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Transmission swap

Post #1 by Josh Jones » Sat May 10, 2014 1:43 pm

I was in an accident about 4 weeks ago and it damaged my back. I am waiting for surgery so I don't know if I will be able to shift my truck any more. With all that said what would be a good automatic transmission to swap into the truck? (It's an 84, F150, np435, 4x4) They already told me they totaled the truck so it's my choice if I want to keep the truck and repair it myself or let them take the truck and try to find another.

Would it be worth the trouble to rebuild the engine and swap transmission? (I also want to do a SAS) I want to find a 1994 F350, regular cab, 4x4, automatic, with a 460 or Powerstroke.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #2 by bubba22349 » Sat May 10, 2014 3:22 pm

Should be fairly easy to swap a C6 in it. :thumbup:
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #3 by Josh Jones » Sat May 10, 2014 7:28 pm

Really? Does the 300 share bell housing bolt pattern's with any other engine?
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #4 by woodbutcher » Sat May 10, 2014 9:08 pm

:D If the tranny will bolt to a small block Ford,it will bolt to your 300.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #5 by StrangeRanger » Mon May 12, 2014 7:15 pm

But you cannot use the SBF flexplate with a 300. The 300 requires one with a zero imbalance
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #6 by Josh Jones » Mon May 12, 2014 7:59 pm

I was going to check that out if the 300 was internal or external balance. Does the 300 use the same flex plate as a 302 (bolt pattern, tooth count etc) This would be great if so? (I use to race a fully rollerized,manual valve body C6 behind a 573 BBF.) I know exactly what I would do with a c6 behind this 300.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #7 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Mon May 12, 2014 8:42 pm

Josh Jones wrote:I was going to check that out if the 300 was internal or external balance. Does the 300 use the same flex plate as a 302 (bolt pattern, tooth count etc) .


Yes, a 302 truck w/ a 164 tooth F/W, not the 157 pass. car.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #8 by arse_sidewards » Mon May 12, 2014 11:19 pm

Not to be a dick but....

Any SBF trans will bolt up, IMO you'll regret it to the tune of 4mpg and you'll need to change drive shafts and crossmembers.

If you're too broken to operate a clutch then how exactly is the transmission swapping and SASing going to take place?


What kind of crash was the truck in that it needs an engine rebuild or is it just typical project scope creep?

Additionally, it'd be helpful if you could tell us if this is the kind of truck that you only drive on the weekends and sees more turtle wax than dirt or the kind that isn't fully loaded unless the hitch is dragging on asphalt at 45 in low range? Obviously the advice you'll receive varies greatly depending on how you use the truck.

Good luck in surgery.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #9 by Nashtooth » Tue May 13, 2014 12:13 am

"Not to be a dick"
Followed by dickishness. Someone facing back surgery does not need a reference to turtle wax. He needs to know there are people out here who are ready willing and able to offer support, which is the true nature of this forum.

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Re: Transmission swap

Post #10 by Harte3 » Tue May 13, 2014 10:24 am

I considered swapping a C6 into my truck when I developed some hip problems about two years ago. But I lucked out...between my MD and a PT things improved/recovered to an acceptable level and I haven't had to go the A/T route...yet.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #11 by MechRick » Tue May 13, 2014 11:28 am

Josh Jones wrote:They already told me they totaled the truck so it's my choice if I want to keep the truck and repair it myself or let them take the truck and try to find another.


I would keep the truck and part it out and buy a straight one to fix. '80-'94 F-series trucks are a dime a dozen.

12 mpg is the average for non-overdrive autos in F150's. The minimum transmission I would use would be an AOD, but did they come in 4x4 applications? Can't remember.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #12 by motzingg » Tue May 13, 2014 11:54 am

yeah, better to take the insurance company check and go find yourself the truck you want.

SWAG numbers: you might be holding a $3000 check in your hand for the truck, max (hopefully you are getting paid for the bodily injury) depending on how much of that would have to be used to buy-back the totalled truck, plus the cost of reparing the truck, plus the cost of a good used or rebuilt tranny, plus the cost of the swap...

even if you could buy back the truck and put it right for $1k, you're going to be hard pressed to find anyone to swap in a C6 or AOD for less than $2k ... since we assume you're not doing the work yourself...

better off taking the check and finding the truck you actually want, early 90's powerstrokes can be had fairly cheap these days because the power and fuel mileage makes them almost impractical for anyone using them for work, compared to a 'modern' diesel. (boy am i gonna get flak for saying that :roll: )

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Re: Transmission swap

Post #13 by Josh Jones » Wed May 14, 2014 6:46 pm

Nashtooth wrote:"Not to be a dick"
Followed by dickishness. Someone facing back surgery does not need a reference to turtle wax. He needs to know there are people out here who are ready willing and able to offer support, which is the true nature of this forum.



I appreciate that. I did go through surgery yesterday and they where able to pull the ruptured disc out. So all Thanks be to God I can walk like a normal person again. Still looking at 6 weeks of recovery.

I don't know what the insurance company is going to offer me. I was looking at it like I'm stuck with it and was going to pull the bed and throw a flat bed on. But the more I think about it I'll probably take the cash and look for a 95-97 F350, regular cab, auto, 4x4. with either the 460 or 7.3. I'm familiar with both engines, more so the 385 series. I just really hate to get rid of the 84 after completely redoing the interior and all the extra parts I have for it.

BUT, if I have more money in parts than they offer to total out the truck, I'll take the lower amount and keep the truck. I bought the truck because it was a inline-6, manual transmission and 4x4. I have had 460's and 7.3's I wanted to play with the 300 which ties into the "extra parts" custom turbocharger and etc.

I actually have a couple of 460's and the correct parts to do a engine swap down to the headers, I just like the 300 right now. Everything is easier to get to and it's a 300cu inline 6 that you can't kill if you tried!
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #14 by Josh Jones » Wed May 14, 2014 6:53 pm

arse_sidewards wrote:Not to be a dick but....

Any SBF trans will bolt up, IMO you'll regret it to the tune of 4mpg and you'll need to change drive shafts and crossmembers.

If you're too broken to operate a clutch then how exactly is the transmission swapping and SASing going to take place?


What kind of crash was the truck in that it needs an engine rebuild or is it just typical project scope creep?

Additionally, it'd be helpful if you could tell us if this is the kind of truck that you only drive on the weekends and sees more turtle wax than dirt or the kind that isn't fully loaded unless the hitch is dragging on asphalt at 45 in low range? Obviously the advice you'll receive varies greatly depending on how you use the truck.

Good luck in surgery.


Thanks surgery went very well. They pulled the ruptured part out and now I can shift again. So sadly all of these thoughts about my questions where unfounded. Sorry, I bothered you by asking a question that seemed out of your realm of common sense.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #15 by Josh Jones » Wed May 14, 2014 7:15 pm

I use this truck to tow my 1,300lb Polaris Ranger on my Featherlite aluminum trailer. I also like to night and day hunt out of the truck, take the kids fishing, load fire wood in it and take to neighbors or just cruise around town on the weekends and listen to the tires roar. Here lately it's been pulling people out of places they shouldn't have been. AKA, a "weekend truck"

PS: the truck will only go 100 miles on one tank! Fuel gauge is broke so I really don't know, I just fill up every 100 miles. I haven't really worried about it. (I do know the first mod I'm doing is a winch on the front or back if I decide to keep it.) Probably in the back, since it will have a flat bed on it.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #16 by Josh Jones » Wed May 14, 2014 7:30 pm

Here is a picture of my baby! Except now the entire passenger side of the bed is crushed in from the rear, just missed the frame rail. The bed floor is bowed upwards and off the frame rail a good 2".

I have completely restored the interior and replaced every wheel bearing, every brake part from the booster to the squeal, all the bushings, (yes, all the radius arm bushings) new Warn locks, every fluid, converted to Dura spark dizzy, MSD ignition box, MSD street blaster coil, carb from an older non TFI unit, plug wires, front and rear lights. (I just can't figure out why the dome light doesn't work?) New front windshield, all new rubber trim even new vent's from another truck and a complete exhaust system using a 2010 F150 exhaust. (Fit like it was made for the truck, just made a piece going from the manifold to the where the new exhaust stopped.)


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Re: Transmission swap

Post #17 by arse_sidewards » Wed May 14, 2014 7:52 pm

Josh Jones wrote:Here is a picture of my baby! Except the entire passenger side of the bed is crushed in from the rear, just missed the frame rail. The bed floor is bowed upwards and off the frame rail a good 2".

I have completely restored the interior and replaced every wheel bearing, every brake part from the booster to the squeal, all the bushings, new Warn locks, every fluid, converted to Dura spark dizzy, MSD ignition box, MSD street blaster coil, carb from an older non TFI unit, plug wires, front and rear lights. (I just can't figure out why the dome light doesn't work?) New front windshield, all new rubber trim even new vent's from another truck.
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IF IT'S ONLY THE BED THAT'S DAMAGED THEN BUY YOUR TRUCK BACK (and find a clean bed 80-96 bed to swap on).

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Followed by dickishness. Someone facing back surgery does not need a reference to turtle wax. He needs to know there are people out here who are ready willing and able to offer support, which is the true nature of this forum.

Is there some connection between turtle wax and back problems I'm unaware of?
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #18 by Josh Jones » Wed May 14, 2014 8:02 pm

Thinking about going to a flat bed, swapping axle to a dually axle, changing the front gears to match with a locker or do leaf springs on the front and use the front axle out of what ever I pulled the rear axle out of. That way I can load the Ranger on it instead of trailering it.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #19 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Thu May 15, 2014 8:32 am

Josh Jones wrote:

I actually have a couple of 460's and the correct parts to do a engine swap down to the headers, I just like the 300 right now. Everything is easier to get to and it's a 300cu inline 6 that you can't kill if you tried!

I have a built 460 in a '46 pickup. The PO put it in. I wish I had changed to a 300-6 when I did a frame-off. Its heavy , cramped, harder to stop, sucks gas and probably no better for towing than a properly built six could be. But it does get oohs and aahs.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #20 by Nashtooth » Thu May 15, 2014 11:03 pm

Prolly smokes tires when you forget you're not at the dragstrip. In truth my 300 fantasy is quite ordinary: it would make 460 torque and wear tires quickly while shaming c****s but wait I'm too old for that kind of ideation right?

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Re: Transmission swap

Post #21 by 1986F150six » Fri May 16, 2014 8:13 am

[quote="Nashtooth"]Prolly smokes tires when you forget you're not at the dragstrip. In truth my 300 fantasy is quite ordinary: it would make 460 torque and wear tires quickly while shaming c****s but wait I'm too old for that kind of ideation right?[/quote]

Never! What is "too old"? :D

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Re: Transmission swap

Post #22 by woodbutcher » Fri May 16, 2014 8:30 am

:twisted:"Too old"is when you have a marble marker for an address.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #23 by Josh Jones » Fri May 16, 2014 2:18 pm

I actually use to build 460's, I sold a mud bogger my last 572cu and he put it into the same year truck as mine. Problem with the 460's in the 570-600cu" ranges are they like to break a lot of drivetrain parts! I had a built c6, fully rollerized, reverse manual valve body that should have held 900hp with ease.

Like I said earlier, I have some stock 460's laying around but I'm tired of them. It' looks like I'm going to recover the use of my left leg so I won't need to swap transmissions. Just have to see how much the insurance company is going to offer me for the truck.
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Re: Transmission swap

Post #24 by Dr Jay » Mon May 19, 2014 12:15 am

is it just typical project scope creep?

I'm just glad to hear that scope creep can be typical.
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