Is it a 465 or a 570cfm 4bbl???

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Pulled my new Street Avenger carb out of the box today expecting it to be a 465 or 470 cfm as I was told it would be and it is a 570 cfm according to the box.
Strangely when I search the net I could many listings for a 570cfm street avenger carb but none for a 465 or a 470.
It has bores fractionally under 38mm compaired to a 390s 36.5mm and a 600s 39.5mm so it does seem about right for a 465cfm??? Anyone?
 
It's really no big problem, as it'll be a 285 cfm carb most of the time.

In the old jetting post, http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8106, there was a bunch of listings in line 11, 18 and 19 which showed primary,seconday and venturi sizes.

The 570 cfm is a new listing based on the old 4160 series 550 cfm carb used in the early 70's. It combines a 1.5" (38.1 mm) bore with a 1.1875" (30 mm) venturi, along with a better annular discharge boster venturi, which picks up another 20 cfm over the earlier truck type booster they used to run

Line 18|#4160-|550|4-bbl-|1.5000--|1.1875--|

The orginal 550 was a 4160 carb designed to fit in the gap between those who found the 465 cfm too restrictive and the 600 cfm too big. In the 231 to 300 cfm area, the only option was to make a smaller throttle bore 600.

That looses 50 cfm through a 62.5 thou (1.5 mm) smaller throttle bore, and 62.5 thou smaller primary and 125 thou (3mm) smaller secondary venturis

Old 600 listing had specs

Line 19|#4150/60|600|4-bbl-|1.5625--|1.25000--| On the secondary side, -|1.5625-|1.3125-|

Old 390 had listings

Line 11|#4150/60|390|4-bbl-|1.4375-|1.0625-|


The newer 570 is really a smaller 600 cfm carb. Cars with the Valiant style 245's used in the AMC's like carbs around this size. You'll rember the settings you list many moons ago that had a 600 carb on the 245 AMC engine.

In a light car, you'll get no bogging down low, and no problems with idle quality with a 570 cfm. The standard jet configuration on Holleys is often the total venuri diameter, divded by 20 for little carbs like the 390 to about 18 for a 600 to 850 carb.

In your case, it should come with 62's all round. That will give good power to about 225 hp with much better low end characteristics thanwith a 500 Holley, and much better part throttle economy.

Hope that helps.
 
Thanks xtaxi, that is a help. I studied your list of bore and ventury sizes carefully and based on your list (not the box or the 570 stamp on the carby) Im certain it is a 450-465 cfm carb. The reason is that a 550cfm has a 1.1875" primary ventury and a 1.2500 secondary ventury.The 450 (the 465 on the graph is listed as a 2brl?) has 1.0938 ventury.
Its hard to measure with my tools but its definitely not 1.2500 its appears to be 1.0938. The difference of 4mm is easy to see.

Since it appears to be a 450cfm carb what jets would you recommend for that 225hp you were talking about. The specs that came with it says it has, a 54 primary jet, a 65 secondary jet and a 85 primary power valve.
Thanks Tim.
 
If it is a Street avenger carb it will a 4150 listing and 80570 stamped on the choke horn it has a quick change secondary spring and will be 570 cfm

It will have a 1.5" bore and all 4 are the same size venturi is 27mm

( i have one on my lap as i post this)
 
GASSED260, Thanks. I wish you would tell Hume performance this as they have been marketing there 80570 Street Avenger carb as a 465cfm in parts peddler magazine for years now.
I phone them today and they said that when they first got these in stock they pulled one apart to measure it to make sure and it was exactly the same as a 465cfm. He tells me that Holley market them as a 570cfm and that there is a 550cfm Holley carb but no street avenger 550 or 570cfm holley carb.
If anyone is able to tell me how a 570cfm carb can match the same dimensions for ventury and bore as a 465cfm and still be a 570 I would be very interested?
Still, if Holley are marketing it as a 570cfm when its not it makes carb choice suspect and confusing???
I dont consider myself an expert but I would like to be certain on what I have?
 
Maybe the air goes through faster 'cause it's shinier? :?

Tim, why aren't you tooling around with EFI?
 
Tim and GASSED260, any one who says a carb as you have described is 570 cfm is telling Pinochio lies, or porky Pig tales.

You blokes had better get refunds from Hume, because the only way a 4-bbl carb with 27 mm venturis will flow 570 cfm at 1.5"hg is if it has the Dominator carby conversion with deleated choke horn and smooth radius entry top, and if the main venturis are then ground out to 30 and 31. 8mm.

This is no bull, mates. The figures you've both given are not for a 570 cfm, and I'd go straight to court on the info I've got.

The factory method is to dial in 1.5" of mercury vaccum, and see what the cfm is at that pressure. a 4-bbl Holley won't go over 300 feet per second air speed at that pressure drop. This means that any venturis or throttles smaller than the 550 listing won't flow 550 cfm. The booster venturis on early Holleys are fairly restrictive. There is about 15 to 20 cfm difference between the Ecconomiser veturus and the later annular ones.

Oh, and Tim, the line 14 on the sheet is wrong. 465 is a 4-bbl.

In addition, the 550 cfm does have a 1.25" secondary venturi. Sorry about that.

Sorry addo, back to you buddy. Ya cannae change the laws of physics.

Deano
 
Addo
i dont like the shine on it much as it shows up all the small irregularities underneath. street avenger is just normal holley carb with extra bells and whistles some people reckon there not worth it. Was only about 50 dollars extra for street avenger in this case.
As for EFI Im on a slow learning curve give me another 5 years experience and I might be able to do EFI and get a Hi Lux lower ratio diff moded to fit as xtaxi once suggested.
Good to hear from you Addo
and thanks xtaxi.
 
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