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eggman918
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I can't think of anything "In House" but maybe Ford/New Holland might have a Perkins in that displacement range.
Depending on your power needs vs weight/length you might be able to run either the MB om617 it's in your displacement range but coaxing more power from them goes only so far, the Kubota V-2203 is a mechanical DI turbo and they have been removed from refer units due to fleet emersions but they can make pretty good power but are only 2.2L.
Now that being said When it was time to put a diesel in me '68 F-250 Crewcab I chose the 3.8L Cummins 4 over the more common and cheaper 5.9L 6 to keep the vehicles weight distribution more favorable requiring a bit of work to the 4 cyl but in the end it was worth it at least to me.
What power level would you be happy with, diesel swaps has been my "gig" for the last 10 years or so and I have a pretty good knowledge base as well as some real smart friends that know much more that I do.
Depending on your power needs vs weight/length you might be able to run either the MB om617 it's in your displacement range but coaxing more power from them goes only so far, the Kubota V-2203 is a mechanical DI turbo and they have been removed from refer units due to fleet emersions but they can make pretty good power but are only 2.2L.
Now that being said When it was time to put a diesel in me '68 F-250 Crewcab I chose the 3.8L Cummins 4 over the more common and cheaper 5.9L 6 to keep the vehicles weight distribution more favorable requiring a bit of work to the 4 cyl but in the end it was worth it at least to me.
What power level would you be happy with, diesel swaps has been my "gig" for the last 10 years or so and I have a pretty good knowledge base as well as some real smart friends that know much more that I do.
InlineDave87
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Yup i wanna say 2019... a 3.3l i believe... had some issues which i think the biggest one was lack of sales... i dont think they were advertised cause i never saw it on TV and i was looking for a nee truck for my wife and the truck i was looking at turned out to be a F150 diesel
benchracer
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ford started putting 3.0 in 2019 high end f150
OK perkins I know: 4.108 (& so named)
OK MB: OM617 justaboud 3L
1st industrial, marine (Carrier chiller into the '90s I think)
2nd the 300TD wagon (5 cyl million mile motor).
But this 3L diesel sounds like the heep (may B?) a motor made in Brazil? Can even get it 'create' but should not B here under "ford". Must Ba 60* bent6? New in 2009 or so? again, not ford~
Whadaya doin Perry?
"PS 3L ford diesel" may B in-the-planning right now?
OK MB: OM617 justaboud 3L
1st industrial, marine (Carrier chiller into the '90s I think)
2nd the 300TD wagon (5 cyl million mile motor).
But this 3L diesel sounds like the heep (may B?) a motor made in Brazil? Can even get it 'create' but should not B here under "ford". Must Ba 60* bent6? New in 2009 or so? again, not ford~
Whadaya doin Perry?
"PS 3L ford diesel" may B in-the-planning right now?
I believe ford had a 4.5 powerstroke v6 in cabover trucks. I saw one at a dealership one time. They're basically a 6.0 powerstroke minus 2 cylinders.
aussie7mains
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The Nissan TD42 is a shit hot inline six engine greatly regarded here in Australia, its tough and has fairly good performance, its not much bigger than the 250ci inline six. The 3 litre car type 4 pots are generally regarded as rubbish especially the more modern common rail engines, they blow up regularly here and get replaced with the TD42. There is also the Nissan SD33 inline six and the RD28 inline six too, they both came in the Nissan patrol. The rd28 was used in taxi in Japan. The industrial engines like the Perkins and Kubotas will have different governing to what is needed in automotive use. If your not concern by NVH issue the isuzu 4BD1 is a 4 litre 4 pot which is a great heavy duty engine, buts it shakey and noisy. There is one other nice smaller in line six and thats the navistar/mwm sprint diesel, its 4.2 litres urbo and has good power. e had them here in the F100s in the late 90s, very nice engine, better then the V8 lump at the time.
Don't forget the 2H and 1 HZ Toyota boat anchors
aussie7mains
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Yeh, not as good as the TD42, from memory the 2h was a bit of a dog, screw in injectors? The 1hz has belt drive cam and injection pump? TD42 was originally a bus engine, two oil filters, oil cooler, and piston cooling, bulletproof, even if only 88kw. Later td42 are direct injection I think.Don't forget the 2H and 1 HZ Toyota boat anchors
Yeah the TD, 2H and 1HZ all had screw in injectors. Yep 1Hz was belt drive off the pump.
The TD42 is more robust than the Toyotas.
aussie7mains
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Here in Victoria the patrol is the prefered 4by and the Td42 is the prefered donk. I worked at Ford dealer fro a while when the f100 was around, the MWM sprint diesel was a really nice engine, SOHC 3 valves per pot, turbo, much quieter than the V8 and almost as much power, there a re still a few running around. The nissan zd30 is a lump of poop. Give me a old fashioned non turbo direct injected jerk pump any day. perkins 6354 was a good think, even if as slow as a wet week. (DPA pump) For industrial use IMO you cant go past a Deutz or MWM.
we use the cummins 12v the same way. Drop it in anything, make some smoke (cuz it's a rotory not vein pump, ie non puter controlled)
Here in late'70s/early 80s the mentioned nissan motor was used in a light truck division (went out of business, only the big guys left now) but a lill smaller SD32 (no turbo) and SD33 (turbo?). Vehicle called Scout or ScoutII ('81, 1 yr and '82 last yr) by International Harvester. (Navistar, then CaseIH, now CNH an Italian/merican co).
Here in late'70s/early 80s the mentioned nissan motor was used in a light truck division (went out of business, only the big guys left now) but a lill smaller SD32 (no turbo) and SD33 (turbo?). Vehicle called Scout or ScoutII ('81, 1 yr and '82 last yr) by International Harvester. (Navistar, then CaseIH, now CNH an Italian/merican co).
aussie7mains
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Cummins is too big for any of our utes, the big f series and its ilk are very expensive here, most people buy 4wd Nissans or Toyotas. Cummins is 5.9litres much like a modernised perkins. Japanese trucks are VERY popular in the 4.5tonnes GVM area up to around 38t, then the Kenworth, Western star Volvo take over and go up to about 120t GVM. A lot of heavy trucks are B doubles, thats two semis, then of course we have road trains up to 3 semis, but they are not allowed in metro areas, they can go up to 120t, thats 264,000lbs for you guys.
"...most people buy 4wd Nissans or Toyotas..."
those are larger than they ever were now:
www.nissanusa.com
It seems ridiculous untill the wrk UC them asked to do.
As 'mall craw', no (ur 'utes'), but that is not the ppl i men-
tion putting them in an ol 1T p/u to use goose neck trailer
or w/haulin 12T back hoe, etc. One fella here took a Detroit
Diesel out an ol intercity buss, swapped in the 12v & an allison
auto "to go sightseein". He calls it his 'camper'. I did most the
spray (closed cell) insulation on the stripped walls he laid 5/8
T&G board over. Thing hasa spiral staircase over the motor in back.
8^ 0
those are larger than they ever were now:
2023 Nissan TITAN & TITAN XD V8 Full-Size Pickup Trucks | Nissan USA
Introducing the 2023 Nissan TITAN and TITAN XD: truck harder, truck safer. Discover what makes the TITAN lineup stand out from the pack.
www.nissanusa.com
It seems ridiculous untill the wrk UC them asked to do.
As 'mall craw', no (ur 'utes'), but that is not the ppl i men-
tion putting them in an ol 1T p/u to use goose neck trailer
or w/haulin 12T back hoe, etc. One fella here took a Detroit
Diesel out an ol intercity buss, swapped in the 12v & an allison
auto "to go sightseein". He calls it his 'camper'. I did most the
spray (closed cell) insulation on the stripped walls he laid 5/8
T&G board over. Thing hasa spiral staircase over the motor in back.
8^ 0
aussie7mains
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We dont get those monsters here, ours are considerably smaller, we do get the 4.5litre v8s in the toyota and the Nissan patrol. check here:-https://www.nissan.com.au/vehicles/browse-range/patrol.html"...most people buy 4wd Nissans or Toyotas..."
those are larger than they ever were now:
2023 Nissan TITAN & TITAN XD V8 Full-Size Pickup Trucks | Nissan USA
Introducing the 2023 Nissan TITAN and TITAN XD: truck harder, truck safer. Discover what makes the TITAN lineup stand out from the pack.
It seems ridiculous untill the wrk UC them asked to do.
As 'mall craw', no (ur 'utes'), but that is not the ppl i men-
tion putting them in an ol 1T p/u to use goose neck trailer
or w/haulin 12T back hoe, etc. One fella here took a Detroit
Diesel out an ol intercity buss, swapped in the 12v & an allison
auto "to go sightseein". He calls it his 'camper'. I did most the
spray (closed cell) insulation on the stripped walls he laid 5/8
T&G board over. Thing hasa spiral staircase over the motor in back.
8^ 0
I dont think Australia is ready for the tanks just yet, keep in mind we pay $1.95/litre for diesel fuel and $1.75 for petrol (gas). thats nearly $8 gallon for you. 5th wheelers are quite rare, and motorhomes are generally on things like Iveco light truck chassis. Nobody would attempt to tow a 12 tonne excavator with a f series, if we want to do that we buy a proper truck and low loader. Our laws on this sort of stuff are pretty rigid, and policed.
here's a quote from 1 of my other forum that might B 'exclaimed' from our different job sites:
"...there's a difference between Farmer Joe towing a big combine (20,000lb) with his '76 F150 from the field to the farm 3 miles away, and towing a backhoe that is twice over the max weight the truck can tow for 200 miles......"
On any given Sunday you might see these trucks at "the tractor pull events", fairs or festivals. Just like the ol draft horses we like to groom, put on the shiny hames/harness, and trot them out for 'relaxation' & show. No smoke but just as fun~
"...there's a difference between Farmer Joe towing a big combine (20,000lb) with his '76 F150 from the field to the farm 3 miles away, and towing a backhoe that is twice over the max weight the truck can tow for 200 miles......"
On any given Sunday you might see these trucks at "the tractor pull events", fairs or festivals. Just like the ol draft horses we like to groom, put on the shiny hames/harness, and trot them out for 'relaxation' & show. No smoke but just as fun~