How a cam Lobe Seperation angle works!

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Here is a buildup and dyno on a 305 Chevy. Despite it being a V8 it may still be useful for a comparison tool for a couple of reasons. I has a longer than usual stroke a 4" bore and relatively small cubes.
Notice the huge inlet valve recommendations along with the small exhaust valves. For example my 250 2V has a nearly identical exhaust valve size but only a 165" inlet compared to these.
The Lobe seperation angle on the cam is very narrow. Notice it causes the torque peak to drop off quickly while the HP figures continue to rise long after.

www.goingfaster.com/spo/343hp305.html - 16k -
 
Correction not a 4inch bore a 30 thou over bore 3.766 inch. Closer to the square bore proportions of a 250 6 than I previously thought and with less room for the bigger valves.
 
Well done Tim. I know benchmarking cams isn't always fruitfull, but a duplicate of this on a 2v 250 wouldn't do any harm.

Going over the figures.

This 310 cube engine developes power at a very high rpm. The specific power isn't that high. The composite factor I use, which indicates brake mean effective pressure and volumetric efficency, is only 5649. Some siamese port Minis with 87 cubes trip the 135 hp at 7000 rpm mark. The factor here is 4500 or so for one with a big carb and a screamer (but still streetable) cam.

Take rpm times cubic inch displacement and divide this by hp. The factor is around 5220 for a stock BA DOHC six or V8. I'm finding that its rather rare for an OHV engine to trip the 5800 mark unless it is well matched.

The fraction of max power revs over maximum torque revs indicates a neat, wide torque band, with a well spread power band. It's what all of us should be aiming for! And any engine that does over 1.1 lb-ft per cube is not to be sneazed at.

What I really like is that this 10 year old magazine article shows the sort of cam needed for a long stroke, small bore engine. Remember that the L/R ratio is about 1.64:1, much better than our 250's.
 
Using traditional hop-up techniques, Lunati's goal was to achieve maximum performance at an affordable price from the 305 small-block in a non-emission-controlled environment. The engine should be capable of running on the street...

This motor is laughable. Why anyone would fool with a 305 is beyond me. For the same weight, the same $$$, and using the same parts you could be using a 350 block and heads. And putting a long cam with such a narrow LSA in a street motor is simply foolish.

This motor is yet another exquisite example of the fine art of turd polishing... :roll:
 
Super,

Isn't that kind of the same arguement against hopping up a 200/250? For the money I've spent hopping up the six, I could have a mildly build 289/302 making 250 BHP vice my six of around 150 BHP when it's all said and done.

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Working out the 200 has everything to do with enhancing the performance of a classic car. I'm not aware of a classic anything that came with a 305. Our sixes are about weight advantage, technical simplicity (and superiority), and being different.

I suppose hopping up a 305 is different, too. Different like wearing boogers on your sleeve...
 
Supermag
I hope I havent upset you too much. Where all about sixes here on this Forum, who knows the 305 might have disintergrated at 6600 rpm or rattled to bits or even popped the head off I dont know. It must have run OK at least once to get the figures.
Id like to re-apply some of the technical input in this engine into a SIX.
Cheers, Tim.
 
Tim, YOU haven't upset me. What's upsetting is Lunati slapping a 350 semi-race cam in a 305, filling the tank with 108 octane and calling it good for the street just so they can sell cams to everyone unfortunate to have a 305 in their Firebird. What's upsetting is CarCraft walking hand in hand with this lunacy. And that bit about machining a 305 head to accept the valves that come stock in a 350 head. Wow. (Just like the 350 block, the 350 head is the same damn casting as the 305!) I should damn well hope they can tune a 305 ci motor for 108 octane and make 185HP at 3,000 RPM...

Calming down...
 
Supermag
Sound like you know what your talking about. Do you think the 340 plus HP figure is not true? What about some of the other specs. Im intersted to know what you think?
 
You asked for it... :lol:

First of all, I think the SBC is a damn fine engine; it's been the standard of V8 performance to which all others have been compared since it was introduced in 1955. Yup, that motor is 48 years old...

Second, let's examine this mythical beast known as the high performance "street motor".
The engine should be capable of running on the street, with decent idle characteristics and low-end torque. For longevity and practicality, the engine ought to develop peak power at around 5500-6000 rpm.
To me, a street motor is just that; it will withstand the rigors of driving across town without overheating, puking, or stalling. The test is simple: (1) Will it run on pump gas? (2) If you install it in front of an automatic transmission, can you use the stock torque converter? Let's be honest- if you answered 'no' to either or both questions, you have a race motor on your hands. The Lunati engine in the article is definitely not a street motor, and it certainly does not fulfill their own objective. I don't have a clue as to what they mean by 'longevity', as the stock bottom end and iron crank of the SBC will be pounded to death in a very short period of time at 6000 RPM. And I'd be interested to know their definition of a "smooth idle".

You need a bigger cam to make this small cylinder work, but there are limits due to the small displacement. Fortunately, the relatively long stroke for this displacement engine helps low-end torque, so the engine isn't all that cam sensitive.
Maybe at 10.25:1 compression. Lower that to a streetable level and tune the motor for pump gas, and I'll doubt that motor would run worth a damn below 1500 RPM. Not good if you're running a stock auto-tranny. And why would you turn around and reverse the primary characteristic of a cam like this by sticking it under a dual plane manifold and a small carburetor? This is an engine in conflict with itself.

This business of LSA: A cam with a lot of overlap (like theirs) runs well at high RPM because the overlap is conducive to flow through/scavenging. At high RPM, the flow through the engine is of very high velocity and carries a lot of momentum. Narrow LSA, long overlap cams make their best horsepower with large, single plenum manifolds, and oversize carburetors. That lopey idle that so many guys are enraptured with is the result of inconsistent cylinder filling, a direct result of too much overlap and duration. These guys have stuck on a dual plane manifold to keep intake velocities up in an effort to just make the thing run at low RPM. So what you have is a seriously compromised motor that burns a lot of gas. These guys would have a much better running engine and could get a "corrected" 343 HP in a much more reliable manner by using the right block and heads. Would have cost 'em less, too, 'cause they wouldn't have had to rework the heads.

On a motor that spends the vast majority of time under 6000 RPM, the type of cam that works best is one with a wider LSA and lots of lift, the idea being that at low RPM this high velocity flow is diminished, so you have to compensate by maximising the event of each individual valve event. This is accomplished by lifting the valve as high as possible to let in as much fuel/air as possible, and separating the intake and exhaust events a little more so as to more efficiently evacuate and fill the cylinder.
 
Its good to get my feet back on the ground, thanks for elaborating. I suspected that my 2502V would have problems with that LSA with the big ports and low manifold vacuum at idle. Might sound nice but 112 would be better.
Oh I doupt they advanced the cam as they said for those readings I think they meant retard which would cause it to peak higher in other words about 230 at 50 duration not 220.
 
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