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Found an engine

Post #1 by Georgia200 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:00 pm

This weekend Im picking up a 1974 250, complete from air cleaner to pan with an ac compressor and ps pump.

Im also picking up a 8in and all four drum brakes.

When finished I will have the 250, C4, 2.79, ps, ac, 5 lug power drum brakes, 215-75-14 on Ranger 14x6 steel wheels and 67 Mustang hubcaps.

As soon as I disassemble and see that the engine is sound I will start collecting all the misc parts to swap from the 200 to 250.

Now I need to figure out how to build the 250.

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Post #2 by chad » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:33 am

do u have a ranger or maverick to go with it?
sounds like a great start!
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Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", tool boxes, etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Post #3 by StarDiero75 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:40 am

If its got the flat top head you could look at getting it setup for a direct mount 2bbl. Thats what im doing with my E0xxx head on my C6xxx 200.
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Post #4 by Georgia200 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:48 am

Ive got a new 1100 carb I will use for now and sometime in the future I will use my other head for a direct mount 2100.

First thing will be getting the bottom end built and getting the parts to reuse my 200 C4, its a reman unit that is in excellent condition.

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have drive train, rear end, accessories

Post #5 by chad » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:35 am

"...do u have a Ranger or Maverick ..." or something else to put them in?
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", tool boxes, etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Re: Found an engine

Post #6 by Georgia200 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:50 pm

Its going in my 67 Mustang coupe.

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Post #7 by chad » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:20 pm

Oh, OK, enjoy it George!
Will it B a DD, a track or strip mo-cheen, a hot rod?
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", tool boxes, etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Post #8 by bmbm40 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:30 pm

Nice collection of parts you have gathered up!
66 Bronco-1970 250, NV3550, DSII, 4 turn ps, uncut, 1" bl, 2.5" sl, front disc, twin stick D 20, 30 x 9.50
NEXT- direct mount 1.08 on D8 head, power brakes, rear limited slip, 3G, electric fan, electric upgrades, custom curved DSII, header, 31" tires

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Post #9 by rocklord » Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:33 pm

What vehicle is the 8-inch out of?
If it's out of a Maverick, it will be too narrow for your 67 Mustang.
Maverick - 56.5"
67-68 Mustang - 59.25"
Also check the distance between the spring perches on the 8-inch to make sure they're wide enough to fit your springs.
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Post #10 by Georgia200 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:01 am

The 8 inch is out of a 69 Mustang. If its in good shape, in it goes, if not, I will have it rebuilt into a limited slip.

The 5 lug drums come complete with spindles from a 68 Mustang. I dont need the spindles, they are the same as my 67 spindles. Im going to tear the brakes apart for the backing plates, hubs, drums and replace everything else.

My car is in good shape, the PO rebuilt the front end, C4 is a reman about a year old, it has factory power brakes, rust free.

I hope the weather doesnt throw a wrench into my weekend plans, forecast is heavy rain and possible tornadoes.

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Post #11 by Georgia200 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:31 pm

A mixed bag:

I was on the road all day Fri and Sat on a parts run, about 800 miles.

The 8in is in great shape, paid $175. 2.79 gears and 10x2 brakes. Im going to clean it up, change the gear oil and bolt it in.

The same guy sold me a set of 10x2.5 drums for the front, excellent condition, rust free, everything inside new. All I have to do is grease them up and bolt them on. $50

I paid $30 for the 250. Seller wanted it gone. It has all the brackets and pulleys for ac and ps.

I got it home and pulled the plugs, theres water in the block. He lost his garage in Hurricane Michael and he said its been outside for about 2 weeks.

Im going to pull the head, drain it, pour ATF in the cylinders and let it sit for a couple days. It wouldnt turn over with a breaker bar, Im guessing the rings are rusted to the cylinder walls. I hope I can save the block.

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Post #12 by Georgia200 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:30 pm

Progress:

I have a D2DE block and a C9DE head. There was a steel head gasket.

Pulled the accessories and head off today.

There was water in #5 and some rust scale, otherwise the bores looked great. If not for #5, I may have been able to get away with honing and a ring job.

I had a lot of trouble getting the dizzy out, but it finally gave up the fight and came out.

Im still fighting the oil filter and exhaust manifold.

The converter bolts are rounded, now that the dizzy is out Im hoping I can get the crank to turn

The oil pan has oil in it, no water on the dipstick.

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Post #13 by bmbm40 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:40 pm

Some good deals and good progress.
66 Bronco-1970 250, NV3550, DSII, 4 turn ps, uncut, 1" bl, 2.5" sl, front disc, twin stick D 20, 30 x 9.50
NEXT- direct mount 1.08 on D8 head, power brakes, rear limited slip, 3G, electric fan, electric upgrades, custom curved DSII, header, 31" tires

New guy? Get the Falcon Performance Handbook and Ford six high performance parts from https://vintageinlines.com

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Post #14 by Georgia200 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:40 pm

A couple pics. There doesnt seem like room to increase the size of the exhaust valves to 1.5 in.
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Post #15 by StarDiero75 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:44 pm

Georgia200 wrote:A couple pics. There doesnt seem like room to increase the size of the exhaust valves to 1.5 in.

That to me looks like a closed chamber. I believe those are nice to have.
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Post #16 by CZLN6 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:11 pm

Howdy All:

Georgia- Take a look at the suffix after the 4 digit head code. If it is an "M", you are good. If it is any other code you have an earlier head with a 52cc chamber. Check it out.

On the 1.5" exhaust the diameter is only .012" larger than the stock 1.38" exhaust valves. Half of that diameter difference goes to each side so the new valve will come .006" closer to the edge of the chamber. No worries.

I hope that helps. Keep it coming.

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Post #17 by mustang6 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:24 am

That to me looks like a closed chamber. I believe those are nice to have.


Actually, that is a typical 200/250 open chamber. See the comparison below:

1970 closed chamber 170 ci head

170-1.jpg


1969 open chamber 250 ci head (getting a cc: check done after milling)

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'open' v 'closed' CC

Post #18 by chad » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:07 pm

what's the difference mean?
compression? ease in valve change? shrouding?
thnx!
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Post #19 by Georgia200 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:16 pm

It is an M casting, the same as my 200 head. It has a 1.75 carb opening, same as my 200 head. Im going to reuse my new 1100 for now, maybe mill the other head for a 2100 down the road.

Im going to need a new rocker assembly. The standard non-adjustable will be fine. Where is the best place to source one?

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Post #20 by CZLN6 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:08 am

Howdy Back:

One more question- What is the diameter of the intake valves faces. They could measure 1.68" (early) or 1.75" (later). The change to 1.75" valve happened sometime in 1974/75. 1.75" valves measured across the faces would be ideal.

Since the engine still had a steel shim head gasket I'm guessing the has not been rebuilt yet. If so the combustion chambers should measure about 62 cc in volume. Have you given any thought to a goal compression ratio with this head?

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Post #21 by Georgia200 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:57 pm

The intake valves look to be 1.68.

By the looks of things, Im pretty sure the exhaust valves will need to be replaced. I had a set off 144 intake valves, but I cant find them, Im thinking I gave them to a guy I sold a 200 to.

Progress: The block is bare except for the dipstick tube, it looks like it is pressed in, some heat should coax it put.

Im dropping the block and crank at the machine shop next week. Im hoping for a .030 overbore. I will also have cam bearings installed.

As soon as the shop tells me the block and crank are ok, I will need to start ordering parts.

This will be a DD/weekend cruiser. C4, 2.79 gears, ac, ps. I want a smooth idle and low maintenance. Im not looking to go fast or tear up the curves, I just want a dependable classic to cruise around in. When this is done, Im going to try and buy a 66 F100 Ive had my eye on for awhile. Then Im selling everything else and driving classics. Well the wife will keep her 17 ecoboost.

Im planning on a stock top end, DSII, autolite 1100, 8.8-9.0 compression.

No idea on what brand or profile can. Im interested in Mikes "budget 250 build" I would like to go his route on pistons and rods to bring the compression up.

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Post #22 by StarDiero75 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:50 pm

Georgia200 wrote:The intake valves look to be 1.68.

By the looks of things, Im pretty sure the exhaust valves will need to be replaced. I had a set off 144 intake valves, but I cant find them, Im thinking I gave them to a guy I sold a 200 to.

Progress: The block is bare except for the dipstick tube, it looks like it is pressed in, some heat should coax it put.

Im dropping the block and crank at the machine shop next week. Im hoping for a .030 overbore. I will also have cam bearings installed.

As soon as the shop tells me the block and crank are ok, I will need to start ordering parts.

This will be a DD/weekend cruiser. C4, 2.79 gears, ac, ps. I want a smooth idle and low maintenance. Im not looking to go fast or tear up the curves, I just want a dependable classic to cruise around in. When this is done, Im going to try and buy a 66 F100 Ive had my eye on for awhile. Then Im selling everything else and driving classics. Well the wife will keep her 17 ecoboost.

Im planning on a stock top end, DSII, autolite 1100, 8.8-9.0 compression.

No idea on what brand or profile can. Im interested in Mikes "budget 250 build" I would like to go his route on pistons and rods to bring the compression up.

Right on man! I've been dailying a 65 Ranchero w/200 3 OTT for 2 years now. I love seeing people daily classics, its what they were originally meant for. I want a car next, either a Falcon wagon or a early 70s maverick.

Continue to let us know how its going. I just got an E0xxx head and want to do a direct autolite 2bbl onto it. So if you go that route let me know how it goes
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Re: Found an engine

Post #23 by Georgia200 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:19 am

Way back I had a 71 250/3spd Grabber. It was a fun car, zippy, great mileage for the time. Yellow with black and a set of Keystone Classics. Ive got a pic somewhere.

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