to forge, or not to forge

level3porkproducer

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when should you change to forged pistons. they look really cool but i just cant justify the cost right now. im trying to figure out when i need to work them into my build. right now im pretty stock 200 ci 67 stang. but i have plans in the future for a turbo and possibly nos. i read somewhere that the 200 came with forged rods. is this true?
 
All depends on how much revs you'll see and how close your engine is to detonation. Stock Ford spec stuff will last a long time on even a 150 hp, and its only past that where extra insurance is needed.


In the USA, you've got three step up choices...stock Sliverlite pistons in flat top Tempo 2.3 or tall deck 8 cc 4.2 (255) V8 to 200 hp, then go to aftermarket new old stock 12 to 6.5 cc TRW's forged pistons from 250 to 450 hp, then get some custom Ross/Wiseco forged after about 450 hp

As long as the clearnace is right and the ring gaps suit the rev range, and you don't have a suspect cast alloy aftermarket piston with slotted compression groves at the top of the piston, you should be okay to about 200 to 250 hp with Ford cast pistons. There have been a two noted failures with the Tempo HSC 2.3 piston, but our I6 engines are often set up with stock clearnances for rings and pistons, and there is evidence from other 200 cube engines that the stock Ford figures are not ideal for performance engines which see upwards of 5000 rpm often.

If you change to what we called overseas (Australian) Duralite cast alloy pistons (15 to 27 cc dish), or better still, change to Mahle based coated cast alloy pistons like ACL or ACL Race (4.5 cc dish) , you can see up to 450 hp. After that, we then go to a forged TRW/Sealed Power/Ross/Wiseco.


What people are finding is that forged pistons are likely to be set up incorrectly for clearnance due to a lack of information on when ring flutter starts. So if you have a piston clearanced for 5000 rpm, then it'll destroy the bore or piston at 6500 rpm. A cast alloy piston won't take over-reving for long.
 
Seriously, my (short) opinion is good hypereutectics and torque plate honing.

When you break that, you're doing really well! FTF has a lot of passes on a set of hypers.
 
There was some discussion recently on hypereutectic pistons; I think one brand was criticised somewhat. Harte3 spoke in favour of Federal Mogul units. Here, people use ACL - which cost a bit more.

Torque plate is a thick gasket-shaped metal plate that's bolted onto the head with the headbolt holes. When it's tightened, it creates small bulges in the cylinder walls - just like when the real head is installed. Thus, the bulges are honed out. It ensures superior roundness of the bores.

Here's one: http://www.toptron.com.au/JUN/s14jun22/ ... 0plate.JPG
 
8) unless you are going to be turning above 7k rpm, or making enough power to run in the low 12's with a six, you dont need forged pistons. a good cast piston will do just fine.
 
I'll call ACL tomorrow to check on pricing and availability for their Race Series cast pistons. They just happen to have a Regional Distribution Center here in Phoenix.

I can also get pistons coated (tops and skirts), since Jet-Hot bought out HPC about a year ago and now offers that service in their Phoenix plant.

ACL Race Series Performance Cast Pistons

Suitable for street, track, sprint and marine use, ACL Race Series Cast Pistons come complete with high strength piston rings and feature the following:
  • Lightweight design for improved engine acceleration and lower bearing loads
  • 30% stronger than original cast pistons
  • High silicon aluminium for high strength and low expansion
  • Lightweight tapered pins
  • Most pistons contain pressure balancing grooves
  • High strength moly filled or nitrided steel top rings
  • Long rod and stroker versions available
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