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Question for FTF.

Post #1 by woodbutcher » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:35 am

:? You mentioned in an earlier post that the EFI heads had the extra studs to hold the EFI exhaust manifolds in place.On the head in my truck there is a stud at the very front end of the head,appx
one inch give or take a bit from the heater hose elbow on the thermostat housing.Also,there is a stud at the very rear of the head also.Would it be possible for you to post a pic of the carby head and EFI head so that I can check this out.No big hurry on the pics,just when you have a minute.
Tomorrow,I will try to find some casting numbers on the head.Providing that Mother Nature don`t rain on my parade.
Thanks in advance for your time and effort.
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Re: Question for FTF.

Post #2 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:44 pm

woodbutcher, I do not have any EFI heads to photograph. Maybe somebody else can help or try a google images search? Sorry.

There is usually a locator pin on the front of the manifold assemblies and a bolt through the last mounting tab.
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Re: Question for FTF.

Post #3 by 80broncoman » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:48 pm

Just look at the EFI manifolds on Ebay to see the extra bolt holes.
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Post #4 by woodbutcher » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:29 am

:D Hi guys.Thanks for the replys.The reason that I asked,was that the head on my truck seems to sort of fit the description of an early EFI head.Looks like today,the weather is going to cooperate
and I can look for some casting numbers.
Thanks again.
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Re: Question for FTF.

Post #5 by Fordman75 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:16 pm

If you still need pictures let me know. I can take a picture tomorrow.

I've got a 88 EFI 4.9L sitting on my trailer that I'm scrapping. There's no manifolds on it.


I've also got a 69 240 sitting in my storage unit. I'll be pulling the manifolds off it this weekend.
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Post #6 by woodbutcher » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:50 pm

:beer: Hi Fordman75.Would appreciate that.Thanks.
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Post #7 by Fordman75 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:26 pm

Here's my 240 head.

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I didn't get a picture a picture of the EFI head yet. I'll take one tomorrow. :oops:
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Post #8 by woodbutcher » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:59 pm

:D Hi Ted.Definitely NOT like that head.Thanks.Our application for housing was finally approved last month,and we got moved.Beautiful apts.HOWEVER,we are not allowed to do any work on our vehicle.So I have to wait until a friend of mine is home to go to his house to do anything.Will get over to his place asap to pull the VC to check the casting number for the head to see for sure what I have.
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Post #9 by Fordman75 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:17 pm

The casting # isn't under the valve cover. It's at the lower front edge of the head under the thermostat housing. It's usually easiest to read by using a small mirror.

Here's the 240 head's casting #:

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Re: Question for FTF.

Post #10 by Fordman75 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:36 pm

Here's the EFI head:

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Post #11 by woodbutcher » Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:56 pm

:thumbup: Hi Ted.Thanks for the pics.Will try tomorrow for a look at the casting numbers.It rained all day today.YECKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.Chilly too.Just judging from the pics showing the bolt/stud holes,I might have an early efi head.
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Re: Question for FTF.

Post #12 by Fordman75 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:05 pm

woodbutcher wrote::thumbup: Hi Ted.Thanks for the pics.Will try tomorrow for a look at the casting numbers.It rained all day today.YECKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.Chilly too.Just judging from the pics showing the bolt/stud holes,I might have an early efi head.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
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Could be worse! It was in the 20's and windy and snowing here today! :x :bang:
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Post #13 by 79granada » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:26 pm

woodbutcher i have the stud you are talking about on my 86 carbed truck maybey they used the efi head a year early or something
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Post #14 by woodbutcher » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:33 pm

:D Hi 79Grenada.The engine in my truck is not the original.I had to get a JY replacement when the original croaked at appx 350k miles.The replacement engine has a rebuilders tag on it,so I don`t know for sure what year it is.That is something else that I will have to check out when the weather is a little more friendly to these old bones.Of course,with Fords empty bin policy,ANYTHING is possible.Ted.Sounds like its getting towards electric heated long john weather in your neck of the woods.Watch out for the black ice.
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Post #15 by 79granada » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:27 am

yeah ive had some run ins with the empty bin policy myself on both chevy and fords i had a monte carlo once had to spend an hour digin through belts the pars store cause they didnt show one that fit.

what is a rough winter on the other side of jellico in the 40's? :rolflmao:
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Re: Question for FTF.

Post #16 by 1986F150six » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:54 am

79granada wrote:woodbutcher i have the stud you are talking about on my 86 carbed truck maybey they used the efi head a year early or something



My 1986 4.9L [original Feedback system] had the valve cover designed for EFI [lower in the middle] prior to my swapping to an earlier Power by Ford valvecover, so I, too, think Ford was making a transition during this time frame.

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Re: Question for FTF.

Post #17 by CoupeBoy » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:08 am

79granada wrote:yeah ive had some run ins with the empty bin policy myself on both chevy and fords i had a monte carlo once had to spend an hour digin through belts the pars store cause they didnt show one that fit.
You know there are mulitple solutions for this issue. 1. Use a longer belt and cut it to length, measure it and presto! the correct length. 2. Use a piece of string around the pulleys and measure it, you will get very close. Interesting stuff on the heads..

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Re: Question for FTF.

Post #18 by Fordman75 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:15 pm

All the carbed heads I've had have had the dowl pins.


Woodbutcher if your head has 16 manifold bolt holes it's an EFI head if it has 13 it's a carbed head.
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Post #19 by woodbutcher » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:15 pm

:D Hi Ted.Thanks for that info.Will go and check that in a few minutes.
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Re: Question for FTF.

Post #20 by Baron Von Ottomatic » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:25 pm

My '86 Bronco (Feedback carb edition) has bolt-down rockers and 16 holes in the head. I've never had it off to check the chamber size, so can't say if it's an EFI head or not. I believe '85 models are the same.

The local high volume engine rebuilder sells a 300 head for "carb, 85-86" and "EFI, 87-up". FWIW.

The extra bolt holes are nice when you're hanging EFI exhaust manifolds.

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Re: Question for FTF.

Post #21 by woodbutcher » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:55 pm

:D Hi BVO.My truck is an 84 model.As I said,the engine has been replaced,soooooooooooooo the engine ID is crap shoot for now.There are IIRC 8 bolts/studs across the top row.Could`nt tell about the bottom row.My head don`t swivel 180* :rolflmao: :rolflmao: .
Will try to find my mirror tomorrow to try and see the bottom row,and get a full count of the bolts/studs.Thanks for the reply.By the way.Mine had the feed back carb that was totally wore out,and I did the DS2 swap with out the computer carb.Runs MUCH better.The total cost for the swap was IIRC 17.50 for the carb and 20.00 for the rebuild kit.DS2 setup was a MERRY CHRISTMAS deal.(Freebie)
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