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Post #1 by Broncitis » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:52 am

I have done alot of research and I think I'm going to use it.
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Post #3 by Harte3 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:42 pm

Just my experience in a flex-fuel vehicle...you will be sorry. The MPG and power suck big-time.
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Post #4 by tom954x4 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:21 pm

Is E85 good with fuel lines, O-rings, gaskets, etc. for an engine that was not designed for it? I didnt think you could just start using it willy nilly, particularly in an older vehicle, and god forbid a carbed one.
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Post #5 by ludwig » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:17 pm

If you have rubber hoses and connectors in the fuel system, it could melt them. This is a big problem in marine applications where they have plastic fuel tanks and hoses. The ethanol (aka=alcohol solvent) melts the rubber and it gums up the carb and other interior passages.

We have state required E90 in Cali. I have had to have a lawn mower cleaned out and parts replaced for this very reason. Now I pour all the gasoline out of the tank when I am done and run the mower until it quits. I guess this has worked okay. But I changed to an electric mower last summer so it's not a problem.
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Post #6 by Broncitis » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:47 am

Geez guys, how hard do you think it would be to convert an old 79 f150's fuel plumbing to something e85 compatible if needed, and the comment about the carb, how else would you want to do it with the cost of the additional electronics needed to monitor e85 on a race build for efi, and the guy on the flex fuel and I will be sorry, geez, lets get apples to apples here, sure it will take more fuel, about at least 30 to 40% more on a race appication with a cooler fuel charge and the engine will run about 20 degrees cooler and the octane is 105 and I'm not looking for fuel economy. The technology is more than proven for those willing to look it up, my carb will be modified by Justin at racing on E85 once all the #'s are in, geez go out and do something besides posting.
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"...geez go out and do something besides posting." Take your own advice.
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Post #8 by Broncitis » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:43 am

Thanks I will, its basically a waste of time anyways, I got alot of doing stuff to do, instead of talking about it.
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Post #9 by Thad » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:43 am

FWIW, keep it out of weed eaters and chains saws. It ruins the primer bulb, hardens and cracks when used.
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Post #10 by ludwig » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:47 am

They have been using alcohol as race fuel for years. The problems come when you leave gasoline standing in a tank for weeks or months. I believe race applications use all hard pipe fuel delivery. When you use it up and it doesn't stand, you shouldn't have that problem with rubber degradation.

Last year's Consumer Report had an article on ethanol and ethanol blends. Alcohol has about 85% of the energy in standard gasoline so the flex fuel vehicle performance suffers on the ethanol side. Or they have to use more fuel to get the same performance. That is what they are talking about.
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Post #11 by tom954x4 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:30 am

I guess I just don't get it, but heck I have not done the research. Why would Broncitis chose to run E85 in his '79 F-150 and go to the effort to make the engine compatible with the furel when you have E10 or pure premium gas available, no mods required. :bang:
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Post #12 by Harte3 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:47 pm

Well, not much choice on the E10 around here...that's all there is except for one fuel stop that has non-ethanol 87. I use it in my boat and on occasion in my truck...but it is a bit spendy.
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Post #13 by StrangeRanger » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:05 pm

tom954x4 wrote:I guess I just don't get it, but heck I have not done the research. Why would Broncitis chose to run E85 in his '79 F-150 and go to the effort to make the engine compatible with the furel when you have E10 or pure premium gas available, no mods required. :bang:


Because it's a race engine. He doesn't give a rodent's posterior about fuel economy. He needs higher octane to deal with his very high CR and he can make very good use of E85's higher latent heat of evaporation. Have you ever looked down the throat of an alcohol carb or throttle body at full throttle? It looks like a toilet flushing.
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Post #14 by Harte3 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:21 pm

" have done alot of research and I think I'm going to use it." No mention of racing there in the original post. It appears to be just a "besides posting" post.

Lots of cussin and discussin on alcohol fueling on the Speed Talk Forum from time to time.
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Post #15 by jem44357 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:44 am

EPA there is a invisible "O" at the beginning so you would have OEPA it has a dual meaning Oil Executive Protection Agency or "O" = Opec. I just could not stand all of the tension building here so I had to break it up with a jest. :D The "advances" made in the alcohol fuel technologies are nothing to "knock". It is pretty "cool" all of the stuff I get to see where I work. I do not follow it all that close because most of it is (insert bad "P"itical word) BS designed to cost us money while the fat cats get fatter. I would go with propane myself. A bit less BTU's then gasoline & higher octane so I could bump the timing up and stuff it in with a turbo.

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Post #16 by MPGmustang » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:22 pm

StrangeRanger wrote:Have you ever looked down the throat of an alcohol carb or throttle body at full throttle? It looks like a toilet flushing

:rolflmao: that's what my first carb did @ idle! :) just a normal 1941 carb lol! probably why it got 13mpg everywhere...

Honestly, e85 is some potent stuff, sure it takes more to get the same distance, I go for max MPG and it looks like some go the least MPG...

some people have thier own opinions and preferences, please respect them while posting your opinions. thanks guys!

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Post #17 by ludwig » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:18 pm

I didn't see too much attitudinizing so much as a discussion about alcohol and mixed fuels. That and things to watch out for when using alcohol fuels.

You know, if all the engines were tuned to run great on alcohol, they would run poorly on gasoline. Go fast; go far. What's your choice?
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Post #18 by tom954x4 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:57 pm

What is king of puzzling to me is why did E85 ever come about in the first place -- that is, for stock, street driven vehicles from GM, Ford, etc. Thanks to SR, I now have some appreciation for its use in race car engines. Thank you SR. But what your GM or Ford "flex-fuel" car? My guess is that E85 has its origins in some political mandate to convert corn to fuel, the corn lobby, reducing dependency on foreign oil, etc. etc.

As for Broncitis, I too wish him well and hope E85 fits his needs, doesn't cause any problems, and maybe we can all learn something from him. I love it when people tinker, make discoveries, and share them - like on this great Forum.
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Post #19 by ludwig » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:23 pm

It was a combination of EPA cleaner air mandate and an attempt to reduce dependence on foreign oil. And now it is a farm subsidy.
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Post #20 by StrangeRanger » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:56 pm

...unfortunately, given the dependence of corn crops on chemical fertilizers, it takes more petrochemicals to produce ethanol than the ethanol replaces. :roll:

There are good ways to make ethanol but corn is not among them.
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Post #21 by Harte3 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:11 pm

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ethano ... ins-vanish

http://www.ajc.com/business/plant-closu ... 38588.html

All is not lovely for the ethanol fuel industry.

ludwig: "And now it is a farm subsidy." The dirty little secret only maybe alluded too in those articles is the taxpayer funded grants, subsidies, and tax breaks for the ethanol plant operators (a big part of the margins) come to an end...and when they do, the plant shuts down...and the taxpayer's money has just been poofed away.
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Post #22 by woodbutcher » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:46 pm

:bang: To me "Farm subsidy"=Farm welfare.Hope this does`nt offend someone.
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Post #23 by StrangeRanger » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:21 pm

Some subsidies help keep the price of food down. This subsidy increases the price of food by taking acreage away from plant edible corn and other food stocks and by using it to plant ethanol-producing corn which is technically edible but from all reports is not very tasty

Subsidizing a new process that has a potential for solving a problem is one thing; subsidizing a process that creates a whole new problem and is not ever going to be viable is entirely another. As long as the Iowa caucuses are the first Presidential primary event in the nation, we will have an ethanol subsidy because every single candidate from either party will take the "ethanol pledge" even though they all know the process is a loser :bang:
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Post #24 by Broncitis » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:39 pm

There is one thing I can be in great aggrement here, being an ole farm boy, no part of ethanol or e85 make any sense to me for general transportation, I won't go into long detail, but it takes more things in combination to come out in a product that can ever be justified as efficient use of renewables, but since it does exist and I think I may have found a reasonable use for it as opposed to expensive race gas. I hate to say never, but it would be unlikely I would ever use it in a daily driver, I don't even like the 10%, so with that said, I apologize if I caused any confusion about how I was going to use it. It will be race only in a high compression engine. :beer:
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Post #25 by Fordman75 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:37 am

There is a lot of BS out there about E85. Like that it eats/melts plastic. My dad and my brother both have a flex fuel caravan. They both have plastic tanks and they both have well over 200,000 miles on them. :lol: My brother runs E85 from spring thru fall. He runs 87 octane gas in the winter. Just because it starts a little easier in the cold. He puts hundreds of miles on his van weekly. Around here the E85 is cheap enough to more then make up for the mileage difference. If he wasn't saving money by running the E85 he wouldn't run it. :nod:

Since I'm starting from scratch on my 54 I'm setting it up to run E85. It's going to be my daily driver ( even though it will be a little on the wild side ) . If they are still selling E85 when I finish the truck I'll be running it year round. But I'm also going to be building my engine so that if I need to I can run regular 87 octane by just swapping carbs and doing a little tuning. That way if for some reason I can't get E85 or have an issue with it I won't be stuck running race gas in a daily driver. :roll:


Broncitis E85 for a race engine is a no brainer!! And what you save in the difference in price between the E85 and race gas will more then pay for what it will cost you to convert your fuel system. :nod: The only thing I would recommend is if you run it and then are going to park your vehicles for a long period of time, drain the fuel bowls on your carb/s. :thumbup:


I'll save the politics of it for the idiot politicians ( both sides and in the middle!! ) . It may not be perfect but it burns cleaner, cost me less and lets me use less foreign oil. So I'm going to run it and save the oil for my diesel! :mrgreen: :lol:
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Post #26 by ludwig » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:00 am

There is a lot of BS out there about E85. Like that it eats/melts plastic. My dad and my brother both have a flex fuel caravan. They both have plastic tanks and they both have well over 200,000 miles on them.


That would be because they were designed for alcohol fuel. It's not BS. It does happen. You can work around it with the right gear.
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Post #27 by StrangeRanger » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:08 pm

Fordman75 wrote:...It may not be perfect but it burns cleaner, cost me less and lets me use less foreign oil. So I'm going to run it and save the oil for my diesel!...


But if you look at the entire production process it takes more of that foreign oil to produce it than it replaces.
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Post #28 by tom954x4 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:15 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fu ... gy_balance

Whether ethanol is a net gain or net loss proposition is still debated. David Pimental at Cornell (leading critic of ethanol) would agree with SR, but the answer depends on how you define the problem and where you draw the line on energy input into the process, energy credit due to byproducts, and other factors. Wikipedia has a pretty balanced discussion of this very complicated issue.
For me, I have a different objection to ethanol and biofuels- loss of cropland for food crops resulting in higher food prices, which puts the hurt on poor people worldwide. I used to support biodiesel from soy but am rethinking that.
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I'm all for bio-diesel if they are using recycled (i.e. filtered) fryer oil that would otherwise be disposed of.

I could get behind corn power if they were using some sort of silage gasification. Using food for fuel is not a solution. Now if they used food waste, well, that would be a different proposition.
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Post #30 by StrangeRanger » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:55 pm

Making fuel from crop waste can still have a downside if it takes more petrochemical energy to produce than it yields. The whole biomass thing is very much in its infancy; I'm anxious to see if they can make the energy balances work.

At least soy Diesel wins out on the energy balance issues and does not deplete the soil the way that corn does. It still takes cropland out of production and can cause food shortages and higher prices.

The food price thing is critical. US grown corn is the principal grain consumed in much of Mexico and Central America and the ethanol boom here in the US drove supplies down and prices up for the entire region.
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Post #31 by Fordman75 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:56 pm

It's real simple guys. If you don't like it don't run it. :roll: But until someone shows me something better, that will let me run compression or boost that would otherwise require race gas, for $0.70-$1.00 a gallon cheaper then regular 87 octane I'm going to run it. :thumbup:
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Post #32 by MechRick » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:19 am

I'll chime in here, since I've done this with a turbo 2.3 Mustang.
E85 works great in performance vehicles, because it has an effective octane rating of 105 (actual octane number is a few points lower, but ethanol runs cooler than petrol, so the effective rating is a bit higher). You can run substantially more compression than pump gas (12-13:1). It doesn't like aluminum and some types of rubber or plastic, steel is fine. Any vehicle manufactured after 1988 is already compatible (that's when E10 surfaced). To convert an older vehicle, just replace all the rubber fuel line with injection-type that has the plastic liner. Carbs will have to be converted, kits are available.
You will need to feed 30% more fuel at idle and cruise, and a bit more at WOT for max power.
Ethanol is harder to ignite, but once lit burns faster than petrol, so ignition timing is similar. In practice, my car liked a few degrees more than stock.
Letting it set in fuel tanks or carb float bowls is a no-no. Ethanol absorbs moisture and turns corrosive over time. It seems to break down motor oil quicker, so I made sure to change it every 3k (Mobil 1).
I ran it in my Mustang for 1 year as an experiment. I did nothing but swap the injectors for larger ones. At the end of that year I pulled the head to check for piston scuffing and cylinder damage. I had neither and the piston tops were still shiny. I then converted the thing to Megasquirt with msns-e code and dual table mode enabled, so I could flip between pump gas and E85. Worked like a charm...

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Post #33 by ludwig » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:27 am

What you say squares with what I have read: you need more E85 for the same power/performance. So there goes the fuel economy angle.
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Post #34 by Fordman75 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:13 am

ludwig wrote:What you say squares with what I have read: you need more E85 for the same power/performance. So there goes the fuel economy angle.


That would be true if the cost of both E85 and 87 octane gas were the same. And definitely not true when you are comparing it on a performance engine. Even if you only need to run 93 octane gas in your engine. You may use more E85 but it ends up costing you less money then the smaller amount of 93 octane does. :hmmm: And if you get into race gas the cost savings is huge! :mrgreen:
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Post #35 by ludwig » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:20 pm

Straight 87 octane gas at the pump? You have a good memory. Maybe in Minnesota.
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Re: E-85

Post #36 by Fordman75 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:29 pm

ludwig wrote:Straight 87 octane gas at the pump? You have a good memory. Maybe in Minnesota.


Where did I say straight 87 octane gas? E10 is sold as 87 octane here. It's more gas then ethanol so I still call it gas. :P Around here they offer 87, 89, 93 octane.

I'm tired of all the whining and complaining about ethanol. If you don't like it buy a diesel! :rolflmao: Then you can complain about bio! :mrgreen:
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Re: E-85

Post #37 by MechRick » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:21 pm

I hear lots of people bash ethanol as a fuel, but the truth is it's the best alternative to petrol we have. It won't solve all the problems, as the U.S. simply doesn't have the farmland to produce enough of it to power the 250 million + vehicles we have, but at least we don't have to buy as much crude from OPEC.
Our government isn't handling ethanol properly. We have too many flex fuel Suburbans running around. Imagine taking a vehicle that barely manages 14 mpg on petrol and running it on ethanol. :bang:

I think we should convince the auto manufacturers to produce E85 only vehicles with a mandate that they achieve at least 25-30 mpg on E85 (possible because higher compression would make them more efficient). Then flood the Midwest with them. That would take a *huge* chunk out of our oil imports.

I like it as race fuel. Burns clean, cheap, better for the environment. Win-win...
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Re: E-85

Post #38 by chico71 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:50 am

i have to part ways with you on the notion that ethanol is the "best alternative to petrol we have." i think it is a viable FUTURE alternative, when we can figure out economical ways to produce methanol out of woodchips, switchgrass, or algae, but we have a far better alternative today.

cng sells for between seventy five cents to $1.37 per gallon. it is clean, abundant, and produced right here in the good old u.s.a. however, because we have iowa being so prominent in the presidential selection process, we have abandoned the incentives for ford and gm to produce bi-fuel cars and now have the ethanol mandate. while the market is slowly turning to fleet vehicles and the honda cng models (with no subsidy), the thing that holds back establishing a cng fuel delivery system is that people who would like to buy a cng vehicle don't want to be limited in where they can drive. if new bi-fuel cars were readily available today instead of electrics and hybrids that nobody wants to buy, you would be able to buy cng all over the place and the pressure on the price of gasoline would be downward.

flashback: remember when the government bailed out chrysler in 1979? part of the deal was that they had to scrap virtually their entire turbine car research program. uncle sam said they wanted gas efficient cars, not flexible fuel cars. where would chrysler be today if this program had not been destroyed?

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Re: E-85

Post #39 by MechRick » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:52 pm

Your points are all valid. When I use the word 'alternative', I mean an indefinitely sustainable fuel that can still be produced when all of the crude, CNG and coal have *run out*.

Gasoline makes great fuel because it is easy to store, relatively safe and cheap. The closest substitute that will drop in the tanks of the cars we have (with just a calibration change) is ethanol (and methanol).

This is all years in the future, though. Being a realist, I understand that there will be little progress in true alternative fuels until petrol becomes cost prohibitive.

But, I also believe the infrastructure should already be in place by the time that happens, something that is not politically (or economically) popular.
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Re: E-85

Post #40 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:38 pm

I think much of the public is concerned over having 2000 psi tanks of CNG in their cars. I saw a test at Ford where they fired a .44 magnum slug at a vehicle CNG tank at close range and it didn't penetrate it. That soothed my mind over the safety of it.

I have had the chance to drive CNG test cars and they performed well. I think it would be a good fuel for many segments of the market. The biggest drawback I saw with it is that it took about twice as long to fuel up a car with CNG as with gas. Maybe an improved CNG infrastructure could improve on that.

But I'm not holding my breath. Too much political clout to keep the status quo.
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Re: E-85

Post #41 by ludwig » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:46 pm

FTF: I think they have developed fueling stations for home use. Reservoir tank or extractor puller or something with a wall meter so you can see how much CNG you are filing. They have had multi-fuel vehicles in Europe for years. Fiat had a van with 1, 2 or 3 fuel options. The tanks were long cylinders that ran side by side under the frame. I was looking to buy one but if you got the 3 fuel option you had pitiful range for each of the fuels at 1/3 total fuel capacity. It was gasoline, diesel and some CNG or LP.
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Re: E-85

Post #42 by ludwig » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:49 pm

Here is one of many. Only 5 grand. Have a ball.

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Re: E-85

Post #43 by Fordman75 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:09 pm

I looked into cng and propane in the past. My biggest issue is there weren't many fueling stations that were easy to. With E85 you just pull up to the pump and fill it up.

Until they have the complete infrastructure for CNG, Propane, Hydrogen or any of the other fuels out there E85 is still the best alternative fuel option for now.
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Re: E-85

Post #44 by chico71 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:02 pm

i looked at a cng filling station map, and i wouldn't be surprised if oklahoma had more of them than any other state. i agree that fueling is still a little hinky, like sometimes in the summer they just won't fill your tank like they should. part of that is because the stations are mostly unmanned, so problems aren't always readily discovered. however, the thing that is MOST attractive is the bi-fuel option, because you can commute to work or run your rounds on cheap cng, but you still have the flexibility of the gasoline if you run out of fuel. sadly, nobody is making new bi-fueled cars at the moment. if that changes, i think you can bet that cng will "catch fire." :rolflmao:

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