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Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

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Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

Post #1 by edalvarado73 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:26 pm

Has anybody installed a 5 speed transmission from a 1995 ford F150 with a 300 L engine onto a 1965 300 L. The catch is I want to use the mechanical clutch components the truck has and just install the newer trans. Has anybody done this and if so what are your recommendations?

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Re: Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

Post #2 by woodbutcher » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:06 pm

:hmmm: What type of trans was on the 65 engine.If automatic,you will need a pilot bearing for the input shaft on the transmission.Get a new one they are cheap.Also,check the old pressure plate and clutch disc for wear.This would be a good time for a new set.
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Re: Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

Post #3 by BigBlue94 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:14 pm

That transmission should be an M5od-R2. If it has an external slave cylinder, I wouldn't see any issues using the mechanical clutch. I can't remember which slave style the m5 has. I know the zf5 is internal.
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Re: Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

Post #4 by Shorty » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:36 pm

m5od is internal slave. It wouldn't be too hard to adapt a hydraulic system into an older truck if one had access to the truck the newer tranny came from to scavenge some parts.
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Re: Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

Post #5 by BigBlue94 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:12 am

Or any ford from 84+, as they were all hydro
1985 Bronco. 309ci I6, NP435, 4.56 gears, Detroit locker and tru-trac, 4" lift, and 37" swamper tires. The 309 is 9.75:1 CR with a Schneider 140H cam, 4bbl, roller rockers, larger valves, and headers.

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Re: Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

Post #6 by MechRick » Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:23 pm

M5OD were all internal slave. No shift fork, no pivot for a shift fork.
ZF 5 speeds behind small blocks and sixes were internal slave. Behind big blocks and diesels, external slave.
All of them are integral bellhousing.

There are AN (Army/Navy) adapters for stock hydraulic slaves and masters. It's possible to adapt AN line to a stock setup.
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Re: Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

Post #7 by xctasy » Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:07 pm

Wilcap Co. Engine to Transmission Adapters

Wilcap Products & Sharp Equipment Divisions. P.O. Box Box 763 Pismo Beach CA 93448 (805) 481-7639 Fax 343-5000

>We offer more than 70 different adapters and we have several hundred different engines and transmissions in our CAD library. If you can't find what your looking for on the pages listed below, call us. Our kits come with all of the fasteners and complete, detailed instructions. We've been doing this for more than 50 years and we stand behind what we sell.


hancockartanddesign.com/g118/students-2014/weekly/innovative.precision/adapters.html

Request a Small block 302 to big block 460 Top Loader Bellhousing Adaptor with neautral flywheel balance flywheel with IIRC, 188 teeth .


It would be a reversed version of the Small Block Ford AOD adptor, which takes a 385 or FE series Big Block bellhousing down to a SBF size. You wanna go the other way


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https://www.diyford.com/ford-aod-transmission-installation-and-swapping-guide/ wrote:You can bolt the AOD/AODE/4R70W to Ford’s FE and 385-series big-blocks via conversion kits such as this Bendtsen’s Speed Gems transmission adaptor.




State what you wanna do, and why.
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Re: Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

Post #8 by broncr » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:10 am

What kind of budget/cost are you looking at?
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Re: Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

Post #9 by arse_sidewards » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:56 am

xctasy wrote:
Wilcap Co. Engine to Transmission Adapters

Wilcap Products & Sharp Equipment Divisions. P.O. Box Box 763 Pismo Beach CA 93448 (805) 481-7639 Fax 343-5000

>We offer more than 70 different adapters and we have several hundred different engines and transmissions in our CAD library. If you can't find what your looking for on the pages listed below, call us. Our kits come with all of the fasteners and complete, detailed instructions. We've been doing this for more than 50 years and we stand behind what we sell.


hancockartanddesign.com/g118/students-2014/weekly/innovative.precision/adapters.html

Request a Small block 302 to big block 460 Top Loader Bellhousing Adaptor with neautral flywheel balance flywheel with IIRC, 188 teeth .


It would be a reversed version of the Small Block Ford AOD adptor, which takes a 385 or FE series Big Block bellhousing down to a SBF size. You wanna go the other way


Image

https://www.diyford.com/ford-aod-transmission-installation-and-swapping-guide/ wrote:You can bolt the AOD/AODE/4R70W to Ford’s FE and 385-series big-blocks via conversion kits such as this Bendtsen’s Speed Gems transmission adaptor.




State what you wanna do, and why.



Putting in an adapter when you can just swap a hydraulic master into the truck is not exactly cost effective.
1994 F150 4x4 8ft, engine is basically stock.

66" leafs, extended radius arms, lockers in both ends, nothing special.

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Re: Installing a 1995 5 speed transmission to a 1965 300 L

Post #10 by xctasy » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:08 pm

Granted, but a good adaptor is just about 100 bucks of aluminum with a profile cut and CNC bolt holes. Then there is the neutral balance flywheel, and other issues, but the 300 is loved, and the V8 5 speeds are around.

I've done adaptors many times for my odd ball 4 cylinder into six cylinder swaps, and its dead easy to go backawards with a tough V8 big block to six cylinder swap.


My favorite is the Torquflite 727 to 265 Hemi six swap, or the New Process A834 to in line six swap.

Its even better if you have undergrad Lakky labor via the many guys who do solid works.


The center hole punch clutch is the spawn of Hairy Legs. Ford only did it because no one would ever break a wide ratio 5 speed gearbox unless it was trashed hard or a miss hap under warranty.

Once you've done a RAV4 head gasket, or replaced a 4.0 SOHC Explorer timing chain, the total removal of the gearbox to replace a center hole clutch seal is yet another pregnant air gasping pause in the delights of modern truckin.


I love external clutch adjusters. Real nice. Just clean the mud off of them, and then make sure its adjusted right.
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