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Post #1 by 62Cometman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:42 pm

Ive compiled as many of the HotRod Magazine articles from the 60's as i personally own. Im sure im missing a few and if anyone wants better pictures of a certain part of a page let me know which one and ill try to get it for you.

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Post #4 by 62Cometman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:50 pm

Thought id share one of the write ins i saw

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Post #9 by chad » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:36 pm

very nice.
I C they were usin the DOCEs then
and the Keihins.
Did a quick read & didn't C where they got intakes for these.
Will hafta go back'n read more closely!

Thanks for your work!
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Post #10 by cr_bobcat » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:32 am

Fantastic stuff! Thank you for uploading!
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Post #11 by StarDiero75 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:45 pm

Just curious,

How might one go about getting this supercharger on a 200 and what will be needed to set it up? Im talking low boost here like no special internal block work other than a nicely done 250 head.
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Post #12 by chad » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:38 pm

My understanding (probably wrong) is there is no need for special block changes. I think that's just for turbos above 8 or 10 # boost?
BTW: I have a spare supercharger (in parts).
Plez consider a post over on the other forum ("Nitros, etc..." 4 more detail.
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Post #13 by StarDiero75 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:22 am

chad wrote:My understanding (probably wrong) is there is no need for special block changes. I think that's just for turbos above 8 or 10 # boost?
BTW: I have a spare supercharger (in parts).
Plez consider a post over on the other forum ("Nitros, etc..." 4 more detail.

Im not looking at doing this now. Just something i was curious about. I have another 200 im thinking of hot rodding. Tripower 1904 glass bowls kinda thing. I thought the supercharger might be a nice touch.
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Post #14 by rbohm » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:22 am

StarDiero75 wrote:Just curious,

How might one go about getting this supercharger on a 200 and what will be needed to set it up? Im talking low boost here like no special internal block work other than a nicely done 250 head.


how much boost do you plan to run? it doesnt matter the type of charger, be it a turbo or some form of supercharger, what matters is how much boost you plan to run, and how well you control your air/fuel ratios. for instance if you plan on limiting boost pressure to around 6 - 8 psi, then you can put said charger on a stock motor, assuming a compression ratio no higher than 9:1, on a stock motor and have no issues to speak of. unless you have no control over the air/fuel ratio.

its all in the combination my friend.
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Post #15 by StarDiero75 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:10 pm

rbohm wrote:
StarDiero75 wrote:Just curious,

How might one go about getting this supercharger on a 200 and what will be needed to set it up? Im talking low boost here like no special internal block work other than a nicely done 250 head.


how much boost do you plan to run? it doesnt matter the type of charger, be it a turbo or some form of supercharger, what matters is how much boost you plan to run, and how well you control your air/fuel ratios. for instance if you plan on limiting boost pressure to around 6 - 8 psi, then you can put said charger on a stock motor, assuming a compression ratio no higher than 9:1, on a stock motor and have no issues to speak of. unless you have no control over the air/fuel ratio.

its all in the combination my friend.

How do i control the air/fuel ratio? Just adjust the jets accordingly?
I probably wont go higher than 9:1 in general anyway since i want to be able to run pump gas. Maybe 9.2:1 if i dont supercharge it. I kinda like the idea of supercharging rather turbocharging since i dont have to run the plumbing for it and stuff. For some reason a supercharged 200 sounds cooler than a turbocharged 200 lol.
Probably only about 8lbs max. Im not looking at a street demon but something thatll spin the tires when i step on it.
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Post #16 by rbohm » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:22 pm

carb jetting is one way to control the fuel mixture, you can also add an extra carb in the right place to make the fuel mixture more even across all cylinders.
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Post #17 by 62Cometman » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:53 pm

One of the biggest issues I've found is that even in a stock 8.5:1 compression in one of these engines dynamic compression with 8psi comes to about 12:1-12.5:1 meaning you have to run 100-105 octane which 90% of gas stations dont carry. The go around for most is E85 which is usually right around 115 or so depending on mixture however since the BTU output isn't anywhere close to standard gasoline you have to run much much richer mixture to get the same power output and fuel economy tends to suffer as such.

The other option is to get a octane booster , and no not those cheap auto parts store rip offs that are basically just a ethonal based additive, but companies like torco, klotz, or VP racing all offer actual octane boosters that do their job but obviously they are much more pricey a 20 dollar 32 oz can treats 20 gallons up at least 10 points bringing a 91 to 101 obviously the higher concentrate to gallon ratio the more points it raises, check out torco's website lots of good info there on fuel in general too

Also with boost you have to worry about boost referencing your fuel input as well as ignition advance, both easily done with electronic pump and aftermarket ignition box and a boost referenced fuel pressure regulator
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Post #18 by rbohm » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:59 am

62, i understand what you are saying, but one thing to remember is that dynamic compression varies depending on what cam is installed, and even what specs are called for. for instance if you tighten up the lobe separation angle from 110 degrees to 106, you actually lower the dynamic compression at lower speeds, as you bleed off pressure from the cylinders.

one has to remember that they are not just throwing parts at an engine and hoping they work. it is a system, and the parts need to be complimentary of each other for the system to work the best.
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Post #19 by chad » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:11 am

This is becoming a great thread. I'm subscribed!

I'm wondering if I'm being a nanny...should we continue on a separate thread?
I'd luv to keep the great wrk done on the mag. scan-in

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Post #20 by CZLN6 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:19 am

HOwdy All:

Hey Cometman- Thanks for the old Hot Rod Magazine article scans. These should be archived for future reference. I've got those issues around, someplace. That's where I keep important stuff- around, someplace.

Thanks again.

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Post #21 by woodbutcher » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:10 pm

:hmmm: This looks like fun.I`ll saddle up and go along for the ride.
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Post #22 by bubba22349 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:13 pm

:beer: 62 Cometman, nice collection of articles! I have been looking for an article that Ak Miller did on building up an early Maverick think it was sometime around 1969 or 70. Thank you for those scans :thumbup: :nod:

I came accross this early Hot Rod article on the first 144 six's a few weeks ago (see below links) showing how even the 144's were being built up into a fun rides back in the day! Just as soon as the first 1960 Ford Falcons hit the show rooms in about September of 1959 people started to Hot Rod and race the little Falcons. This article also shows for the first time how a 3 X 1V carb installation was done. Edited

Making The Falcon Fly
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/att ... g.1259822/

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/att ... g.1259823/

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/att ... g.1259824/

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/att ... g.1259825/

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/att ... g.1259826/

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/att ... g.1259827/

Plus if you wanted too a 144 can be made into a 170 easily and probably at a low cost! 144's and 170's share the same bore size, so all you need is to drop in the 170 ratating assembly, i.e. The Crank, Rods, and Pistons. Also if you could find an early 200 4 main crankshaft it would drop right into a 144 or 170 block along with a set of 170 or 200 conecting Rods. :nod:
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Post #23 by rbohm » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:07 pm

CZLN6 wrote:HOwdy All:

Hey Cometman- Thanks for the old Hot Rod Magazine article scans. These should be archived for future reference. I've got those issues around, someplace. That's where I keep important stuff- around, someplace.

Thanks again.

Adios, David


good suggestion david, i have stickied this thread, and when it plays out ultimately i will archive it.
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Post #24 by 1strodeo » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:38 pm

Wow this is a great thread, thanks for all the scans, especially to bubba for the 3x1 article very good info. Being in the Bronco community I've heard plenty of praise for Bill Stroppe, but had no idea he was in on this stuff.

So if Stroppe sold his 3x1 configuration to Ford, and H&M and Edelbrock configurations were similar, what happened to the latter two? How and when did Offy get involved?

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Post #25 by chad » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:13 pm

Off. wuz here in the 30s started in marine racing, came over to cars & developed early record breakers. 70/80 yrs now. They have been an Indy winner 50s - 70s. This helps sell parts to folk like us.

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Post #26 by bubba22349 » Mon May 13, 2019 12:04 am

Here's some more Ford Small Six Magazine Articles that Xctasy had posted in the past! Enjoy :thumbup:

https://fordsix.com//viewtopic.php?f=1&t=72632
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