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Part Interchangeability

Post #1 by spacecadet » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:37 pm

I've come to learn, with huge help from this forum, that my block is a '78 (D8BE-GE) and my head is from an '80-82 (E0BE-BB). When purchasing parts, I notice minor part number differences, but in most cases look identical. Take these water pumps:

CARDONE 5521119 (1978 FORD FAIRMONT 3.3L 200cid L6)
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=680342&cc=1127562&jsn=12744&jsn=12744&jsn=12744

CARDONE 5521112 (1968 FORD MUSTANG 3.3L 200cid L6)
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=680238&cc=1132311&jsn=12747

I assume I should purchase the 1978 Fairmont water pump, or? Any insight?

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Re: Part Interchangeability

Post #2 by rocklord » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:21 pm

It depends on what vehicle you're installing the engine in.

CARDONE 5521119 (1978 FORD FAIRMONT 3.3L 200cid L6)
6 impellers, rotates clockwise, hub height - 4.79"

CARDONE 5521112 (1968 FORD MUSTANG 3.3L 200cid L6)
8 impellers, rotates counter-clockwise, hub height - 3.95"

The one for the 68 Mustang won't work in a 78 Fairmont, and the one for the 78 Fairmont won't work in a 68 Mustang.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Part Interchangeability

Post #3 by spacecadet » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:29 pm

I have a '68 Mustang with what appears to be an engine transplant, block/head codes in my op.

Im not sure which parts I should order. It would make sense that given the block is a '78, I should buy parts for a '78, but the car body is a '68 Mustang.

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Re: Part Interchangeability

Post #4 by StarDiero75 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:51 am

spacecadet wrote:I have a '68 Mustang with what appears to be an engine transplant, block/head codes in my op.

Im not sure which parts I should order. It would make sense that given the block is a '78, I should buy parts for a '78, but the car body is a '68 Mustang.

I think you have to use the 68 pump since the 78 is longer and might hit the radiator. I ran into this issue when i looked at putting a 78 200 into my 65 Ranchero. I supossedly had to change the balancer and water pump to make it work. But the 65 is a smaller car. Whats in it now? Measure the length of the pump and match it.
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Re: Part Interchangeability

Post #5 by xctasy » Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:42 am

Check long and short nose three bolt water pumps. One is 4 inches, the other later one is 4-1/2 inches like the four bolt 250 water pump. Fans differ to suit the ancillary drive; so do pulleys. Crank pulleys on the 250 wont fit 200s. Rickwrench is da mayn on how to repurpose the long snout Fox 78 to 83 pump to fit a rounbody ...a new pump pulley was copied from his websites brother of Richwrench design. Same smarts with using the Alfa Romeo Alfetta and Mercedes Benz 190E clutch for 2.77 trsnsmissions. The guy is a painting and airsuit guru.

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which water pump to use

Post #6 by chad » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:03 pm

there's a lill help frm the Handbook too.
I grabbed the alu from Summit that's suggested frm there: prt #
GMB-125-1380
for my '69 250, w/o realizin it was the recommended (better impeller to move more H2O in an AC car).
I forget but the last number (1380) may change for the 200 if U have that (12xx?).
Look in the Handbook for some pic, look on line Summit to compaire, understand more....
GMB is a recommended co as well.
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Re: Part Interchangeability

Post #7 by spacecadet » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:55 pm

Thank you everyone, great feedback. I'll check the handbook!

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Re: Part Interchangeability

Post #8 by Econoline » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:47 pm

That counterclockwise spec on the 78 has to be a typo by the mfr. There were no serpentine 200's, they all go clockwise as far as I know. There is a short and long version.
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Re: Part Interchangeability

Post #9 by JackFish » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:35 pm

A reverse rotation could be used in a marine engine.
1978 Ford Fairmont station wagon
1978 Ford Fairmont station wagon
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H20 Pump snout length

Post #10 by chad » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:00 am

"...short and long version...." snout .
Again - see p 45, Handbook.
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"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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