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HEI ignition

Post #1 by Charlie Cheap » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:27 am

I am installing a GM style HEI on my modified 200 in a 65 Mustang. The car is built ground-up for interstate highway running, not MAX HP. It looks like running a hot wire direct from the battery to a relay, then to the dizzy is the best setup for max spark. The plugs will be opened up to .045" with Ford spiral-wound 9mm wires. The carb is a 2100 Autolite 2-barrel (287 cfm), the bore is .060" over (had to due to broken ring on #6) and the exhaust is far less restrictive. With 26.5" rear 15" tires and 2.83 gears, 25 mpg is easy. I just think a hotter burn may help MPG, HP and cleaner running. Anyone already done this? THANKS![img][image][/image][/img]

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Re: HEI ignition

Post #2 by powerband » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:34 am

I'm a fan of using the GM HEI module with a DSII it's a simple and reliable setup. Can be wired directly from the ignition switch just by replacing the SS resistor "PinkWire". NA or forced induction, starting, idling or WOT the HEI ignition module fits my specs'.

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Re: HEI ignition

Post #3 by 63falconATX » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:46 pm

Say Powerband, what can you tell us about that last pic? Any details on that SC setup?

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Re: HEI ignition

Post #4 by powerband » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:35 pm

Not my thread -

... lots of posts on my forced induction projects - mostly asking for help. Maverick 250 with Vortech V2 and homebuilt Holley 4412 2Bbl blow thru. Running 5-10 lbs boost currently. Previous 250 with BOP derived Turbo setup blew piston ring lands off @ 20 lbs boost 8)

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Re: HEI ignition

Post #5 by wsa111 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:40 pm

Charles, for maximum economy & performance your HEI needs desperate attention.
The calibrations are way off unless you purchased one from me.
You only get what you pay for. Bill
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HEI / DS II hybrid ignition

Post #6 by chad » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:06 pm

"...Anyone already done this? ..."
yes - go fast for less dot com.
He shows all the HEI / DSII hybrid needs as I remember (10 yrs ago, now?).
Schematics, components, etc.
AND
I don't recall him doin it as U describe...
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Re: HEI ignition

Post #7 by powerband » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:37 am

"...Anyone already done this? ..."
yes - go fast for less dot com.
He shows all the HEI / DSII hybrid needs as I remember (10 yrs ago, now?).
Schematics, components, etc.



... components needed are the HEI module, DSII distibutor and a few wires.

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Re: HEI ignition

Post #8 by Econoline » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:09 am

I have the DSII/HEI combo with a TFI coil. I ran mine off a relay thrown by the ignition wire. The module is fed through the relay from a fused wire from the battery. I was concerned about the old wiring in my van and wanted to ensure it got full juice. Works great.
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HEI 4 pin w/DSII hybrid ignition

Post #9 by chad » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:26 pm

this seems like an ideal to some of us. What are the coil 'needs' ?
(I've heard 'troubles' w/the ford thin foil).
When my ford DSII bx goes I'll get the HEI 4 pin...
wanna know if I can keep the same coil.
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Re: HEI ignition

Post #10 by powerband » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:46 pm

DSII 12V coil is suitable, any full 12V coil should work with the HEI. Favorite these days are the "TFI" coils but even the points/resistance wire coil could work with separate HEI 12V - AFAIK' . 4 Pin HEI modules require adequate heat sink to maintain reliability.

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Re: HEI ignition

Post #11 by 63falcon4drwagon » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:10 am

I run a 1976 Ford Fairmont 200ci small cap distributor with a 4 pin GM module mounted on the shock tower.
The 4 pin GM module will run with a high ohm Ford coil but HEI ignition is designed for use a low ohm coil.
An external .5 ohm HEI coil is what I have bee running for a few years.

"To get the HEI module to properly function and use all its features like current limiting ( at 5.5 amps-3.6 ms) you must use a .5 ohm coil.
Although one of the better modules it also is a lazy module and will run with a higher ohm coil , it just wont go to current limiting control without the low ohm coil."
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Re: HEI ignition

Post #12 by CZLN6 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:22 am

Howdy Charlie and all:

I sure like your setup from your description. I don't know if your rewiring will give you a hotter/stronger spark or not. I think not. To get a stronger spark you will need a hotter coil. I used the "Blaster" coil from MDS on my build with a DS II and standard FoMoCo module. The coil came with a hookup clip for super easier connection.

FYI- If you haven't had the centrifugal advance in the distributor recurved to compliment your engine and set up you are leaving a lot of punch behind.

I hope that helps.

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Re: HEI ignition

Post #13 by woodbutcher » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:08 pm

:bang: I know that I have read what year/years the GM 4 pin modules were on,but I just don`t remember.Could someone please refresh my memory?Thanks.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
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HEI ignition

Post #14 by chad » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:41 pm

"...what year/years the GM 4 pin modules were on..."
some '72, standard acc. all models in '73.
Not sure when ended. (Didn't it crawl up & under the Cap in '80s - those "tall phriques")?

Chrysler had ele 1st in '60 I believe (was it the Dart or what was B4 in that model?).
Ford also early in it's FE motor ('62?) but GM got it together w/this 1. (Delco developed & eventually
all others kinda followed it).
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Re: HEI ignition

Post #15 by woodbutcher » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:46 pm

:D Hi Chad.Thanks for your efforts.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
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Re: HEI ignition

Post #16 by JackFish » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:06 pm

63falcon4drwagon wrote:I run a 1976 Ford Fairmont 200ci small cap distributor with a 4 pin GM module mounted on the shock tower.


A '76 Fairmont eh? That would be a rare duck. :lol:
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HEI ignition

Post #17 by chad » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:26 pm

JackFish wrote:
63falcon4drwagon wrote:I run a 1976 Ford Fairmont 200ci small cap distributor with a 4 pin GM module mounted on the shock tower.

A '76 Fairmont eh? That would be a rare duck. :lol:

yeah, '78 wuz 1st 1, but I claim:
Granada ('75) as 1st' foxbodied'.
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Re: HEI ignition

Post #18 by woodbutcher » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:27 am

:shock: Dang.Those are some expensive little buggers.$22.00 plus tax around here NIB.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
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Re: HEI ignition

Post #19 by JackFish » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:31 pm

chad wrote:
JackFish wrote:
63falcon4drwagon wrote:I run a 1976 Ford Fairmont 200ci small cap distributor with a 4 pin GM module mounted on the shock tower.

A '76 Fairmont eh? That would be a rare duck. :lol:

yeah, '78 wuz 1st 1, but I claim:
Granada ('75) as 1st' foxbodied'.

The 1st gen Granada was on the Maverick platform from '75-'80. 2nd gen fox body was only 81-82.
But the '78 Fairmont was the first fox-body.
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HEI module or 4pin/DSII hybrid

Post #20 by chad » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:09 pm

I C we're back on-line

that's Y i word it:
"...I claim:..."

I C the HEI 4 pin frm $20 to near ahundred, Leo...
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", tool boxes, etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Re: HEI ignition

Post #21 by woodbutcher » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:12 pm

:hmmm: If someone is charging $100.00 for the 4 pin module,I sure hope they carry a bucket of KY around with them.The $22.00 that I mentioned was at the local Auto Zone.
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Re: HEI ignition

Post #22 by wsa111 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:06 pm

For a HEI module use a 79 Corvette to look up the part #.
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Re: HEI ignition

Post #23 by powerband » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:16 pm

A few vendors have a selection of 4 Pin 'Boomerang" HEI modules from @ $20 to $100. I use supposedly better grade but hope for at least better quality control for the price.

https://www.summitracing.com/search/par ... I%20module

I haven't tried one yet, but PERTRONIX is marketing a 4 pin HEI version with onboard REV limiting.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/pnx-d72000

... currently researching Ign. Timing control /retard for the blown 250, the GM 7 pin module may be an option.

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Re: HEI ignition

Post #24 by woodbutcher » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:11 pm

:D Hi wsa111.Thanks for the heads up.
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