What starter for 250/T5?

[tjnavyblue]

I haven't seen anything to the contrary, but am I right in thinking I can just use a standard SBF starter for my 250/T5 combo?

Something like this?: http://www.amazon.com/TYC-1-03205-Start ... sbs_auto_3

 

[xctasy]

No, that's specifically an auto starter, okay only if you have an AOD and 164 teeth flywheel.

Which one of three options did you use to go to T5?

Option 1: You'll have the 157 teeth /250/ 9.5" clutch with the 1968-1981 flywheels used behind Toploader/RUC and SROD optioned L code 250's and C code 4.1's. The bellhousing was the stock Top Loader bellhousing. Add the Trans Adapt T5 spacer, and you can fit the Ford T5 gearbox.

Option 2: The other option is the 1985-1993 164 teeth 5.0/10" clutch T5 combo, but you have to find a flywheel without the 50 OZ unbalance . A source for this is the 164 teeth item found on some 4.9 f100/150/250 trucks, where it has no unbalance. Use its recomended starter.

Option 3: Is to use the Ford T4 or SROD ex Fox Body Mustang item.

 

[powerband]

I haven't seen anything to the contrary, but am I right in thinking I can just use a standard SBF starter for my 250/T5 combo?

Something like this?: http://www.amazon.com/TYC-1-03205-Start ... sbs_auto_3

My 250/T5 (C5DA bBH/ 157T FW) setup uses a "modern" 90's Mustang PMGR (permanent magnet gear reduction) "mini" starter. AFAIK there are only two different starters for SBF's and 250's - 60's/70's had length difference for std vs manual tranny. Measure the starter mount flange to ring gear distance to determine which one. (It's been awhile since I intalled so I memory is failing but I think all later starters are same length ( as" early" automatic type).

Smaller PMGR stater provides improved clearances.

60's SBF starter on 250 w/headers:

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90's PMGR starter :

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[powerband]

I found this in my notes, may have some truth:

Seems like very early engines had a M.T. starter. At some point in time ford changed things and most manual trans take the auto trans style starter. Ford made the auto style standard for everything. 66 mustang 289 uses the auto style. 5.0 engine uses the auto style. A 3124 starter would be auto trans starter but fits most late engines with manual trans. A 3132 would be a M.T. starter.

Measure the distance from the mount face of the starter to the farthest protrusion of the starter gear. If it measures 3/4" it's an AT. If it measures 3/8" it's a MT. The MT has the shorter nose and the nose will usually hit the starter ring on the flywheel on more modern engines especially your 5.0.

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[tjnavyblue]

Thanks Powerband - helps a ton.

I ended up snagging a stock PMGR from a 1992 Mustang with a T5 - looks just like yours.

Modern Driveline backs up your thoughts:

" Early Mustangs were mostly 157 tooth, but some were 164 tooth, as well as, other Fords and trucks. 157 tooth flywheels in front of both the automatic (A/T) and the manual transmission used the same starter. This same starter was also used with the 164 tooth automatic transmission. It is only the 164 tooth in front of a manual trans which used a different starter (3/8" depth)."

Link to the rest of the article is here, for future searchers: http://www.moderndriveline.com/Technica ... ersion.htm

Basically - if it can be used with an automatic, it can be used on a manual with a 157 tooth flywheel, and vice versa.

 

[tjnavyblue]

Xcstasy: I used a zero balanced 157 tooth flywheel (on ebay for $45), and the bellhousing/T5 from a 1993 Mustang GT.