62 Ranchero engine racket

sparkyj":z0c23uhq said:
...... fired it up after putting a squirt of gas in .........

....... Anyone have a similar "fresh start and sudden quit" experience?......

Yup.
Squirt of gas, run a few seconds, then no joy = no fuel getting where it needs to be. It apparently has a reasonably well-timed spark because it did run a few licks.
Joe
 
sparkyj":2km61v8a said:
... As far as the bucket of bolts sound of the engine, what in all of your experience tells me what I should look for first (besides a toyota corolla) prior to yanking the whole motor and trans out?...

Your credit card.

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Joe, recharged the Battery. gave it a few more turns. Smelled like gas. I think I'm flooding it.
It's dark now
Will check spark hopefully tomorrow. Maybe the coil??
 
i'm getting spark coming off the coil, but don't think the spark is getting to the plugs. Can't feel the tick tick tick when pulling the plug wires off a bit from the plug ends.
 
I have not. I fired up but then stopped after the first throat full of gas
burned out. I mean it sounded good, but like the throttle was wide open!

Could be something simple. but I hope i didn't burn something out because of a mis wire job.

Could a condenser on the distributor cause a no spark to the plug problem?

OR
how many bad plug wires on a 6 does it take to make a no start situation?

these plug wires are not new. (But the motor just fired up!)
Maybe the quick start fouled the plugs. I took them out and checked. there were slightly wet after a prolonged crank.

Maybe its bad gas. trying to trouble shoot more tomorrow!

I hope y'all are finding this somewhat entertaining..thanks for your help.
I'm applying all of it..
 
I say re-check the timing. Sounds like you may be too far advanced. Did you set it by bringing it to TDC, etc?

*edit: Now that I say that, I'd be willing to bet on it. Re-check it, just for me. =)
 
OK, hooked up timing light. No light!. Hmmm.

There is spark to the center post from the coil. Checked position of TDC too.

the points are sparking and there appears to be voltage when holding the coil wire over the rotor with the cap off.


(I'm updating this from a previous post) i just pulled a few sparkplugs out and grounded them to the block whille connected to the plug wire and I am getting spark.

So, fuel issue I think.

I think this is bad gas, or a carb problem, But when you look down the throat of the carb there is a puddle of gas in there.

Will let it evaporate and test with some starter spray when I get a chance...
 
MM, I'm From Los Angeles

You were right. Well everyone here was probably right, heh heh.I bought some starter spray. I wasn't getting any voltage from just cranking to get the timing light to "light up" So I did the "free form" approach. Basically just tried different positions with the distributor and sho-nuff found a sweet spot and it fired up.

THEN!

The carb wouldn't reset to idle (messed with the spring and mixture screw.)
This carb was rebuilt 5 years ago and then it sat. There is a flabby sponginess to the idle position. Maybe need a tighter spring to pull it down.
or?? Seems to leak a bit now.

THEN!
The exhaust manifold to pipe union doesn't fit right (remember I bought this not running.)
So, it sounds like a Sopwith Camel.
Someone told me about a little donut you can stick in there but honestly I remember the size of the exhaust might be too small. the manifold is a C3 and the engine is a C6. (I just wanted to get this running)

THEN!
The Alternator or belt was squealing so loud so as to make the whole event impossible. OH MY. Position looks ok. Maybe a slight bit cocked. I've seen worse. Belt is tight. Maybe too tight? May be the belt is too wide? du know.
Maybe I'l try putting the old belt back on for a test. This had a generator before so it is an Alternator issue I theen.
(light bulb goes off in head...is that why this alternator was just sitting around??)

THEN!
The special Late model mustang radiator hose set up to accept the smaller upper water neck didn't hold. Man, just not my day today. That one was a real hood-slammer.
Rad fluid all over a brand new engine bay. Can anyone recommend a proper hose for this setup? I had a step down fitting in the 1-1/2 hose. ( a similar shape hose from another car, cut to size) It may have more to do with the waterneck being old and not having enough lip on the outer edge. I don't think I gave it enough expansion theory love.
Also this thing got hot fast. I was surprised. Is that typical for these?

What pound radiator cap do you guys use on your 6s? I've got a 13 and a 16 around here somewhere.

the sit com continues
...tomorrow....
 
The poundage on the cap doesn't matter much. If you want, I can come up and help you for a day some time this week. I'm just down in Orange County. I'll only charge ya gas money and lunch! =PP

Seriously though, if you want a good eye on it, let me know, and I'll come check it out!
 
thanks Mike I appreciate that. i'll let you know. My life is minute to minute with family stuff usually, ha!

Is there a post on setting timing and adjusting a 1 barrel carb in this forum anywhere?
 
Probably 100 posts on both of those!!! I just posted a long drawn out how-to on it the other day. I'll see if I can find it.

*Edit: The post went something like this.

"Take the number one plug out of the spark plug hole. Turn the engine around until it is on the compression stroke (you will feel air push out of the cylinder, and that means that both valves are closed). Then put a pencil in the spark plug hole, rubber side down, and watch the pencil move to the top of it's stroke, the absolute top is TDC. Now pop open your cap, the rotor should be pointing at the number one spark plug. If you had to add a bunch of initial timing then it is probably because it's coming up to the next cycle, or moving up one whole post on the distributor cap. This is also the time to check to see if the balancer slipped. THE POWER!!!! (y)"
 
I think I'm pretty much on with this section. My issue was getting it to fire. Seem to start better in 1 position and run better in another.

I set the timing to -10 degrees. Probably could have gone to 12 the way it was running. It was struggling at 800-880 rpm.
I pulled the vacuum line off of the carb that goes to the Dizzy and plugged it. (can't remember if that is the correct procedure) This is an older Distributor with the old style rotor and clip.

The guys at my Machine Shop put another balancer on there. I assume they know what they are doing since they are really great old-school guys.

I think I need to go through this carb again as it doesn't really settle back to idle very well. It is a 1 barrel. Is that a 1101 possibly? Those are easy to set up right?

Also battling the exhaust manifold issue. To Donut or not to donut.
I made a post on that earlier today :)

Thanks!
 
Autolite 1100/Holley 1940 model. I didn't see any pictures so I can't say for sure.

And you want to take it out of the distributor and plug it, so that you don't have a vacuum leak while you do it, and there's no advance.
 
I plugged the distributor side and left the carb open! , duh.
I'll try and figure out how to post a picture...
Thanks that makes total sense...
 
Yeah, post a picture and I'll tell you what carb it is. =P

And yeah, it's the little things like that! You're not the only person who's ever made that mistake, including me.
 
I'm pretty sure its an Autolite 1100. It feels a little spongy. it doesn't rest down to an idle very well. It has 0 miles on it but it has just sat there for 5 years after a rebuild. I'd like to just freshen it up a bit. What should I look for in a proper functioning carb, seeing it has been just sitting.

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