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"lifting" a 2WD...?

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"lifting" a 2WD...?

Post #1 by 56mulberry » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:59 am

We have entertained the idea of putting a slight "lift" on our 77 F-100 2WD to give it a little bit of a "Pre-Runner" look. Its a white shortbed, black wheels and AT tires and may be putting a modded FUllsize 2nd Gen Doug Thorley showbar/rollbar for daylighters.....anyways....

My question: Can the front of the truck be "lifted" a couple inches with diff springs w/out screwing up the camber? Or will it end up looking/handling like a old A-frame tractor?

OR--I know they make drop I-beams--but do they maybe make a "raised" I-beam for these by chance?

Any thoughts appreciated...D
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Post #2 by 56mulberry » Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:30 am

Seems like something like this would mess up camber (create too much positive?) but could it be aligned out? Or would it be an issue? We just looking for about 2".....Am I whining? :?

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Post #3 by Lazy JW » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:19 am

56mulberry wrote:..... will it end up looking/handling like a old A-frame tractor?....


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Post #4 by 82F100 » Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:21 pm

Check some of the Pre Runner sites they should have some links to the different manufactueres. Maybe try fabtech?
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Post #5 by 56mulberry » Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:20 pm

Yeah, tried fab-tech--there is no "cheap" way to raise the truck..

I have a 95 Mazda Miata and ran into the same problem trying to lower it--there is really only one right way to do it--and it costs a good bit of $$$.
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Post #6 by greyf100 » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:46 pm

a 1.5deg camber bushing should take care of it....

check out rockauto.com they sell them, most alignment shops should be able get them also.

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Post #7 by Asa » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:15 pm

i've seen 2wd F Series trucks lifted high enough that they are running 44" tires all the way around
the fronts are usually quite a bit skinnier and much less aggressive tread, but they will go like stink

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Post #8 by Billy » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:20 pm

if i remember correctly, the '77 uses king pins not ball joints...on ones with king pins you have to bend the axle for changing caster or camber..
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Post #9 by 56mulberry » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:12 pm

OK--so a couple hours of research 2 nights in a row brings me to this question--according to several websites you CAN buy a camber bushing for 77 F100--but I am thinking I-beam has to be bent so not sure of accuracy of that sales pitch--I am going to ask my Tire/alighnment guy tomorrow--and see if he has any info/wisdom.

I am thinking we could just add a $10 urethane (like Daystar or something similar) 2" coil spring spacer under the front coil which would prollly change CAmber positive by about 2 degree. But putting spacer in old saggy spring might not work so well. SHould maybe get new spring?

So--I am thinking the REALLY easy way to do it is to get the spring rates/dimensions of a new stock F-100 front coil spring and then find a front spring out of another truck (maybe a F-150/250 or a 4wd?) or something that used heavier rate, slightly (like about 2"?) taller spring--and then lean on alignment guy to see if we can correct the front end the amount that a 2" lift affects it.....
BTW--I have not found any "spring shocks" that are made for the front. I imagine again if we had dimensions and rates we could find some rears from another application that would effect the same end result as coil spring spacer or slightly taller springs.....

Anybody?
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Post #10 by Luckyman » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:17 am

56mulberry wrote:......................BTW--I have not found any "spring shocks" that are made for the front. I imagine again if we had dimensions and rates we could find some rears from another application that would effect the same end result as coil spring spacer or slightly taller springs.....

Anybody?


Here is the website for Gabriel shocks they still show to be available, but probably have to be special ordered from a parts outfit that carries Gabriel products. Part # is 34058 for the front spring shock for your truck. http://www.gabriel.com/
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Post #11 by 56mulberry » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:56 pm

Looks like that front spring shock would be the way to go and prolly get 1-2" lift out of it. BUT nobody around here does I-beam alignments anymore. I am just wondering how off it would be with that amount of a boost? 1-2 degrees?

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Post #12 by Luckyman » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:17 pm

56mulberry wrote:Looks like that front spring shock would be the way to go and prolly get 1-2" lift out of it. BUT nobody around here does I-beam alignments anymore. I am just wondering how off it would be with that amount of a boost? 1-2 degrees?

DOUG


I have had them on my 76 F150 (2wd) for years. (On 2nd pair, 1st pair on 15 or so years) helped sagging OEM springs by picking front end up to near new level, front level with rear end which also has the spring shocks. No changes to alignment and no issues with alignment or tire wear. Slighty rougher ride, but not intolerable.

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Post #13 by Thad » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:45 pm

Educate me, '77 I-beam or twin I-beam?

For alignment of an I-beam axle go to a truck alignment shop, most 18 wheeler tractors have I-beam axle.
I-beam axle lift body 2-3", would that really change the alignment?
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Post #14 by Luckyman » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:00 pm

Thad wrote:Educate me, '77 I-beam or twin I-beam?

For alignment of an I-beam axle go to a truck alignment shop, most 18 wheeler tractors have I-beam axle.
I-beam axle lift body 2-3", would that really change the alignment?


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Post #15 by 56mulberry » Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:03 pm

OK--we found aset of Gabriel rear spring shocks on Ebay for $36 and ordered those for rear --was gonna anyways because rear shocks are shot (front and rears original to truck!).

And JCWhitney has best price so far on the #34058 fronts for $70.99 a pair.

We are going with luckyman's F-150 experience that it will slightly lift front @2" w/o messing up alignment intolerably or noticeably.

Wondering if I should put in new OEM springs in front also along withthe spring shocks-- think these are sagging some after 32 years?

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Post #16 by 56mulberry » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:56 pm

JC WHitney Pn for the Gabriel front spring/shocks is: 1JA 851976
Gabriel # is still 34058

WIll let you all know how it goes--will probably take before and after pics as well as have caster/camber measured at alignment shop just for curiosity sake...be 7-10 days before they all get here...DOUG
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Post #17 by tiffany66 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:31 pm

I am in the process of lifting my '66 F-250 crew cab 2wd. A company in California called Auto Fab did the work on my I-beams. It wasn't cheap but, the work was top notch. They first straighten the beams the bend them for the desired lift and reset the caster for use with power steering. An adjustable right tie rod is included in the package. The alignment shops I checked with would only bend the beams 1 degree. A bend of six degrees was required for a three inch lift.

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Post #18 by 56mulberry » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:47 pm

Got the front spring/shocks in mail yesterday from JCWhitney--will try to install this week. Going to measure camber pre and post as well as hub to fender well height pre and post. Let you know as well as post pics...D
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Post #19 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:48 pm

tiffany66 wrote:I The alignment shops I checked with would only bend the beams 1 degree.


I wonder why the alignment shops would not bend an axle six degrees. What do they know?
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Post #20 by 56mulberry » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:38 pm

This afternoon the front spring shocks are successfully installed with zero adverse affect on alignment and producing a 1" lift to the front of truck as measured from hub center to bottom of wheel well on front fender before/after.

Did not realize how bad shocks had gotten!!front rides nice now--back rides like a hammock!!!...waiting on new spring shocks for rear to come in. Overall--a very nice ride--NOT harsh even a little, in fact gives truck a more tight and new feeling up front.. We like so far...thanks for all your help--Doug

PS> To luckyman---good call thanks for advice and Gabriel PN...
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Post #21 by Panama Ron » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:28 am

I wish I had a pic,but theres a guy around Starke FL.with a 69 f-100 lifted to the moon,2wd,he lifted the back with traditional 4wd lift kit parts,in the front,he flipped the front i-beam straight axle,and its up there,as high as a fully lifted 4wd,they say it will pull like a som -----!!!its burgundy,and its a swb,and it looks very cool.He also told me that he "Lincoln Locked" the rear end,Ill try to get a pic next trip back to FL. 8)
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Post #22 by rbrduck71 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:27 pm

i am told and i plan to do this to my 89 2wd f250 you can build a two inch spacer to go

underneath coil spring, on top of beam, now you need two longer bolts and alignment appt.

if you go bigger than two inch the stock adjustments will not geter right , my buddy who told

me owns extreme offroad in clovis ca

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Post #23 by rbrduck71 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:48 pm

i was hoping that i helped!!!

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