Starter for 250?
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they're the same
http://fordsix.com/tech/engine/200_swap.php
Jack has used a mini-starter from a SBF for his 250
http://fordsix.com/tech/engine/200_swap.php
Jack has used a mini-starter from a SBF for his 250
The best one would be from a later 5.0 mustang.
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I asked the NAPA man and he says the 250 Six Standard tranny starter is the same number as the one for the Automatic 302 VeeAte but the Standard Tranny 302 VeeAte is different! - Got that?.
More questions:
The six uses only the 157 tooth flywheel but the VeeAte's can have 157 or 164 tooth. Do both 157 and 164 veeate's use the same starter?. How about automatic tranny's - same ??.
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Some pieces of info here:
- Most Ford starter cases seem to be pretty similar and interchangeable. Seems like Ford used same cases and just altered the end plates and internals on them. I have had vee-eight (260/289/302, 390) and I6 (200, 250) starters on the table side by side and disassembled.
- starters for automatic trannys seem to have longer ends (thus are longer in total length too) and axle, and the drive gear lurks more out of the case while in rest. Install automatic starter in place of a manual starter and you may have the starter spinning all the time if you get that far; I bolted a 260 auto starter to 260/manual/157 combo once, and starter's end plate iced the flywheel totally when I bolted it down. So, automatic starter can be used with manual trannys but it needs a little backing off from the bellhousing, i.e. some 1/4" adapter between the starter and bell will need to be fabbed.
- manual starter w/auto tranny; possibly the gear won't reach to the flexplate teeth and it is a no go. I wouldn't even test it, think if it partially reaches the teeth - might grind them away.
- 157 and 164 flywheels may have same starters but I'm suspicious until somebody explains why Ford Racing states the mini starter NOT to fit with 164 but works with 157.
This is just something I've seen in my garage, the truth can be elsewhere as always.
- Most Ford starter cases seem to be pretty similar and interchangeable. Seems like Ford used same cases and just altered the end plates and internals on them. I have had vee-eight (260/289/302, 390) and I6 (200, 250) starters on the table side by side and disassembled.
- starters for automatic trannys seem to have longer ends (thus are longer in total length too) and axle, and the drive gear lurks more out of the case while in rest. Install automatic starter in place of a manual starter and you may have the starter spinning all the time if you get that far; I bolted a 260 auto starter to 260/manual/157 combo once, and starter's end plate iced the flywheel totally when I bolted it down. So, automatic starter can be used with manual trannys but it needs a little backing off from the bellhousing, i.e. some 1/4" adapter between the starter and bell will need to be fabbed.
- manual starter w/auto tranny; possibly the gear won't reach to the flexplate teeth and it is a no go. I wouldn't even test it, think if it partially reaches the teeth - might grind them away.
- 157 and 164 flywheels may have same starters but I'm suspicious until somebody explains why Ford Racing states the mini starter NOT to fit with 164 but works with 157.
This is just something I've seen in my garage, the truth can be elsewhere as always.
Well the NAPA online catalog lists one starter for Auto & Manual and the Advance Auto lists a number of different types all carefully designated Auto for one part number and Manual with a different number!. I ordered one from NAPA but am concerned 
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductList ... or=Starter
http://www.napaonline.com/masterpages/N ... SubCatId=4
Why can't it be simple...Like me.
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http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductList ... or=Starter
http://www.napaonline.com/masterpages/N ... SubCatId=4
Why can't it be simple...Like me.
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The deciding factor is the bellhousing not the motor. The different years and trannies determine what the stock bell/flywheel combo is.
-- I lost a starter on a 64 Futura years ago on a Sunday so i went to a junkyard that was 50/60's Ford only (the guy really knew his fords) and he gave me a starter from a 390 auto and said change the starter drive and tip to your 200 stuff and it'll fit just fine. The starter motor was huge but bolted right in. Only problem i had was that i had to give it some gas everytime i cranked it to kick out the bendix cause the starter spun the engine over at about 1500 rpm's. --(really cranked up good). Used to be the small sixes and the big eights used 1 bolt pattern on the starters and the big sixes and small eights used the other.
--I have a 78 Fairmont 200 but that starter(2bolt) won't fit because i am useing a 2.77 bell(3bolt). So i use a starter from a 66 Mustang 200/2.77 to get the combo of larger starter motor and 3 bolt bell since the 144 starter didn't last long on the 9.7/1 compression 200.
-- I lost a starter on a 64 Futura years ago on a Sunday so i went to a junkyard that was 50/60's Ford only (the guy really knew his fords) and he gave me a starter from a 390 auto and said change the starter drive and tip to your 200 stuff and it'll fit just fine. The starter motor was huge but bolted right in. Only problem i had was that i had to give it some gas everytime i cranked it to kick out the bendix cause the starter spun the engine over at about 1500 rpm's. --(really cranked up good). Used to be the small sixes and the big eights used 1 bolt pattern on the starters and the big sixes and small eights used the other.
--I have a 78 Fairmont 200 but that starter(2bolt) won't fit because i am useing a 2.77 bell(3bolt). So i use a starter from a 66 Mustang 200/2.77 to get the combo of larger starter motor and 3 bolt bell since the 144 starter didn't last long on the 9.7/1 compression 200.
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