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Re: Rebuild 65 200 I6 Block.

Post #201 by echo1955 » Thu May 19, 2011 2:35 pm

Work In Progress Part IV

OK I have finished the build up to installing my roller rockers. Mike says he should have them ready for distribution around late spring or early summer.
By my calendar it is near time.

Just waiting on them little guys now to finish this motor..
I have 2 new videos part III and IV that shows what I have completed and as usual there is a bit of humor to. :mrgreen:

Looking goooooood :beer:

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Post #202 by Frankenstang » Thu May 19, 2011 2:54 pm

echo1955 wrote:Looking goooooood


Yes sir! Like the monkey said when he got his tail cut-off...'ain't long now' :lol:

Did you figure out what the deal was with your dual roller setup? :?

Gotta say my favorite is Part II - The Five Families :rolflmao: :rolflmao: ...but it's coming along nicely Echo :thumbup:
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Post #203 by echo1955 » Thu May 19, 2011 4:20 pm

Well I give that monkey kudos for looking at the up side… Never mind his loss of blood, maybe some shock and da pain…. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The machine shop said the ID of the crank sprocket was almost 0.002 to big. I checked the part number on the set and it indicated it was for a Ford JP 5608 to suit Canadian Block 250cui six cylinder.
http://www.jp.com.au/TimingChainSets.html

I could have used it but I did not want my daughter driving to some car show 10 years down the road with a good running engine. Then shut the engine off only to find when she got ready to leave the car wouldn’t start because of chain wear and a jumped tooth.

I believe the stock chain will out live her… I will keep the dual roller just in case down the road someone decides the dual is worth the effort…

Part II is my favorite to. It took me 3 weeks and 20 or 30 remakes to get what I ended up with.
I just could not remember all the lines… :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

There are 5 scenes that references 5 other movie scenes. The Godfather is the obvious…
Can ya guess the other 4 movies …..?? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Work In Progress Part IV

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Post #204 by woodbutcher » Thu May 19, 2011 4:31 pm

:beer: Hi Echo1955.Looking good.Probably the best done videos that I have seen on a web site that were not professionally done.
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Post #205 by echo1955 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:51 am

Hey woodbutcher…

Just for funzees… In part II the meet at the beginning has lines from 4 movies.
1: (Also Known As) from Analyze This
2: (Smack Your Momma) from Smoky And The Bandit
3: (Belt Buckle) from My Cousin Vinny
4: (Mr Orange) from Reservoir Dogs
Mr Orange was the undercover cop that spoiled the jewel robbery that got everyone whacked.. :mrgreen:

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Post #206 by echo1955 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:11 am

OK OK back to serious stuff....

I put my head on last Friday and the pushrods that came with the kit was almost to long..
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Using an adjustable pushrod I need them to be 8.07” long. I ordered them from Clay Smith. Should have them sometime this week or next…?
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I had my machine shop make some air breather adapters for me… they are real sharp…
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This is the finished crab set up…
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getteN close now…… :beer:

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Post #207 by JackFish » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:05 am

echo1955 wrote:I could have used it but I did not want my daughter driving to some car show 10 years down the road with a good running engine. Then shut the engine off only to find when she got ready to leave the car wouldn’t start because of chain wear and a jumped tooth.

I believe the stock chain will out live her… I will keep the dual roller just in case down the road someone decides the dual is worth the effort…


I don't understand these two statements.
If you think a stock chain should last ten years without stretching you're delusional.
The advantage of the double roller is the strength of the components over the stock item.
Advancing the cam on the rebuild will help compensate for chain wear.
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Post #208 by 69.5Mav » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:28 am

JackFish wrote:you're delusional


I don't mean to be critical but isn't that a little strongly worded?

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Post #209 by JackFish » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:45 am

69.5Mav wrote:
JackFish wrote:you're delusional


I don't mean to be critical but isn't that a little strongly worded?

:hmmm: maybe :nod:
No offence intended. My apologies are extended to the thin skinned. :lol:
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Post #210 by Frankenstang » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:20 pm

echo1955 wrote:Hey woodbutcher…

Just for funzees… In part II the meet at the beginning has lines from 4 movies.
1: (Also Known As) from Analyze This
2: (Smack Your Momma) from Smoky And The Bandit
3: (Belt Buckle) from My Cousin Vinny
4: (Mr Orange) from Reservoir Dogs
Mr Orange was the undercover cop that spoiled the jewel robbery that got everyone whacked.. :mrgreen:


:lol: :thumbup: Hey echo, thanks for easing the curiousity of those whose memory seems to be less reliable these days :oops: :lol:

1 & 3...whoosh! right over my head...missed 'em completely, and both are good flicks. Wanted to guess #4, but thought that was way too off beat a movie to be right (Mr. Pink & the tip scene is one of my favorites...shrinking violet when he's head to head with Joe :rolflmao: )...and #2 of course classic Jackie Gleason :thumbup:

Approaching maximum smilies...but salivating over your full rollers :mrgreen: Still curious about your double roller set, where did you source that particular one?
Looking good :nod:
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Post #211 by bubba22349 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:54 pm

Nice detail echo1955, that is great looking shop too!
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #212 by echo1955 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:12 pm

JackFish wrote:
echo1955 wrote:I could have used it but I did not want my daughter driving to some car show 10 years down the road with a good running engine. Then shut the engine off only to find when she got ready to leave the car wouldn’t start because of chain wear and a jumped tooth.

I believe the stock chain will out live her… I will keep the dual roller just in case down the road someone decides the dual is worth the effort…


I don't understand these two statements.
If you think a stock chain should last ten years without stretching you're delusional.
The advantage of the double roller is the strength of the components over the stock item.
Advancing the cam on the rebuild will help compensate for chain wear.


JackFish, I understand why this may be a bit confusing..to you.. I also know the stock chain is going to wear. If you will look at the video Work In Progress Part III

You will see and hear there is enough slop in the crank sprocket to cause me concern… every time the engine starts it will have to take up that slop under extreme force. The total chain slop was a good 1/4” play. 3/8” slop is maximum in my book.. With 3/8” slop its time to replace chain..

Back in the 50’s we drag raced stop light to stop light… Ford, Chevy, Olds 88 and Buick Century. Over the years of all the damage we did we never had to replace a timing chain.

Now I’m looking at a DR chain. My first ever.. and this one has a 1/4" chain slop and a loose and noisy crank sprocket. I couldn’t bring myself to use it…. Could it have out lived my daughter…?? Maybe…
I am certain the stock chain will… even with the wear and stretch it will incur..

I kept the DR chain just in case latter down the road someone decides to use it.. If I was a lot younger the DR would be on the engine now.. :beer:

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Re: Rebuild 65 200 I6 Block.

Post #213 by echo1955 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:16 pm

69.5Mav wrote:
JackFish wrote:you're delusional


I don't mean to be critical but isn't that a little strongly worded?


hahahahahah hey 69.5Mav ol’e JacjFish will be pushing up grass long before he can ruffle my skin.. and he already knows that… :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Post #214 by echo1955 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:28 pm

Good to se ya bubba22349 :beer:

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Post #215 by 69.5Mav » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:05 am

echo1955 wrote:hahahahahah hey 69.5Mav ol’e JacjFish will be pushing up grass long before he can ruffle my skin.. and he already knows that…


I didn’t know there was an established repartee between you two, it just sounded too strong to me. Sorry to have interfered.

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Post #216 by echo1955 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:51 pm

Hey 69.5Mav no interference taken here at all…. I appreciate you taking your time to participate… It tant no big deal…. We need your input here, heck I need your input, so stay wid me here… :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Post #217 by echo1955 » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:28 pm

This is my latest video showing where I’m at today > Work In Progress Part V

Not all that interesting. But Part VI and VII should be very interesting. Should finish Part VI in a couple weeks.. Covering valve clearance, push-rod lengths and dual roller rockers..

With all the antics I put in it’s hard to say how many videos it will take for me to get to the engine install and break-in…. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Still have a lot to do but I’m on the down hill side now… :beer:

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Post #218 by bubba22349 » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:52 pm

Your are doing a great job on these video's :nod: :thumbup:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #219 by echo1955 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:32 am

This is what a what’s its gona look like ……….
looks like……….. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post #221 by woodbutcher » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:59 pm

:beer: Looking good.
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Post #222 by echo1955 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:47 pm

Good ta see ya woodbutcher ...
Back at ya........

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Post #223 by Invectivus » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:46 pm

Great videos, especially for someone like me that learns from watching/doing rather than reading a book. Thanks.
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Post #224 by echo1955 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:07 am

That’s my short side as well Invectivus. I can read a book several times and still have to go back over and over again. But let me see you do it and I got it down…

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So I hope ya can handle the big screen notoriety… :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Post #225 by echo1955 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:10 am

Hey Frankenstang I forgot to tell you. :bang:

You know the uninvited reporter Walter Windshield that showed up at the secret undisclosed location, was taken from a famous reporter in the 40’s Walter Winchell..
I was fortunate enough to hear him when my dad would listen.. I never forgot his style..

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Post #226 by bubba22349 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:31 am

Now that is some really great eye candy :beer:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #227 by Frankenstang » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:50 am

echo1955 wrote:You know the uninvited reporter Walter Windshield that showed up at the secret undisclosed location, was taken from a famous reporter in the 40’s Walter Winchell..


Hey Echo, Just got a chance to watch episodes IV & V last night, when I saw episode IV referenced in another thread re: 'degreeing the cam'. I want to thank you especially for episode IV :thumbup: Although I've tinkered on vehicles for 25+ years, degreeing a cam shaft is something that's always been a bit of a "dark art" to me. Your walk through (eg especially with the PIP of the dial indicator when you zero at max lift) really helped me understand this a whole lot better. Heck I might even feel brave enough to go for a mild cam swap when I eventually put my 'mothballed' engine in the car.
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Best I can tell she's a ~15yo, 40over rebuild that was prepped for install but never run...found in all places, in a barn on the outskirts of Houston (small world). I stll intend to do a tear down and re-lube, and now feel emboldened enough to take on a cam swap...likely a mild one. Another great vid, even just the small details like you moving the indicator needle instead of moving the degree wheel for TDC was a bit of a 'ah-ha' moment for me. :thumbup:

As for ol' Walter, the name kinda rang a bell like Edward R Murrow would. I'm sure if I tried I could remember both being parodied in the Looney Tunes of my youth...but still a little bit before my time, I'm probably more from the Paul Harvey era..."that's the rest of the story" :lol:

Anyway, great job again on the vids...although #2 still stands out in the series :rolflmao: ...the intro on IV was pretty darn good, and a fitting one if you ask me...2001 instrumental playing as we see the big black straigh six 'monolith' in the picture (looking less monolithic all the time...btw what did you finish the timing chain cover with? looks good!)...anyway, the theme on IV was appropriate for me...cam degreeing kinda like a Kubrik film...sometimes I get it, sometimes I don't :D Please keep up the great work!
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Post #228 by MPGmustang » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:03 pm

Echo, I have to say your video confirmed I was doing things right, thank you sir!

Good luck on the mustang, very nice build. (we should go racing some day...)
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Post #229 by woodbutcher » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:08 pm

:beer: Sorta remember seeing Winchel.He was good.Also remember Murrow.REALLY remember Cronkrite(spelling?).All outstanding reporters.
Of course,I remember growing up,I could call the local radio ststion and request Big Band records.You know the ones.Glenn Miller,Tommy Dorsey,Duke Ellington.The GOOD stuff.
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Post #230 by Frankenstang » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:07 am

Hey echo, what ever came of your build? Been a while since any update (saw vid VII), so curiousity got the best of me and the cat :wink: Hope all is well!
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Post #231 by bubba22349 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:04 am

X2 Echo1955, I have also been wondering how your doing on your Mustang build :nod:
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #232 by MPGmustang » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:39 pm

x3 show us the fun!! any new video's lately?
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Post #233 by bubba22349 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:35 pm

I think These are all of echo's Video's so far I don't think he had posted all of them on the Ford Six site only up to part V. His last one was posted on youtube on 12/31/2014. On Jul 31, 2011. In his response to one of his you tube videos.

"Roger your last whataburgerchicken… what an interesting handle…

I am almost finished with my rebuild… I need to put the headers back on then finish putting the front end back on..

I have run in to some health issues for the moment that has restricted my time and money.

Stay tuned tho… more will come soon… Take care.."

So looks like he was not feeling well. Best wishes echo 1955 and get well soon! :nod:

Edited and updated on 11/17/2017 You will notice that there is a long time between Part VII and Part VIIII Roy stated he had some health issues that put the Mustang build on hold for a couple of years and was hoping to get back to finishing the final assembly of his 200 engine by end of 2013. He had another Video shot and was ready to do final editing when his external hardline took a dump it covered all the rest of the assembly and up to the new 200 engines break in. So he and had it runing about 4 years ago his last post on his Mustang Fastback restoration and 200 engine build was posted about 2 years ago. :beer: Here's hoping that Roy is now driving around enjoying his 65 Mustang in good health, and Congrats echo1955 for your perseverance on finishing your Mustang Fastback 200 engine build even with your serious Heath issues! :thumbup: :nod:

Rebuild 200 Part I 1/04/2011
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gg_VFXm827wl

Mustang 200 Rebuild Part II 2/20/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn0aDH7t838&feature=plcp

Mustang 200 Rebuild Part III Find TDC 5/09/2011
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=rel ... bUeLAp6XaI

Mustang 200 Rebuild Part IV Degree cam 5/19/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj-GA494SJQ&feature=plcp

Mustang 200 Rebuild Part V 7/09/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZVaqsTrIsI&feature=plcp

Mustang 200 Rebuild Part VI 9/19/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOW2Rb29Zts&feature=plcp

Mustang 200 Rebuild Part VII 7/31/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM0Puddl2as&feature=plcp

Mustang 200 Rebuild Part VIII Roy had this Video almost ready to post it covered much more up to the engine brake in, it's lost for now due to a hard drive failure.

Mustang 200 Rebuild Part VIIII The Tri-Carb Install. 12/26/2014
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=srUZ8s8sAiE
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Post #234 by Frankenstang » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:10 am

bubba22349 wrote:I have run in to some health issues for the moment that has restricted my time and money.

Stay tuned tho… more will come soon… Take care.."

So looks like he is not feeling well. Best wishes echo 1955 and get well soon!


x2 Hope echo1955 is feeling better! I missed those comments when I was re-viewing his vids...thanks for the update bubba :thumbup:
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Re: Rebuild 65 200 I6 Block.

Post #235 by woodbutcher » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:32 pm

:) High Echo1955.Hope you are back on your feet soon.Sending a prayer or two your way.
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