'81 200 Stick Shift?

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There's a CL ad for an '81 that says it's an inline 200, picture shows Clutch/Stick Tranny. - was 79-81 200 (3.3) available with 4 Speed?. I thought only Automatic with unique late 200/3.3 bell pattern ? ...

also related - ? - no such thing as rear sump 250 oil pan like Fox body 200's? .

thanks
 
there were mustangs and fairmonts with the 3.3, with manual transmissions sold up to 1983. as for rear sump 250 oil pans, none exists that i know of. at least no factory oil pans. someone may have created one.
 
An '81 might have the low starter. They blocks are usually grey not blue.
But yeah there is the rare high starter manual tranny bell. I passed on a '79 Mustang with a stick and a six not too long ago, should've bought just for the bell.
 
Jackfish sent me the thread link. Now I know why.

I just bought the last SROD tranny for a 6 cylinder Fairmont, in Canada. All the rest are in the USA or Latin America. Just got it last week. Also got the Brake/Clutch bracket for my 1979 Fairmont, also for a 200 I6. Both are in minty shape. I agree, that 1981 Transmission is one super rare transmission, especially if it has the overdrive.

I'm not a novice to standard transmissions in general, but I don't know much about the innerds of my SROD, YET!! :eek:

I got the last copy of Ford's 1983 TOD/SROD manual, covering car and truck (2 and 4 wheel drive). I'll be scanning it and posting over at the Four Eyed Pride site. Its 80-odd pages, but the main guy in charge wants it both as a PDF and a set of JPG files, so I'll need a few days into next week. Great book! Step-by-step PICTORIAL disassembly and assembly, parts listed for both types of transmissions, as well as all the special tools to do the rebuild, IF it needs it.

http://www.amazon.com/TOD-SROD-Four-Spe ... B000LPW4C6

The book says that except for the 4WD version, that the TOD and SROD innerds are the same. Funny enough that it lists 3 sets of ratios, none of them for the small six:

They also don't mention where to find the Code on the transmissions to nail down the ratio inside the transmission, but I did see a casting number on the driver's side of mine with a "C" separated by the rest of the number (about 6 or 7 numbers)

SO:
Code--1st-------2nd-------3rd-------4th-------Rev
B------3.25------1.92------1:1-------.78-------3.25
C------3.01------1.78------1:1-------.72-------3.01
D------3.25------1.92------1:1-------.71-------3.25

AutoRestoMod's Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoRestoMod?feature=watch

This link to AutoRestomod's YouTube series on rebuilding a T5 also mentions that the SROD and Toploader OD transmission rebuilding is very similar:

Identifying T5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0jKNocNB0Y

Disassembling T5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbD7MP_52gc

Assembing T5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9FVZ3YQ4CU

xctasy referred me to this post:
viewtopic.php?f=76&t=2491
 
The only authoritative index is the Consumer Guide. They Automotive Historians David L Lewis, Mike McCarville, Lorin Sorensen were team leaders of a host of very disciplined people. I've used the "By the Editors of Consumer Guide Ford 1903 to 1984" ISBN 0-88176-151-6 by Publications International, Ltd publication.

Its not perfect, but it shows some of the most amazing information on oddball I6 Ford engines, like the 1968 250 passenger car engine options in Mustangs, Ranchero and Fairlanes, and the plan to release a cheap (2V) hop up and mechanical fuel injection 250 Mustangs, the different Fox car engine options right through to 84 are covered. The 1981 SS Mustang and the bizarre "U shift" T5 transmission for only the 1980 and 1981 2.3 Mustangs. They only made three mistakes... they didn't cover the different 3.3 SROD and T4 ratios, the grille permutations of the 1982 non V8 Thunderbird's, and that there weren't 250 McLaren Mustangs. Maybee Bruce McLaren might be turning in his grave at 8000 rpm because of it....

DSCF0431.jpg


From our very own super4ord! 1981 E1ZR-6394-AA T4 bellhousing on left, 1979 D9BC-6392 CA SROD bellhousing on right. And they are all genuine high mount blue engine 3.3 Fox items


See"6 cyl SROD to T5 bellhousing conversion...PIC's" http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread. ... sion-PIC-s
"E1ZR-6394-AA bell question" http://www.fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=60556
"D9BC-6392 CA" http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread. ... ind-a-3-3l
http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread. ... difference
viewtopic.php?f=76&t=70270
viewtopic.php?f=76&t=69374
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=47758


Every pre 1983 Fox frame could potentially have a 3.3 engine. The Fox platform cars from 1978 to 1981, all small short 100.4 and medium 105.5" wheel Foxes elseware got either one of three gearbox options. Long wheel base foxes, the S shell car like the 80-82 Cougar two door, the 1980-192 T-bird, didn't have a manual 3.3 option.

The blue engine high mount 3.3's were very common right up till 1983, but 1981 was the last year of four speed gearboxes in the 3.3 Fox.

No grey low mount blocks ever got a four speed gearbox, but there are lots of blue engined automatic 3.3 engine cars from 1980 to 1983

From July 1980, the 1981 Federal Motor Vehicle Emissions standard was ratified. For California and probably high altitude areas, this meant no manual SROD's or T4 3.3's in any 1981 to 1983 Fairmont, but it sure was around for Mustangs and Capris.


So manual six cylinder gearbox availability for each year was

1978 3 speed 3.3 i6 medium wheel base Foxes
1979 4 speed SROD 2.8 Colonge V6 and 3.3 i6 Foxes in short wheelbase
1979 4 speed SROD 3.3 i6 Foxes in medium wheel base cars
1980 4 speed SROD 3.3 i6 Foxes in short and medium wheelbase cars
1981 4 speed SROD or T4 for 49 states 3.3 Foxes and California and High Altitude Mustang/Capris
1982 None for short, medium or long wheelbase Foxes
1983 None for short, medium or long wheelbase Foxes

The best on line source for gearbox availability is Four Eyed Pride's FoxMustang, and although not prefect because the plant rationalization "schmozzles" Ford was under making low and high mount gearboxed i6 Foxes, his info is the absolute best around.
 
thanks

for the illustrated data and the info on the data .... Unique or oddball OEM drivetrain options usually have a lot of corporate backstory I thought inline six foxbody Mustang/Capri were only in western US DSO's.

... so were all U.S. 3.3 foxbody - low mount (grey block ? ) or manual transmission cars high starter ? . I hope to get a look at CL 81 soon.

have fun
 
powerband":372w7ztj said:
thanks

for the illustrated data and the info on the data .... Unique or oddball OEM drivetrain options usually have a lot of corporate backstory I thought inline six foxbody Mustang/Capri were only in western US DSO's.

... so were all U.S. 3.3 foxbody - low mount (grey block ? ) or manual transmission cars high starter ? . I hope to get a look at CL 81 soon.

have fun


All stick shift I6's were blue high mount, and from the 1981 model year, if it was automatic, an approximate 30/70 split between high mount C3/C4 and low mount SelectShift C4 or C5 with the lock-up clutch. There are a lot of blue engined high mount i6 Fox cars on the internet, by no means were 1981 to 1983 cars exclusively low mount i6. if you need a stick shift, a 1981 to 1983 B or X code 3.3 blue high mount is the easiest option.
 
I got to take a look at the '81 Capri 200/4spd:

Unique car for sure, I couldn't tell engine numbers but it had a high-mount 2 bolt starter and 3+1 OD 4 spd behind recent engine replacement. . Original paint had RS 3.3 on fender behind front wheelwell . Feedback carb tubing/wiring everywhere and big cat-cvtr exh. manifold. Needed over 50% resto with rotted frame rails and inner fenders. I told owner: 'hopefully someone that can handle full project will pay asking price'. I also explained the important SIX drivetrain would live-on if he accepted my salvage price offer.

have fun
 
sad it is dying. I'd love to get my hands on the drive train (no funds now though, wife would KILL me). Did it have the recaros in it and the fake hood scope hood? I am slowing watching my dreams rust away, hehe.
 
Stormin' Norman":1br8tgku said:
Jackfish sent me the thread link. Now I know why.

I just bought the last SROD tranny for a 6 cylinder Fairmont, in Canada. All the rest are in the USA or Latin America. Just got it last week. Also got the Brake/Clutch bracket for my 1979 Fairmont, also for a 200 I6. Both are in minty shape. I agree, that 1981 Transmission is one super rare transmission, especially if it has the overdrive.

I'm not a novice to standard transmissions in general, but I don't know much about the innerds of my SROD, YET!! :eek:

I got the last copy of Ford's 1983 TOD/SROD manual, covering car and truck (2 and 4 wheel drive). I'll be scanning it and posting over at the Four Eyed Pride site. Its 80-odd pages, but the main guy in charge wants it both as a PDF and a set of JPG files, so I'll need a few days into next week. Great book! Step-by-step PICTORIAL disassembly and assembly, parts listed for both types of transmissions, as well as all the special tools to do the rebuild, IF it needs it.

http://www.amazon.com/TOD-SROD-Four-Spe ... B000LPW4C6

The book says that except for the 4WD version, that the TOD and SROD innerds are the same. Funny enough that it lists 3 sets of ratios, none of them for the small six:

They also don't mention where to find the Code on the transmissions to nail down the ratio inside the transmission, but I did see a casting number on the driver's side of mine with a "C" separated by the rest of the number (about 6 or 7 numbers)

SO:
Code--1st-------2nd-------3rd-------4th-------Rev
B------3.25------1.92------1:1-------.78-------3.25
C------3.01------1.78------1:1-------.72-------3.01
D------3.25------1.92------1:1-------.71-------3.25

AutoRestoMod's Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoRestoMod?feature=watch

This link to AutoRestomod's YouTube series on rebuilding a T5 also mentions that the SROD and Toploader OD transmission rebuilding is very similar:

Identifying T5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0jKNocNB0Y

Disassembling T5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbD7MP_52gc

Assembing T5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9FVZ3YQ4CU

xctasy referred me to this post:
viewtopic.php?f=76&t=2491

In that post, viewtopic.php?f=76&t=2491
RogueS":1br8tgku said:
i just acquired an srod tranny

the codes are
RUG EM DC17
E2ZRAA 2914

i am guessing that this is an 82 tranny from the E2 part
anyone have any idea what the gear ratios are, i see the list of
Ratio #1: 3.29 1st, 1.84 2nd, 1.00 3rd, 0.81 4th, and 3.29 Rev.
Ratio #2: 3.07 1st, 1.72 2nd, 1.00 3rd, 0.70 4th, and 3.07 Rev.

Do all of the years from 79-82 have the same set of those two ratios or what? and if so, how do i determain which ones i have?

Also, how the heck do i get this thing into reverse, i'm only finding 4 gears, i read about this lockout lever or something, but there isn't one on the one i have

with the I6, the factory SROD gear ratio spread was 4.06, while the V8's was 4.39:1 The ratios differed with the ones above,but I know the Ratio 1 and 2 listed are true.
 
I have found an 80 Mustang, l6 high mount starter and 4 speed. Price is right but I have just about finished my low mount l6 build, how can I match the 4 speed to my engine ?
 
Easily!

Three things.


If you are putting a low mount grey engine in a 1980 4-speed, it needs

1. a V8 Fox 79-82 Mustang SROD compatible bell-housing and clutch and flywheel. You do have to get a 5.0 flywheel of the correct type rebalanced to remove the 28 or 50 Oz Detroit Unbalance ...and it depends on the year as to what the unbalance factor was.

Note Well: The 4.9 F100/F150 truck flywheel is neutral balance, but it won't work, as the teeth count for V8 Foxes such as the SROD 5.0 and T5 bell-housing was 157 teeth. Fox Fairmont's/Cougars came out with them on occasion too, and the Cougar (which was a 2-door Fox Thunderbird knockoff which then got a short wheelbase body attached for 1981 to 1983) apparently kept the optional 5.0 all the way through while other Foxes missed it with the 4.2 auto only. So have a look around. The F150 4.9 or 5.0 for they year may have gotten a mechanical cable clutch like the same year Foxes, so if you are having trouble finding a 5.0 Fox bell-housing, a same year i6 or SBF V8 5.0 truck should have the same bell-housing parts as the Fox, but a bigger 164 teeth flywheel and 10.5" clutch.

2. You re-drill the top two holes of the V8 bell-housing, and the SROD 4 speed six cylinder gearbox should fit up.

3. The clutch and flywheel are a different size to the I6. In addition, you have to re-drill the six on 3" pitch bolts by elongating or slotting the holes to six on 2.75", and make sure the bolts are 5.0 V8 manual spec. There is a size difference in shank, and auto and manual bolts are different lengths

Note Well: There was a change to self adjusting quadrant clutch with the later Foxes, so you have to check that the stock I6 clutch cable fits up to the stock 1980 Fox clutch, but that's about it.

The Fox went to a 164 teeth flexplate for C5 and AOD automatics, and so did most of the trucks in the late 70's. Manuals stayed 157 teeth in V8 Foxes, and 136 teeth in 1978 only manual column shift 3.03 3 speeds, 1979-1981 SROD's and the 1981 only T4's.
 
Stormin' Norman":1zzw3xoz said:
Jackfish sent me the thread link. Now I know why.

I just bought the last SROD tranny for a 6 cylinder Fairmont, in Canada. All the rest are in the USA or Latin America. Just got it last week. Also got the Brake/Clutch bracket for my 1979 Fairmont, also for a 200 I6. Both are in minty shape. I agree, that 1981 Transmission is one super rare transmission, especially if it has the overdrive.

I'm not a novice to standard transmissions in general, but I don't know much about the innerds of my SROD, YET!! :eek:

I got the last copy of Ford's 1983 TOD/SROD manual, covering car and truck (2 and 4 wheel drive). I'll be scanning it and posting over at the Four Eyed Pride site. Its 80-odd pages, but the main guy in charge wants it both as a PDF and a set of JPG files, so I'll need a few days into next week. Great book! Step-by-step PICTORIAL disassembly and assembly, parts listed for both types of transmissions, as well as all the special tools to do the rebuild, IF it needs it.

http://www.amazon.com/TOD-SROD-Four-Spe ... B000LPW4C6

The book says that except for the 4WD version, that the TOD and SROD innerds are the same. Funny enough that it lists 3 sets of ratios, none of them for the small six:

They also don't mention where to find the Code on the transmissions to nail down the ratio inside the transmission, but I did see a casting number on the driver's side of mine with a "C" separated by the rest of the number (about 6 or 7 numbers)

SO:
Code--1st-------2nd-------3rd-------4th-------Rev
B------3.25------1.92------1:1-------.78-------3.25
C------3.01------1.78------1:1-------.72-------3.01
D------3.25------1.92------1:1-------.71-------3.25

AutoRestoMod's Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoRestoMod?feature=watch

This link to AutoRestomod's YouTube series on rebuilding a T5 also mentions that the SROD and Toploader OD transmission rebuilding is very similar:

Identifying T5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0jKNocNB0Y

Disassembling T5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbD7MP_52gc

Assembing T5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9FVZ3YQ4CU

xctasy referred me to this post:
http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=2491


Since mine is at the best little tranny shop in the West, I had the boss get the Transmission Tag info off of it before they reinstall it.
RUG DE GK26
E0ZR EA 2082


I don't see any of those codes that I listed above.

Does anyone know what the GK26 means?

And none of the usual suspect transmission sites lists a RUG DE. The list D, D1, D2, but not DE.
 
like 2 no more bout a 46 yr old ford 8 inch…
didn't no they were around that long!
 
If all else fails... RTFM!

Checked out the Ford Factory manual and found it!. My manual is for the 1979 Ford cars, does have a RUG/SROD section, but they forgot the RUG tag on this page:

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powerband":646o9d85 said:
I got to take a look at the '81 Capri 200/4spd:

Unique car for sure, I couldn't tell engine numbers but it had a high-mount 2 bolt starter and 3+1 OD 4 spd behind recent engine replacement. . Original paint had RS 3.3 on fender behind front wheelwell . Feedback carb tubing/wiring everywhere and big cat-cvtr exh. manifold. Needed over 50% resto with rotted frame rails and inner fenders. I told owner: 'hopefully someone that can handle full project will pay asking price'. I also explained the important SIX drivetrain would live-on if he accepted my salvage price offer.

have fun


The 1980 to 1983 3.3's had on occasion, an adjustable idle kicker for the A/C unit if so equiped, and an idel stock soleniod and choke pull off, and for 1981 to 1983, a bowl vent soleniod, but even with all that, there wasn't even a computer. They were much like th 5.0 M code 4-bbls, a totally non feedback carb car, but it looked scary enough to be one. It lookes like a Feedback F150 carb, but it isn't.

The 3.3 1981 T4 drove just like the 3.3 1980 SROD, only it didn't even have an overdrive gear. Not sure if the gear knob did, though!

Ford gurus aren't 100% sure if the SROD in Fox 3.3 's stoped in 1980, or remained concurrent with the 1981 T4, as every magazine article has errors proven wrong by in the field observation.

From MARCH-1981-MOTOR-TREND-MAGAZINE-IMPORT-CAR-OF THE YEAR

Mercury Capri RS 3.3 4speed might have still been SROD.

srod331980249difffinaldrive.jpg


Many are the 80's maliase 3.3 I6 items of weirdness, for instance, the low mount block actually was blue, not grey, for the first year it came out, in 1980. I had a guy form the US phone me and tell me not all low mount blocks are grey.

A big bell 1980 has no coded big bell C4 gearbox listed for it anywhere, as the bell housing only worked with mid 1982 on wards C5's. But there must have been a C4 Big Bell gearbox made for it.

Ford quoted the 1980 3.3 Fox Mustang and Capris with SROD as having a 2.49:1 final drive ratio in top, even though SROD's came with a 3.08 diff standard. There was no "2.49" diff ever made, so that makes the top gear an 0.81 overdrive with the 6.75, or 7.5" 3.08 non limited slip or 7.5" limited slip

For manual 1980 US Fox 3.3's there were only 3.08's and 2.73, and for 1981 manual Foxes, 2.47's. The new Limited slips were only 2.73's or 3.08's for 1981.

Some 3.08's and all 2.47 were 7.5" diff ratios. Others were 6.75" diffs in 3.08 or 2.73.


The 1981 4th gear behaved like an SROD one, but the details were interesting...

1980 SROD i-6 ratios
RUG EA D*** ***** XXXX
Ratio #1:
3.29 1st,
1.84 2nd,
1.00 3rd,
0.81 4th,
and 3.29 Rev.
Axle ratio 3.08:1
Overall ratios 10.13, 5.67, 3.08, 2.49
Source http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/motor-trend/326-9.jpg
326-9.jpg

MotorTrend-March1981_1_small.jpg
MotorTrend-March1981_2_small.jpg

http://www.ascmclarencoupe.com/Literature/Magazines/MotorTrend-March1981_1.jpg
http://www.ascmclarencoupe.com/Literature/Magazines/MotorTrend-March1981_2.jpg

For 1981 Borg Warner T4 was a Ford SR4 made by BW, and in some versions, even shared the T5 1352 case
There are two gear sets quoted, Jeeps had standardized the same gearstack, so did T4C'S,the Chevy 1353 cased version.
4.03 in first,
2.37 in second,
1.49 in third,
1.00 in fourth
and 3.76 Rev.
Axle ratio 2.47
Overall ratios 9.95, 5.85, 3.68, 2.47
Source Details Chapter 2, P50-P51 "How to Rebuild and Modify High-Performance Manual Transmissions" By the brilliant NASA engineer Paul Cangialosi
144 pages ISBN-10: 1934709298,ISBN-13: 978-1934709290

61HPs7njLDL._SX384_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=Oex ... os&f=false

The work GM and Ford and Jeep did to get the T5 together was pioneered by the 1976 T50 and 1974 SR4 gearboxes, and the 1352 3.3 T4 gearbox case was the birth of the Ford T5 gearbox. Same case, just different extension housing.
 
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