What kind of HP are you 200 guy's getting?

[FALCONAROUND]

I want to know what kind of HP over stock you guy's have gotten when you've ported, larger valve'd and modified a log head on a 200 CI engine?

I am going to rape my 200 for every ounce of TQ and HP I can get, naturally aspirated of course.


Thanks for your replies!



FE

 

[falcon fanatic]

Much more and still not enough Of course, I have a stock cam and I think the head is just not being utilized to it's potential. You can read my impressions here:

http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43240

 

[wsa111]

With my combination about 155-160 HP.

Guys with Mikes head, probably close to 230-250 HP. Bill

 

[FALCONAROUND]

Thanks Guys. 230-250 with 200 cubes? or 250 cubes?

 

[Anlushac11]

This is the intended setup

DFL=Dry Film Lubricant coating
TB=Thermal Barrier coating
OD/TD=Oil dispersant/Thermal dispersant coatings

1978 block bored .030" over
Stock rods polished and lightened with ARP rod bolts, OD/TD
Stock crank turned 10/10, main and rod bearings DFL coated
Cast pistons, DFL on skirts and TB on top. DFL on wrist pin bores
Premium Moly rings
Classic Inlines Clay Smith hyd 274deg duration turbo cam
hi-rev hydraulic lifters, lifter shells DFL
Classic Inlines double roller timing chain, DFL on gears
Stock Melling oil pump
Custom fabricated windage tray, OD/TD coated

Head setup not finalized but will be some variant of a ported log with port fuel injection with a 96 Mustang V6 throttle body and 36lb/hr injectors.

Stock 84 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe T3 turbo .48/.60 set for 8lbs boost

Some Ebay special intercooler.

Will run E85

Goal is to hit 200hp, anything over 200 will be considered part of the bonus plan.

 

[FALCONAROUND]

Wow, that sounds cool! 200 hp with a turbo sounds simple. You're starting with 120 bone stock...

I am not a reacer yet, so please tell me what this Dry film lubricant is, and the thermal barrier, (what is it and how does it basically help you) and the oil dispersant (what is it and why use it)

That would help me a lot.

 

[MustangSix]

Wow, that sounds cool! 200 hp with a turbo sounds simple. You're starting with 120 bone stock...

Actually you're starting with a lot less than that. 120 at the flywheel, maybe if the stars were perfectly aligned, the flux capacitors were fully charged, and you bribed the dyno operator. Most real world test show about 70hp at the wheels with about 90-95 at the motor. The published power rating was "exaggerated" to say the least.

OTOH, ~175-185 hp with a blow thru turbo should be pretty easy.

 

[FALCONAROUND]

Well then, I'm going to have to get my flux capacitor tuned up and aligned with Venus

I want a true 200 HP out of my 200 CI! Gawddamn 351 cleveland can put out 650 HP, and 302's can do 400+ there should be no dang reason I can't get 200 out of my 200... There is reasons but I'll overcome them

 

[wallaka]

Judging from Linc's 1/4 times, it is easy to get 200+ flywheel hp with a turbo. Even with a 1-bbl carb.

With his best time, it was closer to 300 (with the 1-bbl!). But that involved more exotic tricks.

 

[Broncitis]

Falconaround, if you want a sure 200 hp and very streetable, do a good long block build, arp rod bolts, roller timing, flat top casts, 0 deck the block, bolt on Mikes new al head, run the 264 110 LS cam and a good 4 barrel around 450 to 480 cfm and your there, you will make 200 hp before or at 4800 rpm, of course their are a few other thing to consider, but this combo has already been proven on the dyno, personally if you really want performance, quit messing around with the log, if you want to spend endless hrs trying to get good flow numbers and adapt different things use the log head, otherwise bolt on that al head, it was a bargain for me if time is worth anything to ya.

 

[FALCONAROUND]

Oh no, you've got it wrong you see. What if I wanna go "Real" Old School?

Yeah! That's it!

Maybe I wanna pull some big #'s with original stuff, and go genuine old school on y'all, that way I don't have to stab you in the eye with a Soldering Iron...

Weren't no silly aluminum heads for the 200 back in the day....

Besides all that, I want a big old UGLY intake manifold, no better way to get that than to make it myself...

This is a REAL home made Hotrod! A true rat among mice Not something I'm trying to do on a budget, but something I want to accomplish for my Falcon and for ME

P.S. sorry for going off topic

 

[Broncitis]

Better get to work then.

 

[FALCONAROUND]

hehehehe, been at it almost a year and have no better clue how to attack this than last year this time...

Doing a lot of question asking though Getting good answers too! But, if I just wanted power I'd go to a 460... nothing top's cubes...

 

[PaulS]

hehehehe, been at it almost a year and have no better clue how to attack this than last year this time...

Doing a lot of question asking though Getting good answers too! But, if I just wanted power I'd go to a 460... nothing top's cubes...

If you haven't already milled the intake log off your head, you can mill it to accept an adapter for a ford (or Holley) two barrel,Put in a nice cam (something that will breathe to around 5500 RPM) It may take a custom grind but thats not too expensive, pistons for 9.5 compression with a good quench area, build a scraper and bolt it just inside the pan rail and you should be able to make 1 HP per cu".

 

[FALCONAROUND]

Nope, y'all don't get it do ya? This is not a bold and go power that any chevy guy can manage. This is a true hotrod build. my garage, with my tools (except for machinging the surfaces and installing the valves...) everything done by my hands that can be done. nothing bought but the cam grind

Don't that sound groovy???

 

[rommaster2]

Ha, and I remember you saying you were going to try and keep the six build on ford muscle .

What I do know is that the few that have milled off the intakes for thier sixes are running turboed ones but are showing similar results to those using the aluminum heads. The Aluminum head still probably has a slight advantage but assuming you know at least a little about what your doing when building the intake (at the very least you could just copy the design of an aussie one) then you should be able to make an improvement.

 

[FALCONAROUND]

I'm trying to keep th build Here AND on FM

I'll not be copying anything that I can do myself, but I'll need everyones input in order to make the best choices for my combination.

I still have this discussion open at FM, under the "200 build" and the Open V/S Dual Plane plenum post.



FE

 

[Anlushac11]

Nope, y'all don't get it do ya? This is not a bold and go power that any chevy guy can manage. This is a true hotrod build. my garage, with my tools (except for machinging the surfaces and installing the valves...) everything done by my hands that can be done. nothing bought but the cam grind

Don't that sound groovy???

Is your garage wired for 220/230?

You could probably squeeze a mill into one corner of the garage that way you would still be in your garage using your tools.

Here's an idea for you. Not a perfect solution but I bet it would work.

Mill off the log, make a adapter plate of aluminum of say...1 in bar stock.

Bolt it on with angle head bolts so that the plate surface is smooth.

Mark , drill, tap, and port match to bolt on Classic Inlines aluminum 4v intake onto the adapter plate. In essence making a plate bolted on the ehad that would allow you to bolt on the CI intake to a modified log head.

I would use 1" thick stock to allow you to extend and raise the port and blend the port to the intake.

Ideally not the best solution but when you dont have $2000 for a head and intake people like me can come up with $300 for a intake.

 

[FALCONAROUND]

Of course I'm wired for 240, that's what my compressor motor run's off of.

Milling it off like that would make for a biach of a time doing the exhaust, or is that another bolt on piece?

Not going to go that route just curious.

Can't afford a milling machine anyway

 

[Anlushac11]

8)

Im going to get log intake milled off but try and leave the exhaust alone so I dont have to fabricate a exhaust manifold.