Will this starter work?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PWM-9103/

I am looking for a mini starter to help clear my downpipe (high mount starter on my 250) right now the solenoid is hitting my down pipe and if I can get a starter I can reclock then I will be gravy

You mean low mount right ? ( 250's are like V-8 Small Blocks as for starter location ) and Yes a starter for a 289-302-351W will work

The high mount Aussie 250 block uses a hotch potch of early US 200 high mount and early 221/260/289 flywheel with a wider block. Still uses same size clutch and six bolt on 3" pilot crank snout as the US 250 though. It allowed Ford Australia to use the later 250 clutch and torque converter sizes for its Fairlane models, but still use the 3.03 bellhousing dimensions.

XFlow_Fairlane has an Aussie X-flow, which uses a neutral balance version of the early Fairlane compact 160 teeth 1963-1965 221/260/289 V8 flywheel, and an earlier high mount starter.

A starter which fits the 160 and 157 teeth small block 221/260/289/302 and 136 teeth 3.03 170/200 should fit the Aussie engine.

Ford US stopped making the 160 teeth flywheel in 1966 when the six bolt SB Windsor block came out , but since 1966 to present day, every Australian I6 Falcon 200/250/3.2/3.9/4.0 still uses the 160 teeth flywheel. 157 and 160 teeth flywheels interchange

xctasy":1nhzf5b4 said:

The high mount Aussie 250 block uses a hotch potch of early US 200 high mount and early 221/260/289 flywheel with a wider block. Still uses same size clutch and six bolt on 3" pilot crank snout as the US 250 though. It allowed Ford Australia to use the later 250 clutch and torque converter sizes for its Fairlane models, but still use the 3.03 bellhousing dimensions.

XFlow_Fairlane has an Aussie X-flow, which uses a neutral balance version of the early Fairlane compact 160 teeth 1963-1965 221/260/289 V8 flywheel, and an earlier high mount starter.

A starter which fits the 160 and 157 teeth small block 221/260/289/302 and 136 teeth 3.03 170/200 should fit the Aussie engine.

Ford US stopped making the 160 teeth flywheel in 1966 when the six bolt SB Windsor block came out , but since 1966 to present day, every Australian I6 Falcon 200/250/3.2/3.9/4.0 still uses the 160 teeth flywheel. 157 and 160 teeth flywheels interchange

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What happened to the 164 T (internal or neutral balance - FW not flex plate) that rumor round here has fits 250/4.1 and 300.4.9 (& 289/302, 351)? Hope I didn't spend $50 for sompin I don't need on the 250.

xctasy":380xtvrl said:

The high mount Aussie 250 block uses a hotch potch of early US 200 high mount and early 221/260/289 flywheel with a wider block. Still uses same size clutch and six bolt on 3" pilot crank snout as the US 250 though. It allowed Ford Australia to use the later 250 clutch and torque converter sizes for its Fairlane models, but still use the 3.03 bellhousing dimensions.

XFlow_Fairlane has an Aussie X-flow, which uses a neutral balance version of the early Fairlane compact 160 teeth 1963-1965 221/260/289 V8 flywheel, and an earlier high mount starter.

A starter which fits the 160 and 157 teeth small block 221/260/289/302 and 136 teeth 3.03 170/200 should fit the Aussie engine.

Ford US stopped making the 160 teeth flywheel in 1966 when the six bolt SB Windsor block came out , but since 1966 to present day, every Australian I6 Falcon 200/250/3.2/3.9/4.0 still uses the 160 teeth flywheel. 157 and 160 teeth flywheels interchange

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Oh you just had to go and spoil the fun for me!!

I have a 157T neutral balance flywheel in there right now so I am not sure if that makes a difference. So will this starter work for me? My aussie starter works and all but the stupid solenoid sticks out to the side where I could use some extra clearance on my 4" downpipe form the turbo.

My crossflow has a 157 tooth US 250 flywheel and a stock 200 automatic starter.

The two Aussie flexplates I had were also 157 tooth and the same diameter.

so is there a mini starter out there that will fit a 200?

I thought the general consensus was you could use a Ford FE small high torque starter for the 200.

some call the '80s, 90s 'stang starter a mini. Not sure bout the snout, bolt holes or anything else....

As stated, a starter which fits the 160 and 157 teeth small block 221/260/289/302 and 136 teeth 3.03 170/200 should fit the Aussie engine.

Maybee I'm missing something, but every time this discussion comes up, someone seams to get confused that a starter which works on a 184 teeth FE can also work on a 136 teeth 3.03 small six or indeed a 157 or 160 teeth Aussie block. The 164 teeth flexplate is specific to later low mount 3.3's and some US 250's, some 300's, and a lot of M code 351 Clevelands, and its starter is in a different position to suit the huge flexplate. Some starters have different thickness seperator plates, so there are a few things which can go wrong. 28 and 50 oz unbalance factors for V8 flywheels and the 2.75 or 3.0" pilot differences between US 200'S and 250's and pre and post 1971 Aussie i6's, plus metric bolts after 1985 all make it hard to be absolute about I6 flywheels and flexplates.

To elaborate. A compact Aussie 2011 FG Falcon 4.0 DOHC six starter fits an Aussie 1966 XR Falcon 200 block, because they both have a 160 teeth flexplate. Neutral balance 157 teeth flexplates from Aussie 250's or 240 or 4.9/300 bix sixes were just a V8 inspired replacement for running an American C4 transmission.

All Borg Warner/BTR manual and Borg Warner/BTR/Ion/ZF automatic i6 Aussie engines from 1966 to 2011 run the same ring gear. Aussie market C4's for sixes from 1971 to 1980 ran 157 teeth. No alloy heads ever came with C4's, so a 157 teeth flexplate or flywheel is pre alloyhead. Before 1971, all 188/200/221 I6 flywheels were 2.75" pitch centre. When the tall deck 200 and Aussie 1v and 2v 250 arrived in the 1971 XY Falcon, it was all V8 style 3.00" pitch with six 7/16 bolts. After 1985, all unleaded gasoline X-flows got metric bolts, and the OHC and DOHC and 1986 to 1992 OHV X-Flows all ran the same metric bolted flexplate.

Aussie variations on the C4 for the V8 Windsors and Clevelands were American made and stamped C9 (157 teeth) and or C10 (164 teeth) and used until 1983, there were US FMX's too which ran 164 teeth. They were all 28 oz unbalance.

The FE starter for its 184 teeth flywheel has the same pitch as the 136, 157, 160 flywheels.

164 teeth starters are in a different position to the 157 teeth, but the pitches are all the same. If you divide the number of teeth by the circumference, you get a constant number, and as long as its within three teeth, you'll find it fits.

so I take it that is a yes?

jsut with all th talk about different starters it seems no one here has ever made the change (or not to many at least) I guess I will pull the trigger on this starter and see how it works out.