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Re: My Budget 250 build

Post #51 by lavron » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:44 pm

Glad I am in no hurry my pistons are backordered until November, I guess Silv-O-Lite has to make them for me.

Oh well lot's to do in the mean time.

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Re: My Budget 250 build

Post #52 by Econoline » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:44 pm

I've got to say Mike, you're doing a h*ll of a build here. I'm loving this. If I'd have known about those rod's, I'd have probably gone that way to. I can't wait to see how this works out.
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Post #53 by lavron » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:49 am

Thanks Seth.

This site certainly has always been a big help, I was a member way back in 2002-2003 before everything went bad and all the memberships got toasted at least twice, I took a hiatus from working on my Comet way too long, even though I still haven't touched my car I have been working on collecting and rebuilding components for the last two years or so (not counting stuff stored away from 10 years ago), so one day I can get her back on the road with a, hopefully, short shop/garage time. makes it tough to build something before you actually touch the car but I figure it would be a pain to wait two months for pistons when that is all I needed to get it on the road and it was scattered all over my garage, right now I can wait and do other unpleasant things like clean grunge off of old parts :P Lots of research and searching for just the part I want on the cheap :?

I am finally "finished" cleaning up my block, I think, now waiting on pistons so I can take it too be bored and decked and I still need to run down a machine shop they are pretty scarce around here. :roll:

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More parts still have to be cleaned, it feels like that is all I do :lol:

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Post #54 by lavron » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:55 am

Here is the dirty pig when I brought it home, still just a happy as could be to find it close by, paid way too much for it :roll:

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Re: My Budget 250 build

Post #55 by bubba22349 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:30 pm

Your still making some great progress towards your goal :beer: congratulations on that! Keep up the good work :thumbup: :nod:
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #56 by xctasy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:09 pm

Econoline wrote:I've got to say Mike, you're doing a h*ll of a build here. I'm loving this. If I'd have known about those rod's, I'd have probably gone that way to. I can't wait to see how this works out.


it was discussed, often. The 1983 to 1992 OHV valve 4 cylinders had a lot of other parts, first it was pistons the I6 guys used, then we looked at timinag chains and eventually, the 5.99" rods.



Its always a risk to self promote, but I've done it only because a lot of people just didn't get it the seventh or fifteenth time over....


"US 250 Owners: Nuclear Timing Chain HSC/US 250/Oz 250"

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Invectivus wrote:What can you tell me about the connecting rods? I've been looking at NAPA online (just to get a ballpark) and they don't tell you too much. Are they forged by nature or something? or maybe lighter? i guess i'm asking why you think there'd be a benefit in using them.

Also, since these parts look pretty expensive, is there an engine code i can look for to just poach the entire engine from the salvage lot for fitment and comparison purposes? i can probably get a whole engine for the cost of one of these connecting rods...



The rods on four cylinders and the pistons, have to be much heavier duty than the I6 items due to power per cylinder. 2.3's are 5.45", but the 2.5liter rods are 6.00" centre to centre, rods are forged as far as I know, and same as the 6.06" non turbo Aussie 4.0 OHC/DOHC after 1998 till date. Wrist pins and crank pin diameters are the same as any 1960-1983 I6, and the 1976-1992 X-flows and 1988-1998 over head cam 3.2 and 3.9's.
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Post #57 by lavron » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:58 pm

xctasy wrote:Its always a risk to self promote, but I've done it only because a lot of people just didn't get it the seventh or fifteenth time over....


That is ok I caught it along the way somewhere :P

xctasy wrote: then we looked at timinag chains


Did we like them? I haven't really looked for one yet but that is in my future sometime, something else to collect maybe.

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Post #58 by xctasy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:21 pm

lavron wrote:
xctasy wrote:Its always a risk to self promote, but I've done it only because a lot of people just didn't get it the seventh or fifteenth time over....


That is ok I caught it along the way somewhere :P

xctasy wrote: then we looked at timinag chains


Did we like them? I haven't really looked for one yet but that is in my future sometime, something else to collect maybe.

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No one got back to me. Its like the old 164 teeth flexplate big bell low mount 200 block, and the 9 years of wrong info. Asking the same question, over and over before getting a response...the solutions came from new people asking the same questions, and then being able to provide a partial part number, and then, Image


Seams like its was a good idea, Ford wouldn't have blown away a couple of million reworking the stock 250 timing chain unless it had a want to.

But, you know, the 250 to 302W timing chain set-up by Does10s and mike1157 was better if your already machining something. Like 1986 onwards "WCP 351" SVO NASCAR Cleveland Windsor race engine made on the Windsor lines for Winston Cup engines, some people never minded an afternoons machining the block and crank on a lathe to get the 300 too long snout machined back. The six cylinder 250 was the first engine to copy the unshouldered crank, and its that aspect that screws over a cheep 302W timing gear and chain swap.

Does10s had the same upset response.....seams like people really need to read some of the old Ford Six posts.


I gotta say the scheduling of details on these special items of knowledge really ticked off my a$$ from 2011 to 2015, repeating the same stuff over and over.

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Does10s wrote:Mike1157,
Funny that this is the first time I've seen this tread!! It's been here for 2 years and it just got bumped to the "new posts".

I would've commented on your timing chain way back when for sure! Nice to see someone else give that a try! I assume it was a success?

The one in Kelly's car is still working just fine!

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THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER wrote:Hello Mike. I just discovered this thread and read through it - very interesting. I usually hang out on the 240/300 forum and neglect the rest. Your build-up reminds me of some of the issues I had to work through to put a crossflow head on a 300 (oil pan, damper, keyway, valve springs, rocker arms, valve cover, yadda, yadda). I missed a lot of what plans you have for the vehicle, what type of vehicle, etc. so I don't know how high you plan to rev it, how much boost etc.

Did you ever consider a belt cam drive like a Jessel setup?

Some 300 racers who run crossflow heads to the extreme have bored the cam journals to a larger size, enabling a larger base circle on the lobes and a stronger cam in bending. With extreme spring pressures the cam billet has a tendency to deflect and not deliver the advertised lift to the valve. They also add additional bearing supports inside the block. Not saying you'll need all that (some of those guys have valve lift in excess if one inch!), just an FYI.

Good luck with your project. I for one find it interesting.

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Re: My Budget 250 build

Post #59 by Harlon » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:35 am

lavron wrote:Glad I am in no hurry my pistons are backordered until November, I guess Silv-O-Lite has to make them for me.

Oh well lot's to do in the mean time.

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Hey, I’m following your build and thinking about taking a run at building one myself. I was wondering if you could share where you are sourcing your rods and pistons?

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Post #60 by lavron » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:14 pm

Harlon wrote:Hey, I’m following your build and thinking about taking a run at building one myself. I was wondering if you could share where you are sourcing your rods and pistons?
Sorry I have not replied sooner Harlon, I haven't had anything to post since the last time because it has taken this long to get my pistons.

Saying that these arrived today;

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I got my rods from Clegg Engines and the Pistons are Silv-O-Lites via CARiD

I can finally start thinking about machine work now.

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Post #61 by lavron » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:56 pm

Summit shows this oil pump pickup tube as fitting all the small 6 engines 144-250, https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-82s/overview/

Can anyone confirm they are the same, not because I want one but I need to build a rear sump oil pan and if I could use the 200 rear sump pickup it would save me from trying to build one (that is if I can find one)

If I could use the pickup I might consider finding a 200 rear sump pan and merge it with my 250 pan to make a rear sump 250 pan, I know I would have to gain the extra width someplace, any way I do it it is going to be a "Frankenpan" anyhow.

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Post #62 by chad » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:45 pm

that's a Q many bronk "conversion" (motor swap) builders develop.

I may graft a 170 pan 'bottom' onto 250 'ring'. Boy, is the 170 pan a heavier stock than my current 250's!
I will turn a doner 250 upside down to do the welding on so as to not warp the end product w/heat.

I have been looking for the 200/3.3 '80 - '83 rear sump p/u tube'n screen (no luck so far). I've lost the part #s for these from some 1 who posted here. Not having much luck (using '81 Mavrick for the junk yrd and auto prtshouses search). Let me know if U get part #s for the 200 rear sump. I think it would fit my oil pump! May B just hafta bend it 2 B 1/8 inch offa da "floor".

A pan part number would save making the pan but it would B frm a 200. No rear sump 250/4.1 to my knowledge.

Y do YOU wanna rear sump?
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Post #63 by lavron » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:46 am

chad wrote:No rear sump 250/4.1 to my knowledge.

Y do YOU wanna rear sump?


Nope no rear sump 250 :cry:

I am doing a MustangII front in my Comet so I need a rear sump pan.

This is the first time I have seen the pickup listed as the same part, doesn't mean it is that is why I was looking for confirmation :P I may cross check some other parts places and see what they list.

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Post #64 by lavron » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:53 am

Rock Auto shows them as two different Melling part numbers 65BS for the 200 and 82S for the 250.

Really I am kinda dumb I have a 200 and a 250 out in the shed, I can just compare them tomorrow :roll:

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p/u, screen, pan & 250 rear sump

Post #65 by chad » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:23 am

that helps, thanks.
Still don't C how an oem/after mrkt house has a part# for non-exsistant entity
(no rear sump 250). I wuz gunna C if the rear sump 200 ('80-'83) could work (pan, no, but p/u & screen)...
Will eventually ck my 170 rear sump (p/u & screen) as I have the motor out now.
Still plannin on the 170 pan braze 2 the 250.
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Post #66 by lavron » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:13 am

I did check this and there is no way they are the same, the 250 pump pickup comes out the side the 200 out the bottom, the 250 is a larger pump swell and the pickup tube is larger, again I am sure everyone knows this already :roll:

I think most likely a SBF rear sump pickup tube would be a better candidate for modification but I don't have one to confirm this.

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p/u tube, screen to swap in a rear sump 250

Post #67 by chad » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:41 am

Thanks Mike!

"...everyone knows this ..."; "...the pickup tube is larger (diameter?)..."
count me outside the box again...

"...likely a SBF rear sump pickup tube would be a better candidate for modification but I don't have one to confirm this...."
me either. May B this wk I'll look closer at the 170's p/u tube'n screen. As posted earlier - the 170 pan (1968) is about 3X the weight of the 250 (it's a '69 - I think it's all in the metal's gauge).
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Post #68 by lavron » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:08 pm

My thoughts are to do the same as you and attach the lower section of a rear sump pan to the 250 pan, I will have to find said rear sump pan first and hope I don't mess either up in the conversion because I am not real sure where one would get another 250 pan in my neck of the woods (not entirely true, I do know where another 250 is currently in the bone yard)

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sump mods 250 (rear sump 200 p/u tube; pan/pan braze)

Post #69 by chad » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:36 am

yards R great, I C on fleebay, @ big bx stores & other on-line spots for pans.

I don't know but it seems 1 could pull the pump & attach a 'wrong sz'
tube/screen to it, then replace. Seeing that as the more interesting
of the 2 fab/mod operations. Getting it the right hight offa the pan
floor, to the best spot, level, etc would B my challenge.
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Post #70 by bmbm40 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:33 pm

Have you considered getting the wrecking yard 250 you are aware of? I have a spare 250 just in case.
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Post #71 by lavron » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:00 pm

bmbm40 wrote:Have you considered getting the wrecking yard 250 you are aware of?


Maybe parts only it is in a full sized Ford, no hood and no carb, so probably full of water and froze up.

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Post #72 by DreiPower61 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:13 pm

Excellent topic and thread! I am blown away by the amount of willing “positive” participants here! My hand book is on the way and I have a D2DE AA 250 block at the machine shop and awaiting a plan. I will be watching closely here! :thanks:
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Post #73 by lavron » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:11 am

Thanks I just wish I could move things along a little faster, but like I said it is a long term project I wish was done already :P Having to deal with non-car related stuff really slows a fellow down, plus dealing with rare parts and not wanting to throw a ton of cash at it.

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Post #74 by drag-200stang » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:39 am

I know how you feel..My car has been on stands longer than some of our members have been alive...I am about to say screw it,throw it together, roll it with a gallon of black hammer-tone ( to hide flaws) and go racing. :twisted:
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Post #75 by 65-coupe » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:23 pm

xctasy wrote:
lavron wrote:I got 6 of these today, Ford 2.5L HSC/OHV Connecting Rods, now I have to figure out how to make 2 of them say 5 & 6 :P :roll:

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Nice pick up, solves all the problems. :thumbup: :nod: :wow:


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Post #76 by DreiPower61 » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:31 pm

Searching for Silvolite 3332H .030 pistons and I can only come up with Flat Top. Any thoughts on where I could look to order what you received only .030?
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Post #77 by 65_Stang_170 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:06 pm

lavron wrote:Thanks I just wish I could move things along a little faster, but like I said it is a long term project I wish was done already :P Having to deal with non-car related stuff really slows a fellow down, plus dealing with rare parts and not wanting to throw a ton of cash at it.

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Any updates over the last 2 months? I have a 250 sitting in the garage waiting for me to give it some love...
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Post #78 by Fauxtura » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:58 pm

Following this thread. I have a 250 out of a '74 Maverick. I'm still on the fence on putting it in my '62 Falcon or find/trade for a 200. I have the 144 that came with the car. To my amazement it has a D7BE head. I plan to swap that to the 250 which currently has a C8DE. Putting suspension in car now. As soon as it is a roller again I will work on the driveline. Decisions, decisions.
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Post #79 by lavron » Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:25 am

Sorry again I didn't mean to leave you guys hanging just haven't been able to work on it, the project is not dead just so slow it appears that way.

Try to answer some questions even though I am sure you have found answers already
65-coupe wrote:Where did you get the rods from and what part number? thanks Brian

They are here, Clegg Engine http://www.cleggengine.com/ford-86-91-153ci-2-5l-connecting-rod.html

DreiPower61 wrote:Searching for Silvolite 3332H .030 pistons and I can only come up with Flat Top. Any thoughts on where I could look to order what you received only .030?

This is what I got but in .030 over https://www.carid.com/silv-o-lite/hyper-piston-set-3-681-bore-1-530-compression-height-0-030-oversizes-mpn-3332h-030.html Ignore the picture on the site, you can look up the actual piston on Silv-O-Lite's website, you also have to choose the right Australian Ford car where they ask for make, model, etc, I think you can look back in this thread and see what I used.

Be prepared to wait a very long time for stuff like the pistons, it took me like 6 months to get mine but maybe they made a few more when they made mine :roll:

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Post #80 by lavron » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:35 am

Just an update, I have been working the last 3 months replacing the suspension in my Comet, almost done, then I will hopefully get going on the motor.

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Post #81 by chad » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:30 am

"...replacing the suspension ..."
as this is ur build thread I'd B interested in seein what U came up for
components & installation techn.
I know this is "small block" forum but enjoy what those ahead of me do.
I may B closer to 70 than 60 y/o but still have lots ta learn!
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Post #82 by lavron » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:51 am

chad wrote:"...replacing the suspension ..."
as this is ur build thread I'd B interested in seein what U came up for
components & installation techn.


Installed a triangulated 4 link, Explorer 8.8 and air ride on the rear.

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Still have the air bags to install and start replacing the floor where I cut it out (some rust) and the gas tank (might fit a 70 Mustang tank in there).

The front is near finished as well, needs the upper bag mounts installed as well as the air bags.

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It is a Mustang 2 install I have cobbled together from various vendors.

Going to start mocking the 250 in there soon building motor and transmission (T5 from 96 Mustang) mounts and seeing how much I have to modify the oil pan, I think I can move the bottom of the pan up to 3.5" below the block surface and still clear all the rotating parts, it is going to be a tight fit for sure.

I actually have a build thread over on the Comet Central Forum and I can link to it if anyone wants to read it.

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Post #83 by chad » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:44 am

Thnx...
nice to C an ol Comet treated this way.
Surprised to C it called a 'budget build'
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"...it will be awesome."
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Post #84 by lavron » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:02 pm

Thanks Chad.

It is not lowest budget it could be but a lot of the stuff is from the junk yard, I probably have $500 or $600 in the M2 stuff and all of it is new, like I said it came from various places, the cross member is Welders Series parts.

The rear was probably half that and would even be cheaper if I was doing it again, I narrowed the rear myself and rebuilt the brake calipers, etc, the rear has a bit over 100,000 miles on it so I replaced the outer wheel bearings but not the inner ones, of course totally out of budget build was the aluminum Mustang rear cover :roll: the four link was a cheap kit off of eBay but I ended up only using some of the brackets so I would piece together if I was doing it again, I am using parts of it for other stuff however.

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Post #85 by chad » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:46 pm

must B more junk yrds in the upper Salem Plateau than around here!
Everything 10 + yrs old goes to the crusher 8^(
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Post #86 by lavron » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:40 pm

chad wrote:Everything 10 + yrs old goes to the crusher


I just bought the 250 out of the '77 Maverick last summer, that JY (actually a scrap yard) has cars from current all the way back to at least the late '40s or early '50s, I need to go back some time soon because I am getting a short list of things I want to find. When I bought the Ford 8.8 from there it was like $75 but I paid them $20 to remove it and then they charged me $10 to trade the long axle for a short one.

I am thinking about a radiator core support from a fox body Ford of some sort (maybe a Granada) to graft into the Comet so I can use wide thin radiator (single core) and maybe gain a little room, my core support needs some rust cut out of it anyway and I am also going to add AC (for the wife) so if I can squeeze it all in there by using the more modern Core support I will give it a try. I would also like to find a Ford Contour dual electric fan setup.

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Post #87 by chad » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:28 am

"... a Ford Contour dual electric fan setup."
some us use the Taurus (not sure Y...'thickness", could it B due to 1 wire alternator compatibility, IDK).

All of this is out 4 me but if I hear of modern (post 60s/70s) components I can then source frm rock auto or others. I just can't go to the yards, walk around, C what ford's done to improve'n drop in my vehicle. I put some discs in up frnt that way. Heard the el dorados would fit (need e-brake to run the roads here) my rears so grabbed them frm the prts place I worked @ the time. Now I'm goin for the canned ham PS pump.
8.8's a great rear end - right in the middle (weight/strength).
If U see any '73/9 F250 knuckles and out (plus axels/not housing or chunk), the bronk can use alla dat too. That way I can put on wuntuns.
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Post #88 by lavron » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:46 am

While you all are waiting on my engine build info I thought maybe you would enjoy this picture (or not) the top is when I started on June 15th and the bottom is yesterday Sept 14th.

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I am nearly all installed with the suspension and have the air bags installed (the bottom picture is fully aired out) I am pretty happy with it, going to try and get the engine/trans mocked in and my mounts built next along with brakes, hopefully the motor can get to the machine shop this next month. :roll:

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Post #89 by chad » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:10 am

I C a " 202 " on the frnt fender of some of them.
Can U tell me abt that?
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Post #90 by lavron » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:41 pm

chad wrote:I C a " 202 " on the frnt fender of some of them.
Can U tell me abt that?


It is just a trim level, mine is a 202 which means it is a base model sedan, there was a step up sedan the 404 that had more body trim, both 202s and 404s were available as either 2 or 4 door models, then there were the 2 dr hardtop and convertible Calientes and then Cyclones, the Cyclones were sporty ones, I can't remember for sure but I don't think you could get a Cyclone conv., and of course there were wagons in various trim levels.

It never really designated engines/drivetrain because in the 60s you could pretty much put any drivetrain that was offered in any car, but most of the 202s were probably 170 I6 powered with 3 on the tree like mine.

Probably more than you wanted to know :roll:

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Post #91 by chad » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:23 pm

"...Probably more than you wanted to know..."
not at all, I wouldn't have asked.
AND thank you for the info (inc the "404').

"...put any drivetrain that was offered in any car."
so different today. Just order it & the factory set 1 aside 4 U.
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Post #92 by Econoline » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:49 pm

I'm loving the stance!!!
It ain't gonna fix itself

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Post #93 by bmbm40 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:56 pm

It's got that stealth look!
66 Bronco-1970 250, NV3550, DSII, 4 turn ps, uncut, 1" bl, 2.5" sl, front disc, twin stick D 20, 30 x 9.50
NEXT- direct mount 1.08 on D8 head, power brakes, rear limited slip, 3G, electric fan, electric upgrades, custom curved DSII, header, 31" tires

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Post #94 by bubba22349 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:58 pm

:shock: :cool: nice and low going to be a great looking Merc :thumbup: :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #95 by lavron » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:43 pm

At least I am to the point of mocking up the engine and transmission, getting closer day by day :roll:

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Going to get the mounts all built and hopefully get it off the the machine shop.

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Post #96 by Econoline » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:32 am

It's looking good. You've got to love the straight forward nature of a straight six.
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Post #97 by lavron » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:43 pm

Got my motor mounts and transmission mount built and installed, everything sits in there good, pretty happy with it so far :D
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Trying to figure out oil pan modifications now :roll:

Just an FYI I shifted the motor over in the front slightly to the right and raised the left side maybe a 1/4" so the motor sits about 3 degrees tilted left to right, I wanted to make more room for the oil pump to clear the steering rack.

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Post #98 by lavron » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:01 am

I have been working on running my brake lines and doing the air ride, I know everyone is interested in what happens to the 250 (me too) but I try and set goals each month (my month runs from the 15th to the 15th) on the build, last month was supposed to be brake plumbing but seemed to involve a lot of things, like building the motor and transmission mounts, before I ship the motor off I want to get my oil pan modifications done (or started) as well. I finished the brakes except for running the line to back because there is floorboard work to do and did not want it in the way.

I will show you my air ride control box I am building, it is just half put together here, and just running shop air, but it works, the car goes up and down while sitting in the drivers seat :P
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I am doing an all manual system, the picture shows the paddle valves, check valves and manifold. The two switches you can see the bottoms of on the upper right are a cutoff switch for the compressor and a momentary switch to work a tank drain I am planning.

On a different note, I also picked up a couple more Motorcraft 740s (5740) carbs, I may need help figuring out everything on them, I have not been finding a lot of info on the web, Xctasy seems to know more about them than most everything I have found so I may have questions :roll: I know I show the Autolite 1100 on there in the picture but decided they were too small so doing 3 of the 740's instead (I hope).

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Post #99 by lavron » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:30 pm

The guys over on my Comet Forum wanted too see my air ride system in action so I did a little video.

I have never done air ride before, I have never even seen a car on bags (in person) so don't be too critical of my work and ignore my messy shed please :oops:

https://vimeo.com/297803199

Certainly it is still a work in progress and I have a ways to go.

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Post #100 by Econoline » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:16 pm

NICE :thumbup:
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