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Valve job for 200 6

Post #1 by Smittykid » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:24 pm

I'm new to the forum. I have a question - I'm looking at a 1949 Jeep CJ2A with a Ford 200 6 in it. The owner says it may need a valve job down the road.(blows black smoke for about 10 min after warmup) How difficult is it to find valves for that engine? (assuming that is what it needs) I am no mechanic. So go easy on me . Thanks, Smitty

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Re: Valve job for 200 6

Post #2 by Vin Man » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:30 pm

Smittykid wrote:I'm new to the forum. I have a question - I'm looking at a 1949 Jeep CJ2A with a Ford 200 6 in it. The owner says it may need a valve job down the road.(blows black smoke for about 10 min after warmup) How difficult is it to find valves for that engine? (assuming that is what it needs) I am no mechanic. So go easy on me . Thanks, Smitty


Very easy. The machine shop that does the work can get them for you or you can purchase yourself from an auto parts store or from classicinlines.com

Where are you located?
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Post #3 by CoupeBoy » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:30 pm

Smoke is usually from bad valve seals, or bad rings. If the engine runs fine otherwise I'd suspect that it is a problem with the valve seals. If it has any sort of miss or studder then I'd suspect a valve. You can change valve seals without any additional machine work. but if you need valves you will have to take the head off the engine and have the valve seats resurfaced and the valves themselves ground back to spec.

the only time you need new valves is if you burn through one, which will cause problems, most likely presented as a loss of power or a 'miss' to the engine.

Does this smoking situation clear up after the initial 10 minutes? I'm thinking that oil is leaking onto the backs of the valves and that's how long it takes for the valves to get hot enough to burn it all the way off, and I suspect Valve stem seals, not valves.

Parts are available at any parts store or engine machine shop.

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Post #4 by Smittykid » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:43 pm

Thanks! I am located in NW Pa. I am going to look at the Jeep with the Ford 6 Thursday. If everything else checks out, I may be asking all kinds of questions. Thanks again! Smitty

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Post #5 by Vin Man » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:15 pm

Smittykid wrote:Thanks! I am located in NW Pa. I am going to look at the Jeep with the Ford 6 Thursday. If everything else checks out, I may be asking all kinds of questions. Thanks again! Smitty


Just to be sure, how do you know it is a Ford inline 6 versus the 258 inline 6 typically used in Jeeps? My Jeep has the 258.
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Post #6 by Smittykid » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:38 pm

It's a 1949 Jeep CJ2A - so the AMC 258 wasn't available. This guy seems to know what he is talking about. Hopefully, I am going to look at the Jeep Thur. The guy lives about 2 hrs. from me. He said the 200 6 was in it when he bought it 10 yrs. ago. Again, I'm no mechanic. What distinguishing features should I look for to tell if it is in fact a Ford 200? I'll try & remember to take my digital camera. Thanks again, Smitty

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Post #7 by Vin Man » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:02 pm

Smittykid wrote:It's a 1949 Jeep CJ2A - so the AMC 258 wasn't available. This guy seems to know what he is talking about. Hopefully, I am going to look at the Jeep Thur. The guy lives about 2 hrs. from me. He said the 200 6 was in it when he bought it 10 yrs. ago. Again, I'm no mechanic. What distinguishing features should I look for to tell if it is in fact a Ford 200? I'll try & remember to take my digital camera. Thanks again, Smitty


The log head would be a dead give away. Would look something like this:

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Post #8 by Smittykid » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:00 pm

Thanks for the pics! Good looking car!. I've printed off a copy of your pic & will take it with me when I look at the Jeep. Thanks again - Smitty

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Post #9 by Smittykid » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:04 pm

I went and looked at that Jeep that was supposed to have a 200 6 in it. The engine looked nothing like the pics Vinny posted. I'm not sure it is even a Ford motor. I took two digital pics of it - how do I post them? The guy was going by what someone else told him. The only thing I saw stamped"Ford" was the alternator bracket. AS soon as someone clues me in on posting pics- I'll have them on the forum in a heartbeat. By the way, I didn't buy the Jeep. Thanks, Smitty

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Post #10 by CoupeBoy » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:19 pm

there is a sticky post in the eye candy section that details how to post pictures. Or email them to me and I'll post them.

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Post #11 by Smittykid » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm

Ron, I will check that out. I have emailed the pics to Vinnie, but I had to go thru his spam blocker first. If his don't show up, or I can't figure this out, I'll email them to you. Thanks a million! Smitty

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Post #12 by Vin Man » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:32 am

Smittykid wrote:Ron, I will check that out. I have emailed the pics to Vinnie, but I had to go thru his spam blocker first. If his don't show up, or I can't figure this out, I'll email them to you. Thanks a million! Smitty


Smitty - I didn't get the pics. Did you send them to vinny@yourcousinvinny.com? If not, try again.

Someone likely put a late model AMC inline 6 into that Jeep. I can post pics of that engine as well if you like.

Why didn't you buy it?
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Post #13 by Vin Man » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:39 am

Here are a couple of shots of the inline 6 out of my Jeep - 80 CJ5. Not close ups, but you get the idea:

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Post #14 by CoupeBoy » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:46 am

Well dialup users are going to hate me, as the pictures you sent were almost 2mb each.. but I uploaded them via my phone which doesn't have any image resizing software on it, yet, anybody got a suggestion for WM6.1? Oh ya, I don't know what it is. I can tell you that it is NOT a small six ford (144/170/200/250) I can tell you that it is not a 216/223/262, and I can also tell you that it is not a 240/300. I also know that it is not any of the Chebby sixes that I'm familiar with (230/250/292/235). It's not a slant6, nor is it any of the 232/258/4.0 family of sixes.

Here are links to the photos:

Can see distributor, and what looks like a remote oil filter, fuel pump is mounted down low on the rear of the block, right below 2 side side covers. You can also get a good view of 2 large hoses that are being plugged by lugnuts, which I find interesting, th emotor appears to be 'vintage' but the hoses suggest emission controls..
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Can see air cleaner, alternator, exhaust manifold, starter/starter solenoid (looks like GM type starter) homade motor mounts.
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Post #15 by Vin Man » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:56 am

I've posted the pics on my Jeep forum and will ask what it is. Likely the original engine.

I shrunk the pics down and loaded on Photobucket. Here they are:
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Post #16 by Smittykid » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:01 am

Ron,
Thanks! Even tho I did't buy the Jeep, now I am even more curious about that engine! Thanks to all!! Smitty

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Post #17 by eeyore » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:04 am

Looks alot like the early Ford. The 215, 223, 262 family I'm not sure, check out this link. http://www.geocities.com/edwins63/ohvsix.html
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Post #18 by wallaka » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:16 am

Not a Willys, Pontiac, Studebaker or Kaiser either.
Down to 29 cylinders!
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Post #19 by ludwig » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:25 am

Dang. That leaves Hudson, Packard and Crosley.
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Post #20 by CoupeBoy » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:19 am

ludwig wrote:Dang. That leaves Hudson, Packard and Crosbey.
What about Stills and Nash?

And definately not an overhead cam Poncho.

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Post #21 by ludwig » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:26 am

Crosley, Willys, and Nash.
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Post #22 by Vin Man » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:05 pm

A reply to my post on the Jeep forum. PO=prior owner.

www.virtualjeepclub.com wrote:The PO of my Willys Wagon repowered it with a 1950s 223-6 Ford engine. It kind of looks like the one you posted.

The air cleaner is a 'space saver style' that was used in some Ford cars of that period.

The PO was very creative in getting this engine to fit in a 1954 Willys Station Wagon.

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Post #23 by Smittykid » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:24 pm

The oil filler looks like it's in the valve cover. The one I looked at had the oil filler on the rt side with no holes in the valve cover. Still a mystery. Smitty

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Post #24 by SteveS » Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:07 pm

eeyore wrote:Looks alot like the early Ford. The 215, 223, 262 family I'm not sure, check out this link. http://www.geocities.com/edwins63/ohvsix.html


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Post #25 by CoupeBoy » Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:48 pm

According to the pictures on edwin's site the starter is on the wrong side, and I don't recall seeing any old Ford starters with a solenoid attached to them.

Anybody on here a cornbinder fan? I'm having troubles finding a picture of an International 220 i6 (used from the 50's-60's I think). Dad's got a couple early trucks sitting in the pasture (holding the dirt down) and this could be one of those motors.

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Post #26 by Smittykid » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:03 pm

For what it's worth, I forgot to mention on this forum that the "FORD" script was stamped on the alternator bracket. It may just be a Ford alternator bracket on a different make engine. I'm hoping that if enough people see these posts - someone will have a definite answer.

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Post #27 by Vin Man » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:27 pm

Here is the definitive answer I got from the jeep forum:

"Its a 58-65 AMC 195.6 came in ramblers and such.

First off is the valve cover with the screws that hold it down, second is the fuel pump at the rear of the engine, third thing I noticed is the exhaust manifold has three branches with paired exhaust runners, The last thing is it has an AMC style distributor. I could tell its not a ford since the carb and exhaust are on the drivers side, I think fords are always passanger side (not sure though).


Vin man I am pretty sure the later AMC 6cyls can be swapped in place of the 195.6 wih a change of the motor mounts. If I remeber the bellhousing bolt pattern is the same, Dont take my word though, you might want to research it a little more. If I remeber right the 195.6 requires head retorquing every 8-10,000 miles"
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