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A 300 turbo package??

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A 300 turbo package??

Post #1 by sdiesel » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:12 am

Earlier i posted a build i was working on and the rig is a ford f350 dually -real heavy about 8500 pounds without all the crap i lug around with me.
Well i got the build done, and it sits in the rig waiting for me to refit the rear axle before i start it and put it to work.

today i happened to meet my turbo builder for my dodges and my equipment.
he told me that he would build a turbo kit for free, just to try it out on a 300 inline. "always wanted to do it" he said. so i will accept his offer but

I want to know from fellas that have done this if a turbo'ed 300 will be a good mix with a heavy work truck.
i am using the 460 oil cooler system now and i have a 460 radiator in the rig, ; cooling is covered. we will use an intercooler air to air. from a mustang or something.

for free i am sure he meant that i buy the parts but he designs the system.

what are the opinions here on this

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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #2 by 1986F150six » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:45 am

Check with The Frenchtown Flyer. He has knowledge of a turbocharged 4.9L/300 Ford was experimenting with. I believe I remember him stating that the HP was greater than the then current 460s.

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Post #3 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:54 am

Yes, Ford did build some turbo 300s and the performance was "comparable to a 460". I wasn't involved in the project and don't know why it was killed - my guess is cost and warranty implications. A friend of mine once uncovered a turboed, crossflow headed 300 R&D engine in a scrap yard his friend owned. It now resides in his (very, very quick) Austin Healy, sans turbo w/ carbs. It had Carillo rods, forged pistons - the whole nine yards. There was an article about the car in the Inliners International newsletter a few years ago.

I would be very interested in your results. I have a IHI turbo that I want to do a project car with - some year. If I ever get caught up on other stuff. I will need to learn about turbos all over again.
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Post #4 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:02 am

The biggest item needed is a good exhaust manifold capable of withstanding the heat. I sure wish somebody made one from a high quality alloy.

On a barely related note I recently replaced one exhaust manifold of my motorhome. These babys are made to take the extreme heat produced under the operating conditions of a 12 ton vehicle and were made from some kind of unobtanium alloy. In spite of that mine broke apart at 48K. Retail cost was only $744!

For one side. Yikes
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Post #5 by 1986F150six » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:39 am

THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER wrote:The biggest item needed is a good exhaust manifold capable of withstanding the heat. I sure wish somebody made one from a high quality alloy.

On a barely related note I recently replaced one exhaust manifold of my motorhome. These babys are made to take the extreme heat produced under the operating conditions of a 12 ton vehicle and were made from some kind of unobtanium alloy. In spite of that mine broke apart at 48K. Retail cost was only $744!For one side. Yikes


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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #6 by J.R. » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:24 pm

The H/D 300 exhaust manifolds would probably last longer for that kind of constant heat, due to the better flow. Two smaller IHI turbochargers was said to work very well on the EFI exhaust manifolds.

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Post #7 by BIG 6 farmer » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:26 pm

THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER wrote:The biggest item needed is a good exhaust manifold capable of withstanding the heat. I sure wish somebody made one from a high quality alloy
Im planning the same type of build for an old school bus, ( dont have bus yet). My plan is to use Fuel inj. Exhaust Manifolds, Y pipe with flex pipe on one side. Go under engine, turn up to flex pipe. Then to turbo, mounted high on drivers side of engine. Offy C intake, wih a TBI Injection, or smaller sized Blower carb. Meth/water spray sys. Isky Turbo cycle camshaft ( Flatlander Racing). Good pistons with Thermo coating. maybe coat chambers & valve faces. Head studs. Not sure which Cyl. head yet ( will start post on that). Turbo?, needs to be smaller. I have one off a 86 T-bird Turbo Coupe ( .63 AR) im gonna try first. Should be right, up to 3500 RPM ? Back to manifolds, i think F.I. manifolds with well placed flex pipes ( for expansion ) would be a good option. Ken
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Post #8 by BIG 6 farmer » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:35 pm

J.R. wrote:The H/D 300 exhaust manifolds would probably last longer for that kind of constant heat, due to the better flow. Two smaller IHI turbochargers was said to work very well on the EFI exhaust manifolds.

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HD exhaust manifold would be strong, but would dump too? close to front cross member. Dual IHI Turbos ( like on 87-88 T-birds). Might put powerband too high for a truck. 2500-5500 RPMs ?
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Post #9 by StrangeRanger » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:31 pm

...depends on the size of the turbo and where the sweet spot on the compressor map is.
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Post #10 by Asa » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:48 pm

BIG 6 farmer wrote:
J.R. wrote:The H/D 300 exhaust manifolds would probably last longer for that kind of constant heat, due to the better flow. Two smaller IHI turbochargers was said to work very well on the EFI exhaust manifolds.

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HD exhaust manifold would be strong, but would dump too? close to front cross member. Dual IHI Turbos ( like on 87-88 T-birds). Might put powerband too high for a truck. 2500-5500 RPMs ?

2500 sounds pretty decent, right above cruising speed so you wouldn't be in boost while on the highway.
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Post #11 by BIG 6 farmer » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:45 pm

J.R.
SoCal[/quote] HD exhaust manifold would be strong, but would dump too? close to front cross member. Dual IHI Turbos ( like on 87-88 T-birds). Might put powerband too high for a truck. 2500-5500 RPMs ?[/quote]
2500 sounds pretty decent, right above cruising speed so you wouldn't be in boost while on the highway.[/quote] That would be fine in a sporty type, light P.U. Truck. But in a heavy working type Truck. You need to be into some boost, way before 2500. Max boost @ 3000? 5-8 lbs. ? to be safe, on high load times. We talking about our famous 300 six, of course.
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Post #12 by sdiesel » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:33 am

thanks for the enthusiastic response.
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i know we will use Garrett turbo. the turbo needs to be as close to the exhaust ports as possible , the distance traveled by the exhaust will cool the gasses and the gas density will change so that the turbines will not spin up as well as the gasses cool.

Kent, the turbo guy has experience only with gassers in terms of modding, and he does mustangs mostly.
the newest thing, he says is to weld a v band clamp directly to the exhaust manifold and turbo housing using stainless rod or wire.
thusly eliminating the mounting flange, gaskets and bolts .
intercool the air, and i am running it through a FISH carb so we are breaking new ground here all the way through. No need to heat the intake manifold anymore, cooling the charge is more important
Nitrous becomes easy

I am encouraged to hear about the power possibilities.i would like to see 15 mpg and lots of torque.

the other thing that just occured to me is that we will eliminate the time lag for fuel/air to reach the outer cylinders. the turbo can maintain full pressure to all ports all of the time.

will this mean that we will have even combustion temps cylinder to cylinder and no fall out of fuel from the intake charge ???

Damn! i could use my fuel injection intake with a the fish on top! equal length runners!


Kent imagines about 13-16 pounds of boost, timing is a big guess.
could i use individual coils for each plug?

Im using MSD right now , that will hopefully prevent spark squelch.

I hope my head bolts are enough to hold pressure.
thanks again fellas!

P.S. does anyone have an industrial exhaust manifold they will sell me or trade me?
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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #13 by BIG 6 farmer » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:53 am

Like your build idea, But some things to consider. I assume you have an 80-96 F350? The HD Manifold is a good one, & can be bought new. But, im sure the exit is too? close to the crossmember on those Trucks. You dont need to mount your turbo close to engine. At least one company sells kits for rear mount turbos. Some VERY fast cars out there with turbos @ rear axle. Heat wrap for pipes & turbine housing, works very well. Head studs, good idea. Meth/water spray, good idea. 13-16 lbs. boost too high for pullin hard. Fine for play time. Oxy. sensor & good controls a must.
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Post #14 by MechRick » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:14 pm

Dual IHI Turbos ( like on 87-88 T-birds). Might put powerband too high for a truck. 2500-5500 RPMs ?

My 2.5L Mustang with one Turbonetics T3 would start building boost at 1600 RPM and was all done (14.7 psi) by 2200. I think two IHI RB52's that build boost even sooner would be perfect for the 300 six.

Don't forget that the reason Ford used the IHI turbo on the Turbocoupe was to minimize turbo lag on a four-cylinder powered 3600 lb car. It worked. Compared to the Merkurs and SVO Mustangs, lag was nonexistent.
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Post #15 by timmytim240 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:25 pm

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Post #16 by BIG 6 farmer » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:40 am

MechRick wrote:Dual IHI Turbos ( like on 87-88 T-birds). Might put powerband too high for a truck. 2500-5500 RPMs ?

My 2.5L Mustang with one Turbonetics T3 would start building boost at 1600 RPM and was all done (14.7 psi) by 2200. I think two IHI RB52's that build boost even sooner would be perfect for the 300 six.

Don't forget that the reason Ford used the IHI turbo on the Turbocoupe was to minimize turbo lag on a four-cylinder powered 3600 lb car. It worked. Compared to the Merkurs and SVO Mustangs, lag was nonexistent.
Yes, that is true. I have 2 Turbo Coupes, ( an 87 & 88) that are mostly stock. I have turbo heat wrap, on the stock IHI turbine housing. And the boost range is about that, if i make it spike to 14.7 by spinning. Otherwise it has to turn a little higher to max out. Not saying 2 IHIs wouldnt work on a 300 six. Be nice to hear from someone that has done this. Collecting info. for my own build.
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Post #17 by BIG 6 farmer » Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:09 pm

The most popular junkyard turbo swap, on a 300 six. seems to be one, IHI off a 6.5 GM Diesel Pick up. All those guys seem to say, they dont have any boost below 2000 rpms? Having seen one in the flesh, doesnt seem much bigger? Than the Garret .63 ar, i got off a 86 Turbo Coupe. Thats why i question using dual IHI turbos off an 87-88 Turbo Coupe, for a low rpm build. No doubt, it is hard to match a turbo to a engine & how it will be used. Thats why it would be GREAT to hear from one that is running, i dont have the answer. Thats why this Forum is so nice.
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Post #18 by sdiesel » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:13 pm

now im getting twisted.
i was in my meditation room ( shower) and i turned my feet around and kicked myself in the butt. i had been down to get propane at 1.89 a gallon. Why not fuel the big ford on propane??!! damn me for not thinking of that earlier!
Forklifts with the 300 six use propane , must be a zillion of those propane units out there.
the rig is a flatbed dually lotsa room for a big tank.


so now im off on a tangent:
Fellas im gonna gamble my new engine on a turbo charged propane only fuel system. I will bet that the combination will either net me huge HP gains on a 300 or i will have a puddle of cast iron

I only live once and lets give it a try!
any clever ideas generously considered!

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Post #19 by CoupeBoy » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:57 pm

Call Chris in Buxton, he has a complete setup off a 429 sitting at his house off his Jeep motor.
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Post #20 by MechRick » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:44 pm

I was thinking about this too, but the current administration isn't friendly to cheap CNG/propane.

Propane is running about $2.99 here in the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Nevada...

By the way, the Garrett T3 used on early Tbirds is significantly larger than the IHI RB52 used on the later 'Birds. Set them side by side, you will see what I mean...

If I pursue a turboed six someday, I would start with a 240. The idea would be to reduce piston ring friction as much as possible for fuel economy, and provide torque/HP with boost a la 6.0 powerstroke...
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Post #21 by sdiesel » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:22 pm

Danny just mentions that to me last night about chris's propane setup. thanks for reminding me.
he should be back from Minnesota by now . i call him.

what about this?:

turn the exhaust manifold upside down, to see if the outlet would clear the clifford intake or clear the F.I. intake. v clamp the turbo directly to that exhaust manifold.
use a cross over pipe, eliminates need for the intercooler; the propane will cool the air charge, and the air will heat the propane.
waste gated @ 9psi. thus no fire ring or studs hopefully.

ignition.
am i off the mark to get a knock sensor, and manually adjustable advance type firing system.? is there an aftermarket ignition system that incorporates knock sensor and automatic timing adjust?

i really dont know too much about this kinda thing.
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Post #22 by CoupeBoy » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:38 pm

sdiesel wrote:Danny just mentions that to me last night about chris's propane setup. thanks for reminding me.
he should be back from Minnesota by now . i call him
I took him to the train station LAST Monday morning (3:30am... eesh) he's been home for almost a week already. He was complaining about the engine performance of the motor that Propane setup came off of now that it is running on gas, and when I asked him to keep an eye open for some 300/4.9 EFI manifolds he mentioned that you might have some.. I also texted him a link to this thread a couple days ago, its a small world..
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Post #23 by sdiesel » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:51 pm

its you ! he moved back , oh i did not make the connection when he said he was driving back.
I wish u had said something before you left as i have a set of efi's under the shed. I also have several sets of headers and an intake ...bunch of stuff
call me and tell me what you need

i will be looking for an industrial exhaust manifold should you happen across one.
if im gonna do this right i think that manifold is the most suitable.
Kent of turbocharger systems is now talking about twins but i want to keep it simple as i can.

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Post #24 by CoupeBoy » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:00 pm

Well, I may know where there is a 300 off of a combine, it should have an 'industrial' exhaust manifold on it. Unfortunately it is 80miles from my house and I don't go visit Dad very often, but I'll check next time I am over there. Did you find a forged crank yet? rns thought he had one for you? otherwise that 300 out of the combine if it is an industrial motor will probably have one.

As I told Chris, I am in no rush, I figured he would know somebody that was getting rid of one. For my next project it is going to be a straight forward 240/Clifford intake and header backed with a ZF5spd in a 2wd short bed pickup. I would like to find one of those old crew cabs like he has sitting in his yard, its a '78 Ford Crew cab short bed. Once I find one of those then I will be doing a turbo/manual 300 combo. Until then, I will just keep on reading about them on here from y'all.

Just to be clear, I moved from Buxton in '87 and will probably never move back. Chris drove a U-haul out here for Jonny and then I picked him up in Park Rapids MN on Saturday and dropped him at the train station on Monday.
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Post #25 by sdiesel » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm

CoupeBoy wrote:Well, I may know where there is a 300 off of a combine, it should have an 'industrial' exhaust manifold on it. Unfortunately it is 80miles from my house and I don't go visit Dad very often, but I'll check next time I am over there. Did you find a forged crank yet? rns thought he had one for you? otherwise that 300 out of the combine if it is an industrial motor will probably have one.

As I told Chris, I am in no rush, I figured he would know somebody that was getting rid of one. For my next project it is going to be a straight forward 240/Clifford intake and header backed with a ZF5spd in a 2wd short bed pickup. I would like to find one of those old crew cabs like he has sitting in his yard, its a '78 Ford Crew cab short bed. Once I find one of those then I will be doing a turbo/manual 300 combo. Until then, I will just keep on reading about them on here from y'all.

Just to be clear, I moved from Buxton in '87 and will probably never move back. Chris drove a U-haul out here for Jonny and then I picked him up in Park Rapids MN on Saturday and dropped him at the train station on Monday.




jobber supply in portland had 3 finished forged cranks on the shelf. i got one .20 under.

engine is rebuilt and in the rig waiting on a new rear axle rebuild cause some dough ball forgot to change the diff fluids after the flood of 07. i swear i remember doing that....

ended upp with a .60 overbore , hyperutectic pistons , a line bore, forged crank, and new head, new cam etc.when i only wanted to do rods, mains, gaskets and seals.

i think i have a ZF out at joe's place in Birkenfeld but it got wet, i drained it but that was all, probably no good.

if you get onto that project , i have all those parts under the garage.
i ain't plannin on selling them so they will probably be there when you get going on it.
cours i aint palnnin on goin through Fargo anytime soon. even though my people are from there . I'm a Lund , on one side.
i forgot about that crew cab, it aint gonna be worth spit if chris don't get it covered, its the drip rails that go first...

i enjoy chatting but the others are probably bored, sorry fellas.
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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #26 by CoupeBoy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:50 am

OK, hijacking is over.

Would you mind sharing the Jobber in Portland's name and contact information? There were a couple guys on here looking for the forged crankshafts..

Do you think your turbo guy would be willing to do a couple turbo setups? One with a stock manifold and one with a heavy duty one? I ask because there are going to be several on this forum that would buy a downpipe and mounting bracket for a stock manifold that would not have the heavy duty setup.

From one of the other threads (need help with 1976 industrial 300), I think this is the industrial manifold that you are looking for.
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This thread also has quite a few pictures of the Industrial exhaust manifold
300 HD heavy duty exhaust manifold
From that thread, this is a nice peice of math for those that are interested..
AbandonedBronco wrote:The stock log exhaust is a single 2" outlet.
That's 3.14 square inches of exit room.

The EFI manifolds are dual 1.75" outlets.
That's 4.81 square inches.

The HD manifold is a single 2.5" outlet.
That's 4.90 square inches.
And if you scroll through it long enough, you eventually find a URL to a vender that claims to sell them.
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Where he has the nicely listed showing various exhaust manifolds..
1965-83 Truck
With heat riser, with female flange
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Also I don't know of you have seen this thread, but it may be useful for CNG conversion
dedicated cng 300 build
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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #27 by BIG 6 farmer » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:48 pm

MechRick wrote:I was thinking about this too, but the current administration isn't friendly to cheap CNG/propane.

Propane is running about $2.99 here in the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Nevada...

By the way, the Garrett T3 used on early Tbirds is significantly larger than the IHI RB52 used on the later 'Birds. Set them side by side, you will see what I mean...

If I pursue a turboed six someday, I would start with a 240. The idea would be to reduce piston ring friction as much as possible for fuel economy, and provide torque/HP with boost a la 6.0 powerstroke...
The turbo on propane is doable, and its 114? octane. Yes, the T3 is bigger than the IHI on Turbo Coupes. 10-15 percent bigger? IHI seems to gaurd their specs. But found some info. that backs up my ? of dual IHIs on a 300 six, might be too much for a low rpm engine ? I will start a post in Turbo section. Maybe someone there has seen it done, and knows? Your idea of a Turbo 240, is interesting.
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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #28 by sdiesel » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:50 am

this is really helpful. the regular manifold will work the best. it kicks the turbo away from the motor mount. i got a mountain of 300 six parts and do you think i could find one darned manifold?
of course not. i am hot to get this done. nor more fluffing off, that crummy has sat for too long. 7 years.

Kent says we can get 50 HP per hole reliably. that puts us in cummins territory without the costs or the weight.

Kent is a find. he owns turbocharger systems in scappoose oregon. he is an electrician by trade, but has taught himself the art of turbo rebuild. he does a lot of high speed ford mustangs. he has the damndest mustang you have ever seen. he does my dodge turbos. and equipment for loggers etc. he is real careful and particular. fastidious.

he is not expensive. he has a website. what sold me was he balances to 100,000 rpm. and his shop is beyond immaculate.

more later

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a long love affair with the 300 six.
my lastest and final fling is a fresh 300 in an 88 ford f350 dually 4X flatbed

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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #29 by BIG 6 farmer » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:15 am

sdiesel wrote:this is really helpful. the regular manifold will work the best. it kicks the turbo away from the motor mount. i got a mountain of 300 six parts and do you think i could find one darned manifold?
of course not. i am hot to get this done. nor more fluffing off, that crummy has sat for too long. 7 years.

Kent says we can get 50 HP per hole reliably. that puts us in cummins territory without the costs or the weight.

Kent is a find. he owns turbocharger systems in scappoose oregon. he is an electrician by trade, but has taught himself the art of turbo rebuild. he does a lot of high speed ford mustangs. he has the damndest mustang you have ever seen. he does my dodge turbos. and equipment for loggers etc. he is real careful and particular. fastidious.

he is not expensive. he has a website. what sold me was he balances to 100,000 rpm. and his shop is beyond immaculate.

Sounds like your in good hands. Put his web site up ? 300 H.P. should live long & strong. Thinking more about Ex. Manifolds. I like to root aroud in the U-pull-it junk yards. Last year, saw a 67?- 70 sometin, F 600? Was lookin @ it hard. Pulled the pan, lookin for a steel crank. Not there, had block swapped out. Exhaust Man. was a HD style. center 3 in. hole, didnt come down as far. But it was busted. I know one like that would work for ya. Maybe you can find a used one ? Dont know if they make new ones, this style. You will know one when ya see it. PU Truck type might be too restrictive for your build ? Most guys mill down the Heat riser & weld a plate on. Because they tend to leak, and it isolates heat form intake. Look hard @ using Fuel Inj. Manifolds into a Y-pipe. Go to Turbo section here. Guys have pictures of their Turbo 300s. Most are using them, and happy.

David
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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #30 by StrangeRanger » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:20 am

I haven't looked at the fitup but it seems that a J-pipe fitted to the HD manifold would allow you to avoid the frame interference and move the turbo up and forwards to get it away away from road spray and give it a shorter run from compressor to intercooler to T/B. You'd have to relocate the battery but an Optima in a battery box behind the passenger seat would solve that and take some weight off the front end. If you're worried about that much heat that close to the hood, some of the race car parts shops sell louvered panels that could be bondoed into the hood to let the heat out.
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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #31 by sdiesel » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:49 am

Steel Cranks: Jobbers service in Portland oregon 503 227 6605. machine shop and wholesale supplier to machinist in the area.

Had 3 on the shelf last year.
they had a contract with the evergreen avaition to rebuild the tractors
hence the supply of forged cranks.
i have no idea if they still have one. I paid 110.00 and my core. best prices on hard parts too.
a long love affair with the 300 six.
my lastest and final fling is a fresh 300 in an 88 ford f350 dually 4X flatbed

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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #32 by shawnkat » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:03 am

Hey I'm new to this so please bare with me. I'm researching and 300 6 turbo set up . Was wondering what size carb is the best if I'm running 10lbs of boost . Have a turbo from a 3.9 Cummins kinda going with this as it was a freebe. I know some mods have to be done with carb . Any kind of info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks .

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Re: A 300 turbo package??

Post #33 by Harte3 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:54 pm

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Try your turbo question on that Forum.
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