Trying to find a direction

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Trying to find a direction

Post #1 by Georgia200 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:57 am

Last week I bought a nice 67 200/C4 coupe. Interior is a repop in excellent condition, body is good, paint is ok, pans, frame rails, torque boxes very good, no rust that I can see.

The 200 is getting tired, the C4 was installed by the PO and is a rebuilt unit with about 2000 miles on it, I noticed this am it has no kickdown cable. Radial TAs are new 215-60-14. I need a carb before I drive it.

My wife wants me to have it on the road and reliable by spring.

Im undecided on what direction to take:

1. Rebuild the 200, bump the compression, rework the C9M head with bigger exhaust valves, bigger 1V, DSII.

2. I found what I think is a rebuildable 250. I have only seen a pic, it has a low mount starter, owner says it came out of a Maverick. He doesnt know what size it is. I cant see the wp, but based on the low mount starter and Maverick, Im guessing 250. I like the extra cubes because at some point I will add ac, but its heavier than a 200, and a lot more work and expense to bump compression.

3. Pull the 200 and put in an Explorer 5.0 dressed like a 289.

We like the vintage look, Im keeping the 14 wheels and hubcaps, I want disc brakes but dont see an option to keep the 67 a 4 lug with discs. My rear end is a 3.20, I would prefer to keep it until there is a need to swap it.

I like the 200, simple to work on, no need for PS. I dont want to add ps maybe EAPS some day but R&P or factory PS is a PITA I do not want to fool with.

So do I rebuild what I have, investigate the 250 or follow the herd with a 5.0?

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Re: Trying to find a direction

Post #2 by JayBayBay » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:14 pm

I just got finished with installing my rebuilt 200/c4 in my 65 mustang and I'm quite content with it. I would say first whats your budget and how much machine work do you plan on doing to any of the engine choices?
The 200 right now sounds like it would be the cheapest to work with since I'm assuming the other two engines aren't free.
I am running wilwood disc brakes all around with 4 lug. I have aftermarket wheels but I do believe they will still work with factory steel wheels. You can double check on their website which will show what wheel minimum sizes can fit.
You said the c4 in the car now was recently rebuilt; you can potentially use that in any of the engine choices you are torn between and I am not running a kick down cable either. I converted my valve body to a manual set up so if i wanna kick down i do it by hand which i enjoy more because i feel more involved with driving it (like a stick shift).
Having said all that, spring isn't too far off and I would consider that being a time crunch depending on what you end up doing.

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Post #3 by DannyG » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:28 pm

Welcome aboard Georgia 200.
My advice would be to DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE it ! Get what you have running in top shape and use the heck out of it.
Your drum brakes will be fine if properly adjusted . I drove and beat the heck out out of a 68 Coupe/200 back in the eighties, it will get you going and the stock brakes will get you stopped just fine too.
After a year, YOU can decide what you'd like to do next and we'll be happy to follow along with free advice and ideas.
Keep an eye on your local craigslist for a cheap 200 you can work on while you're driving your car. If/when the day comes, you could have that rebuilt/hopped up and swap engines in a day, no down time.
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Re: Trying to find a direction

Post #4 by Georgia200 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:22 pm

Ive owned many Mustangs over the years and have owned several 200s. One of my favorites was a 200/3 spd 71 Maverick Grabber.

I ordered a rebuilt 1101 yesterday, should be here by the weekend.

I think Im going to rebuild what I have. If I can find a better flowing head I will start with that first.

Overall we want a nice reliable driver, I will upgrade the brakes and add ac for comfort, otherwise, a 67 200 low option Mustang is what it is, a sporty economy car.

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Re: Trying to find a direction

Post #5 by B RON CO » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:55 am

Hi, do a compression test and find out the condition of the engine. I have worked on many sluggish engines, and may just needed a good tuneup to restore respectable performance. A good tuneup, setting up the carb, and advancing the timing are important
If the compression test shows a low cylinder, that will alter the plan.
Get the Ford Falcon Performance Handbook and come up with a plan to get the most out of your Ford 6.
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Re: Trying to find a direction

Post #6 by Georgia200 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:57 am

I have had the handbook for many years,

Compression: 135-130-130-120-145-145 Not impressive

I have no idea on the previous history of the engine. C6 block C9 head.

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Re: Trying to find a direction

Post #7 by bubba22349 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:19 pm

Looks like your 200 Six compression is fair so a good valve job would very likely balance the compression of all the cylinders to get some decent performance. You cold also tear down the short block and freshen it up further with rings, bearings, fresh camshaft, and lifters, oil pump etc., if you wanted to. As to your other choices I like the 250 sixes a lot their performance is a close match to a 302 V8 without all extra work of installing the V8. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
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Re: Trying to find a direction

Post #8 by Georgia200 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:17 pm

Come to think of it, the PO mentioned that a pedestal bolt had recently backed out. That may have chewed up a valve seal or two.

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Re: Trying to find a direction

Post #9 by bmbm40 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:12 pm

If the torque of the 250 is appealing and you would also alternatively consider the work involved in a 5.0 swap why not consider a 250 / aod swap if an aod will fit in it. A 250 with a few mods is comparable to a stock 302 but equally as useful the od gear gives a whole new driving experience with relaxed highway cruising.
That 67 Mustang is one of my favorites.
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Re: Trying to find a direction

Post #10 by rocklord » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:49 pm

bmbm40 wrote:If the torque of the 250 is appealing and you would also alternatively consider the work involved in a 5.0 swap why not consider a 250 / aod swap if an aod will fit in it. A 250 with a few mods is comparable to a stock 302 but equally as useful the od gear gives a whole new driving experience with relaxed highway cruising.
That 67 Mustang is one of my favorites.


The AOD transmission will fit on a 250. Here's how it was done by MustangSix:
ci/250old.html
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