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Re: free 300 what to do?

Post #51 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:24 pm

Funny thing you should mention the 4.9 history. I have lost touch with the prime engine performance development engineer on the 4.9. (I was the guy on the 5.0 GT and the 4.6 Modular Truck engine, not the 4.9 as has been stated on some forums.) I tried to locate him a few years back with the intention of capturing all of the salient details of the crossflow 4.9 program, essentially the last serious effort to upgrade the 4.9. I was invited to a few of their brainstorming meetings on the strength of my reputation within the company as one who loved and raced those engines. [It did help me to have friends within that organization whenever I needed info on some details of the 4.9.]

At any rate I have been unable to locate him since he retired. I hesitate to make his name public here as he may not want personal info divulged. Let me say here "Mr Smith 44" if you are out there reading this please contact me.

And "HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR SMITH!!"

Anyhoo, here is a short list of performance enhancements I think could have saved the engine:
- An aluminum crossflow 3-valve pushrod head to save weight with better combustion chamber design for emissions and fuel economy (might have to conceed a smaller bore size to reduce hydrocarbon emissions)
- deepen the block and cross bolt the mains like a Modular V8 for a better knock signature
- 5- or 6-bolts per cylinder for head attachment
- MLS Cometic head gasket
- lay the engine over about 25 degrees
- partial siamesing of the block with thicker cylinder walls - OK, ok, that is a wish for race prepping the engine

Pretty much make a six to compete with some of the BMW inline greats or even - dare I say it - the GMC 4.2L.

If I ever have this conversation with "MR. SMITH" I will write my "History of the 240/300 Engine".


By the way, speaking of past friends / retired Ford engineering wizards, congratulations to Steve Ambrose and Bob Huettman. Yesterday they were in the Finals of Competition Eliminator at the NHRA Gatornationals in Gainesville Florida with their 300 six powered altered roadster.
Steve ran a best of 7.70 in eliminations before fouling in the final. Way to go guys!

Well, I apologise for hijacking another thread and rambling on like a doddering old fool.
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Re: free 300 what to do?

Post #52 by bubba22349 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:45 pm

lay the engine over about 25 degrees


FTF been wondering about this too laying a 300 engine over some and or angle milling a head to tilt the intake ports up a little.
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Post #53 by BIG 6 farmer » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:39 pm

Ya, i wasnt happy when they canned the 300 six. Too bad they couldnt develop the inline, & give us Engines like the Aussies get. Im sure a big part of the switch to the V6, was for the hood line of that ugly late 90s truck. Then the style changed back to a larger body, Plenty of room for an inline six. They could learn alot from BMW, make the body fit the Engine.
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Re: free 300 what to do?

Post #54 by crash-harris » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:08 pm

BIG 6 farmer wrote:Ya, i wasnt happy when they canned the 300 six. Too bad they couldnt develop the inline, & give us Engines like the Aussies get. Im sure a big part of the switch to the V6, was for the hood line of that ugly late 90s truck. Then the style changed back to a larger body, Plenty of room for an inline six. They could learn alot from BMW, make the body fit the Engine.



That and the widespread words of it not being up to emission standards. I would have liked to see Ford develop a mid sized 6-cylinder inline diesel for the F-Series, but they lost me when they started building everything the way that GM had been doing. I dislike the strut suspensions with skinny CV shafts for an IFS. And I like my ground actuated starter. My battery doesn't run down nearly has fast as a GM or Dodge when/if any starting issues occur :mrgreen:
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Post #55 by BIG 6 farmer » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:49 pm

True that, Ford really had it goin on from about 85-94,95. Then they got stupid, dont know why. Of course that is my opinion, that i share with many others :nod:
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Post #56 by crash-harris » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:52 pm

BIG 6 farmer wrote:True that, Ford really had it goin on from about 85-94,95. Then they got stupid, dont know why. Of course that is my opinion, that i share with many others :nod:


:nod:

I spout off on occasion about not wanting to have to work on any late '97 or newer trucks/vans...
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Post #57 by BIG 6 farmer » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:35 pm

Maybe im just an old Knuckle draggin Hillbilly. OR i have owned & worked on enuff stuff to see the difference ? I have absolutly no interest in a newer car or Truck. OR am i lucky that i can put together things to drive ? At the same time, like what i drive and save money doin it. :hmmm:
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Post #58 by 1986F150six » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:31 am

To: The Frenchtown Flyer

Thank you, sir, for your response! I hope you locate the missing "Mr. Smith" and when you do, please include information regarding the prototype 2 barrel intake manifolds as well as information about the variable displacement attempt.

Good day!

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Post #59 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:13 am

1986F150six wrote:To: The Frenchtown Flyer

Thank you, sir, for your response! I hope you locate the missing "Mr. Smith" and when you do, please include information regarding the prototype 2 barrel intake manifolds as well as information about the variable displacement attempt.

Good day!


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Re: free 300 what to do?

Post #60 by country fried 6 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:13 pm

BIG 6 farmer wrote:True that, Ford really had it goin on from about 85-94,95. Then they got stupid, dont know why. Of course that is my opinion, that i share with many others :nod:


that time period was characterized by a rapid shift in the consumer base of the light truck market. soccer moms were trading in thier mini-vans and station wagons for full-sized SUV's and pickups. hard working engines like the 300 were of little value to someone who never hauled more than a few bags of groceries, cleaner, quieter, engines with better mpg (?) prevailed. sure the 300 would would still have made a great mid-range type engine, sales of that option would have been pretty low i think though. V8 is still the buzz word. i'm a mechanic in a GM dealer and a few years back the rumor was that the 4.2l inline would be replacing the 4.3l v6 as the base engine, but it never happened. would have been great, if they improved the valve seats, that was a problem area on the 4.2l. 4.2 is out of production now, and the miserable little 4.3 soldiers on for just one more year, i'm just happy no one is actualy buying that engine. saddly, i just think there is no future for an in-line 6 in this country.

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Post #61 by BIG 6 farmer » Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:57 pm

Totally agree with all that. I have extra thoughts on this. Many would agree that They design Cars/ Trucks to have a limited lifespan. Thinner body panels that have built in flaws to ensure rust out. Engines & Drive train parts that dont hold up as well as they should. Its all about keeping the People buying new things. Our Currency system is debt based (most in the world are). We are born into debt, & when you sign on a loan that creates more money/currency. A new Car/Truck is a tool of this system. So our 300 sixes tended to last too long. Replacing it with something that is less? trouble free would ensure the unit is off the road sooner. Thats what the Cash For Clunkers was for. (they did in Europe too) So, " What to do with a free 300 six? " I say, dont throw it away. I plan to horde them up, to power things i drive till i die. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Ok, i will get down off my Soap box now :)
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Post #62 by Luckyman » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:40 pm

BIG 6 farmer wrote:.................. " What to do with a free 300 six? " I say, dont throw it away. I plan to horde them up, to power things i drive till i die. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Ok, i will get down off my Soap box now :)


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I have two good ones (300's) in mid 70's trucks and a spare 300 oiled/fogged/stashed in the garage for when either one of the other ones dies. I'm good for as long as we can buy gas/oil/other parts or until I die whichever comes first. No one is currently building anything I would want to buy even if I could afford a "new" one.
1 "76" F150 RC, LB, 2WD, 300, NP435, 9" open 3.00, special order 2-76/Delivered 4-76. Still "new".

1 "73-79" F150 RC/SS/SB/4WD, "84"-300, T18, NP205, 9" open 3.50, Dana 44 3.50 open, Offy DP, Holley 470, EFI + single 2.5" exhaust. Gathered from 15+ donor/parts trucks. "Fubar". Runs good, safe, still needs details/project continues.

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Re: free 300 what to do?

Post #63 by BIG 6 farmer » Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:10 pm

Ya, i like to think alot of them wont get melted down into sewer pipe. Good to see there are like minded Guys in this Country :D
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Post #64 by 78merKri6 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:36 am

Farmer and Luckyman,

I like your last two posts!

Gary
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