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Best factory mechanical fuel pump

Post #1 by 67chrrybucket » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:58 pm

As the 300 was used in many applications is there any of the mechanical fuel pumps from certain years application's that offer any more performance or reliability or are they all pretty much the same?
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Post #2 by rws68f-100 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:58 pm

all pretty much the same from what I've experienced working on the old trucks and commercial equipment over the years .

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Post #3 by bubba22349 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:08 pm

But you can build a Hi Performance fuel pump by combining a Chxxxy Carter performance pump with your Ford parts. Good luck :nod:
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Post #4 by 67chrrybucket » Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:07 pm

If building a n/a street engine will i need to combine the unholy fuel pump with mine my goal is and its lofty is 300-325hp and 350-400tq. And hopefully running a 2x2 carb setup. And if so how hard is that to do?
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Post #5 by bubba22349 » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:01 am

Yes I think you would need the bigger fuel pump for that level of power. No worry nobody is ever going to know that part of it was originally built for a Chxxxy unless you tell them. It's pretty easy to do, see the link below for the directions and pictures to build one for a small Ford six (200). Now to do one to fit a 300 Ford you follow the same line of though except you would need to use the Ford 300 fuel pump arm. If you still have reservations on using the Chxxxy pump the next best bet would be to get a Carter 300 Ford fuel pump. Good luck :nod:

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Post #6 by 67chrrybucket » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:57 pm

After some research i found a Carter fuel pump that will push 35gph which according to the old math should support 350hp? Or am i wrong.
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Post #7 by motzingg » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:33 am

I used the 'summit street and strip' brand pump for the conversion. I think it was $18, china made but pretty good fit and finish... most of that summit stuff is not bad for china IMO.

It was very easy, i TIG welded the pivot pin back in place, but you could just as easily JB Weld it or drill and tap a set screw into there. Something any joker in his driveway with no special tools can do in an hour or so.


I'm much much happier running the holley 'Blue' pump, given to me by a friend for free and rebuilt for $20. I like the idea of having a non-electric fuel pump in case your battery is dead, but practically speaking you can't start your car anyhow with a dead battery, even if you bump start it, and its nice to always know if the switch is on, you have fuel pressure running or not, makes some troubleshooting easier.

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Post #8 by 67chrrybucket » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:40 pm

Mott is that summit one for a 350 Chevy also?
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Post #9 by 80broncoman » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:39 pm

If you can change a pump arm, I just happen to have a Ford pump for a Ford 391 truck engine.

I'm Unsure if it is a rebuilt or a New pump. it has a Very narrow line on the pump contact are testing perhaps??

It has NO odor of Gasoline. I don't thinkit was ever installed

It has the screw on filter on the bottom like the old ones.
and says Motorcraft on the filter base.
Top has Carter cast on one side and Made in U.S.A. and 0-2419 cast on the other.
AND it has 3/8 lines on it.

I'd think if it could feed a 391 4BBL carb engine it could feed just about any 200 six.

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Post #10 by motzingg » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:48 pm

67chrrybucket wrote:Mott is that summit one for a 350 Chevy also?


Yeah, i just went to go find the exact one, I think it was actually this one:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sgt-sp1000mp

I'm not sure, i'm pretty sure it was sold as a 'summit street and strip' brand, but it had the same crimped zinc plated top and casting looks similar.


Either way cheap mechanical, not much to go wrong, for the price it will definitely get you running. If it works and you like the way the conversion goes, you can upgrade later to a name brand unit or one of the rebuildable ones.

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Post #11 by ford6man27 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:25 pm

I run a300 six in a vintage dirt car. The rules does not allow an electric fuel pump. I had problems getting enough fuel to my engine until I finaly came up with a cure. Get a carter fuel pump for a 65 to 74 ford 300 truck part# M4013. This pump is a rebuildable pump and has the same bolt or screw pattern as a carter nascar pump which has double valving an AN10 inlet and an AN 8 outlet. I used the top half of the 300 pump which has the correct bolt pattern and arm and the 300 diaphragm used the bottom half of the nascar pump. My 300 is pretty healthy and I have never had a problem since then


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Post #12 by ford6man27 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:34 pm

Forgot to say I got my nascar pump for $25,00 from Ebay a 165 gallon per hour pump

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Post #13 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:35 am

Thanks Andy. I'll keep that in mind.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody in your race group use a belt driven pump, or are those also disallowed?
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Post #14 by ford6man27 » Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:51 am

Greg,
There is no rule saying you can't use a belt drive,but I am sure it would get voted down in a hurry. We keep our rules as close as we can to the same as they were in the 50's and 60's except for safety rules which we have to comply with track rules to be able to race. I don't remember anyone using a belt drive pump back in the day. But as you know, you sometimes have to walk the thin edge of the rules to be competitive.

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Post #15 by 67chrrybucket » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:07 am

Andy do you happen to have the Carter part number for the NASCAR pump i would be very interested in this swap
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Post #16 by ford6man27 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:04 pm

I got mine from Ebay. I have done two of these,the first I got from Ebay was for a chevy the second was for a ford. It does not make any difference. The bottom half on all are the same. I think that all carter pumps that are rebuildable have the same bolt or screw pattern holding the two halves together. I would think if you don't want the extra large inlet and outlet that one of the street and strip carter pumps would also work. They pump enough for a big cu. in. V8. I just typed in high volume carter fuel pump on Ebay. Both of mine have the outlet and inlet fittings welded in. Good luck with your project.


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Post #17 by 67chrrybucket » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:50 pm

The 300 fuel pump in your listing is able to do 40gph which should be enough to support 400hp? Unless my math and thinking are wrong if anyone knows?
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Post #18 by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:48 am

40 gal/hr x 6.2 lb/gal = 248 lb/hr / .50 lb/hp-hr = 496 hp
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Post #19 by 82F100 » Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:49 am

FTF,
Sounds like that the Carter M4013 would work fine even unmodified for a 300 horse bracket motor then??
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Post #20 by 67chrrybucket » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:04 am

Its probably the fuel pump used in dump trucks running in the upper rpms all day. Would running this much of a fuel pump through a street car hopefully 350hp be overkill or safe bet to keep it fueled correctly?
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Post #21 by 1964f100240 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:23 pm

i drilled and taped a stock pump the one with the filter housing to 3/8 npt and i have no problems with two 525cfm 2bbl has 4lb of fuel press when the neddle and seat are open.

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Post #22 by 67chrrybucket » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:23 pm

Im more or less worried about over fueling having a pump that exceeds my needs by so much.
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Post #23 by bubba22349 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:20 pm

You could always run a return line back to the fuel tank! :nod:
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Post #24 by 67chrrybucket » Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:57 pm

Im sorry i must have been working to hard or too tired when i typed that now i feel sheepish. I found another pump that was 35 gph would it be the smarter option or just run 40gph for insurance
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Post #25 by 82F100 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:17 am

I recently bought a Carter M4013 from Summit to do the stock top/ performance bottom pump and ran into an issue. The M4013 I received has a 10 bolt pattern vs the 6 bolt it use to have and what the other pumps have. So I have the pump at a friends machine shop getting in drilled and tapped for 1/4 NPT fittings. Will post a picture when I get it back.
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