechanical and vacuum advance in the proper position so you are firing when the rotor is aligned with the terminal on the cap. Not a big deal, but something you have to fabricate and align yourself. If possible I would run the original dizzy till you at least get the engine to idle and rev well. MS can do it , not sure about the holley. It would depend on what it wants to see for a tach signal. The more things you can eliminate as a possible problem on a new setup (especially your first) the better and the sooner you will be on the road.
 
The Holley TBI was just a kit I found that was interesting. MS is probably much more programable and user defined. MS is definitely more proven. MS is probably my way into the project. I was just amazed that even a company like Holley is looking into the future of technology and options.

Cheers
 
Holley has had TBI kits since the early 90's. The commander computer based system has been around for at least 4 years now. I have never seen or worked on one myself. MS is for sure more configurable but thats also its downfall, there is a bit of a learning curve just to get your basic setup running. The tuning part is pretty simple.
 
Can I suggest EDIS6? I've been running it on my crossflow for a couple of years now with no troubles at all. Might look trick too if done right. I've got the pattern for the 36-1 trigger wheel if anyone needs to have one lasercut.
 
wagon":nmn51kf0 said:
Can I suggest EDIS6? I've been running it on my crossflow for a couple of years now with no troubles at all. Might look trick too if done right. I've got the pattern for the 36-1 trigger wheel if anyone needs to have one lasercut.
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What ECU are you using with the EDIS6? Megasquirt, Megajolt, or a stock unit? If it's either megasquirt of megajolt, do you have the ignition file that you could email me?
 
rocklord":93smejua said:
The one thing I noticed is that the Ford distributor required to work with the Holley TBI has to be a TFI, unless the DUI distributor that Mike sells can be substituted.
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WE now carry a DUI-EFI Distributor, that will work with any TBI application. Basically its the same as the DUI distributor, but it has a 7-pin Dyna Module. The internal weights and springs, and the vacuum mechanisms have also been removed. Only problem, it's a bit pricey. http://classicinlines.com/proddetail.as ... D200%2DEFI

In the near future, we're going to look into making our own billet TFI dizzy's, as well as crank triggers. :)
 
Good thread! :beer: My girlfriend wants to restore a 65-68 stang convertible. I'd like to use this or similar Fuel injection and a 200 inline for about 150-175 hp. Id someone ends up using this please post results!
 
Why is it more complicated than this? Get a 4.3L TBI off ebay for $125, an ECU from a 87 to 94 chevy truck for $50 bucks, a used sensor group for $20 dollars, and the distributor from Mike (or something compatible). Then call one of the many companies out there that will burn a chip for this application, and your on your way. Sometimes things are made to sound so brainy here. People like Howell make a fortune doing this all day long, for folks who don't need the latest cutting electronic technology. And it works great, with a ton of cheap parts. If you figure out a cheaper alternative on the distributor, your in the EFI club really cheap. Although Mike's stuff is the best, and you get the best of both worlds all in one dizzy, great spark and EFI compatible. The chip will cost you around $150 dollars, but they will work with you until its right, and you can verify they have it right if you choose to monitor it with an optional AFR system. It's doesn't have to be rocket science.
 
Well, I'm glad you have it figured out already and can afford to be condescending.

For the distributor, a 2.3 OHC TFI dizzy will work if you put a 200 gear on it and swap the reluctor from a V6 on it. Search for "200 TFI" for the exact instructions.

EDIT" linky! viewtopic.php?f=51&t=53733
 
I ckecked my info and the used sensor packs are $50 dollars, if anybody needs references, I will provide, the most common ECU is 1227747.
 
Broncitis":2o3ltb2y said:
Why is it more complicated than this? Get a 4.3L TBI off ebay for $125, an ECU from a 87 to 94 chevy truck for $50 bucks, a used sensor group for $20 dollars, and the distributor from Mike (or something compatible). Then call one of the many companies out there that will burn a chip for this application, and your on your way. Sometimes things are made to sound so brainy here. People like Howell make a fortune doing this all day long, for folks who don't need the latest cutting electronic technology. And it works great, with a ton of cheap parts. If you figure out a cheaper alternative on the distributor, your in the EFI club really cheap. Although Mike's stuff is the best, and you get the best of both worlds all in one dizzy, great spark and EFI compatible. The chip will cost you around $150 dollars, but they will work with you until its right, and you can verify they have it right if you choose to monitor it with an optional AFR system. It's doesn't have to be rocket science.
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You have done this yourself? Or have worked closely with someone that has? I would love to hear more.

I tried it. Seemed like a great plan to start with. Had $850 into system that never ran over a 2 year period. Never got anything (including my money back) but excuses from that company. Ended up with an old Holley system that took 1/2 a day to get running. Eventually upgraded with a MS. Leaned a lot about tuning and EFI in the process. I have not yet run into anyone that knows both efi and carbs. They are different enough that if you learned on one its hard to wrap your brain around the other. Most of my progress has been from working with an old time carb guy. He was able to tell me what he thought the problem was and I was then able to go into the computer and tune it. He was quite impressed and said he wished he had tools like that back in his hot rod days. Most of the carb guys are stuck in carb mode where some things are a constant and other things just cant be done. With EFI almost nothing is constant and jsut about anything can be done with some systems.
 
Howell is just a name I threw out there, there are at least a couple more doing the same thing, I'm sorry you had a bad experience, you match a TBI and injectors to size of engine, the biggest problem you have left is getting a proper chip, its done every day, I guess I will find out with my next project so I can say I have done it to meet your requirements, it will be awhile, I was talking to MIKE last night about it, but its a bent eight with possibly two small TBI's or the larger 454 TBI being sucked through a mp112 on a small block chevy, I will try this route because it is so much cheaper than my last route.
 
Wow, I did not mean to cause havoc!

Just my humble opinion, since I asked the question. Factory ECU is not my thing. I do not want someone burning me a chip. That limits you to what ever that particular tuner is capable of doing/knowing. I am a control freak! I want to be able to control my own tune at all times.

Thus, NO Factory ECU.

Through my research.....should I say more research. The Holley system is limited with respects to power adders, controlling other inputs, plus it is pricy for what you are getting. The Accel system is nice! BUT Real pricy. But Nice because the developers have allowed you to be able to tune power adders, more inputs ie. fans, water pump, etc AND the TRANY! This is not for all. BUT, if you would like to have 1 ECU control both the engine and trany....Well WOW, the power is there. The draw back is that it has not sold well so the R&D has not been tested on the street. Dare to be a guiney? The cost is over 2K?

Lastly....the MS has the power to do everything you can think of.....Except the Trany! Who needs an electronic trany anyways? Well, it is nice to be able to tune the trany shift points, fluid pressure, Stall lock etc.......but for about $400, you can do this by purchasing an aftermarket trany ECU. Not as nice as having 1 E"CU do both....but, everything is a compromise!

Cheers
 
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