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Post #101 by falconizer_62 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:51 am

some updates...

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Post #102 by longroof » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:48 pm

so give us some captions for these pictures ya got here.

Looking good...
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Post #103 by Crosley » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:31 pm

ok... I see new upper control arms... modified for the bag use.

Upper bag mounts; are you gonna box in around the new fabbed upper mount? The built in adjustment holes are a very good plan.

What about plans for the shock absorbers for the front?

thanks for the photos , it's kool to view this stuff
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Post #104 by Falcon Ranch » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:52 pm

Crosley wrote:ok... I see new upper control arms... modified for the bag use.

Upper bag mounts; are you gonna box in around the new fabbed upper mount? The built in adjustment holes are a very good plan.

What about plans for the shock absorbers for the front?

thanks for the photos , it's kool to view this stuff

He's running those expensive bags that have the shock already built in...a very inspiring build, YES!...at the moment I have way more time then money, now if I can only reverse my situation...LOL...I'd be set :lol:

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Post #105 by falconizer_62 » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:42 am

in answer to previous questions/requests...
...I shortened the control arms 1.5", yes, they have the built in shocks but not too expensive. $1,100 for 4 bags (2 internal adjustable shocks), air tank, fittings, hose, valves and electronics.
I will box in the shock towers after I can get it on the ground and set ride height accurately. still have to fab shock tower braces, monte carlo bar, strut rods, sway bar and steering rack mount.

pic 1 shows upper rear bag mount and upper shock mount final welded, but tacked into the car for final fitment.

pic 2 shows the finished rear set up minus the bags as I am waiting for a plug.

Pic 3 shows the shortened control arm with lower front plates...

pic 4 shows the upper shock mount. I have the bags in upside down. (I checked with the manufacturer and the shocks will work this way)
the mounts are made from 1/4" plate I had bent. to the uppermost holes will bolt the clevis tabs for the tower braces and monte carlo bar.

pic 5 shows where the a arms are cut and the bag allignment, as well as how the front tire sits in the fender nice and can turn :D

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Post #106 by LaGrasta » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:24 am

continues to be an amazing build.

On a side note: Kai, being both a Christian and a musician, you should swing by the Hot Rod Church For Sinners. I've been attending both Saddleback Church and HRCFS each week lately.
HRCFS has fantastic live Christian rockabilly, a fantastic set of people I look forward to seeing each week and a parking lot full of hot rods!

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Post #107 by Falcon Ranch » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:34 am

falconizer_62, I helped a buddy of mine install a Ranger rear end in has '63...I wanted to point out that if you find a 90-92 4.0 engine and auto trans...the center offset is minimal like only 2"...total width 56" and was an 8.8 trac.loc with 3.55 gears...the only mod we did was move the spring perches inward...I just thought I'd throw that out there for you in case you came across one at the yard.

Who was your bag supplier...as I though QA1 was the only one making the air bag shocks @ $700 each :shock: ...$1100 is a great deal for a complete system...I would recommend looking into a better then stock upper A-arm pivot as you will be putting a lot of added stress on a factory style A-arm...I'm sure Mustang Steve might have an improved pivot...just a suggestion with all the up and down you'll be doing.

I've thought of doing bags on the front of my Ranch, but haven't quite figured out a way to use a cheap bag and just relocate the shock.

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Post #108 by falconizer_62 » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:51 am

That is good information on that Ranger diff.
I will check into the suggestion of a better control arm pivot point. There are a few weak parts of the original control arm design, but I figured I would improve them after they failed... I can no longer afford to buy a new arm and remake everything if the ball joints goes bad for instance.
I don't like the lower control arm bushing either...
LaGrasta,
the Hot Rod Church For Sinners sounds cool. What days do they meet?
... I guess I could check the link duh..
good hearing from you. Seems like it's getting about time for your annual pilgrimage out this way :wink:
peace out
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Post #109 by Falcon Ranch » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:31 pm

With Ford having bolt on ball joints, it wouldn't surprise me if you do decide to just build your own A-arms and new lower arm...once you build a jig, duplication would be simple.

Your long roof is looking great!
P.S. you never said where you got your Bag system from?
Dave 8)

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Post #110 by falconizer_62 » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:03 am

I got them from this guy
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/member.php?u=906

on the HAMB

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Post #111 by falconizer_62 » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:47 pm

I love California weather!
Well, chipping away at the airbag system, made a mount for the valves and the compressor, as well as started the tunnel work needed...

the tank was made for a trunk mount, so I had to modify it to be able to mounted sideways for the wagon.
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This is the start of the compressor and valve platform
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the compressor mounts...
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the compressor and valves...
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the caddy tail lights couldn't fit the '62 lenses better!!!
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tunnel work...
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little by little it's coming along!!

how about a few of your projects for inspiration?...
peace,
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Post #112 by longroof » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:37 pm

looking good. any progress? will the stock rear seat fit ok with the tunnel raised?
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Post #113 by 69.5Mav » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:05 pm

Any Progress?

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Post #114 by falconizer_62 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:29 pm

I have not worked on the wagon for quite some time. :-( I do miss it!

We had a guest speaker (a financial guy) speak to our high school kids about finances, interest, credit cards etc., and he laid out a plan for paying off multiple credit cards where you focus on getting the smallest one paid off first. Then you take what you were paying on that one and applying it to the next smallest one etc. I had to do this with my project resources of time, physical energy and capital (project money).
Our daily driver Daewoo cracked the block and died and we replaced it with a 1972 Chevy shortbread truck. I installed a Classic Air AC system, and fixed some initial problems that cropped up and now it's pretty much a driver. The 66 coupe (which is also a daily driver) got a new diff, driveshaft, a new trans and all-new steering. I am currently installing a manual rack and pinion system on "The Snake" and have a new-ish functioning engine ready to go in. That car hasn't run for at least a couple years and for less than a grand I can have the roadster back! When "The Snake" is back on the road, I will try to complete our 1966 Aristocrat trailer restoration. After this, I will give the wagon 100% of my focus instead of subdividing it to many smaller, competing tasks.

It feels really good to finish something though.
I'll Be Back!

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Post #115 by 69.5Mav » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:55 pm

falconizer_62 wrote:It feels really good to finish something though.
I'll Be Back!


Thank You for the update. I hope you succeed at your plans.

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Post #116 by stevexysupersix » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:15 pm

falconizer_62 wrote:
...welded it and dressed the welds, and boxed the ends. We then drilled to 3/4" holes in the bottom, attached some magnets, and hit it with a rubber mallet and shook it for a while to pick up all of the slag. After that we filled it up with expandable spray foam and put on some plugs.
voilà
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8) cross member fabrication. Your work is truly remarkable. I'm sure I speak for a few when I say, "wish I could weld like that"
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Post #117 by falconizer_62 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:42 pm

thanks y'all :D

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The wagon finally sits on its own tires!

Post #118 by falconizer_62 » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:52 pm

I haven't actually worked on the car for a while, because a few other projects came up and jumped the line. One of these projects is getting the roadster back on the road. So the roadster went into the garage, and the wagon went into the carport. This is the first time in probably three years (maybe more) that the wagon has been off of the jack stands and out in the driveway. :D
There was some air trapped in the rear bags that I could not remove without a battery, so the rear will come down another 2 inches. Other than that, it was great to see it outside and add an entirely new angle.


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Post #119 by LaGrasta » Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:42 am

Ahhh, the light of day.
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Post #120 by smalltown62wagon » Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:00 pm

hows the wagon project? been waiting for pics so i can possibly copycat on my 62 wagon
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Post #121 by falconizer_62 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:12 pm

it's on hold till I get the Mustang back on the road and our trailer is done. Still plenty to copy cat though... I can't wait to get back on it again.

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Post #122 by steveg » Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:31 pm

Still on hold? We need our fix!

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Post #123 by falconizer_62 » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:43 am

no actually, the hold is being lifted! Just getting ready to get back into it. I finished the trailer, and next is to get a space in order so I can work on it. I got a plasma cutter and tig welder (set em up yesterday) for making all the front end parts! YAY :D

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Post #124 by steveg » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:07 am

That's good to hear! I'm looking forward to seeing some more progress!

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Post #125 by falconizer_62 » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:35 am

so is my wife, as it's her car. It was her 40th Birthday present...she's now 45. But, the trailer was a great and worthy project and now we can camp in comfort and style. Next, finish the wagon to pull it...

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Post #126 by steveg » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:58 am

falconizer_62 wrote:so is my wife, as it's her car. It was her 40th Birthday present...she's now 45. But, the trailer was a great and worthy project and now we can camp in comfort and style. Next, finish the wagon to pull it...

That's too freakin' cool. How about some photos of the trailer?

The wife and I were just talking about possibly making our (my current daily driver) 65 Falcon Squire her everyday car in a few years after it's painted and converted to power steering, discs, etc. I just built a hitch for it on Sunday and we'll be towing our pop-up with it next weekend for a camping trip. Should be fun!

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Post #127 by falconizer_62 » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:10 pm

The hitch looks great, man! Here is a grainy video tour of the trailer...
http://youtu.be/EfbD4bgiz0E

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Post #128 by steveg » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:29 pm

That, sir, is insane! Well done.

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Post #129 by Frankenstang » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:56 am

Too cool :thumbup: Especially dig the red laminate/formica 8)
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Post #130 by falcon fanatic » Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:38 pm

Hey falconizer, sweet work. By the way, what is the exhsut setup on your mustang. I watched the video of your canyon run and I love the sound, and since I'm presently building an exhaust...
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Post #131 by falconizer_62 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:24 pm

headers, 2 1/2" pipes, H-pipe, spin techs, side exit. Most of the tone comes from the compression and cam though. It didn't sound like that with the 289 that was in there for 2 days...
If you want pics of what I did for the last 3 and a half years, here is the entire trailer build in chronological order. It is technically the back of the wagon, so in theory, it is all the same project. You can see the wagon in some of the pics.
You can simply cruise through 3 1/2 years with the touch of your finger...enjoy??

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Post #132 by falcon fanatic » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:21 am

Spintechs, they definitely have a distinctive sound. Well, I've got a hot cam and 10:1, so that will help, but then it's a 200 :oops: Thanks for the info!
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Post #133 by michael_cini » Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:15 am

wow, the trailer looks great! i saw it last year when it was nearly done, but wow, that is a crazy amount of work you did, and it's all top notch. congrats!
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