Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

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Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #1 by 64 200 ranchero » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:43 am

Does anyone make a bellhousing to fit a Barra to a c4?
60 ford ranchero 200 tri power, modified c4 trans, performance ds2 distributor, msd 6, 3 stage retard, weber ict's, 8" rear end with spool, 3.40 gears, CI dual out header, Flowmaster, 90hp wet nitrous kit.

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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #2 by rocklord » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:27 am

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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #3 by 64 200 ranchero » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:07 pm

Awesome thanks
60 ford ranchero 200 tri power, modified c4 trans, performance ds2 distributor, msd 6, 3 stage retard, weber ict's, 8" rear end with spool, 3.40 gears, CI dual out header, Flowmaster, 90hp wet nitrous kit.

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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #4 by rocklord » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:11 pm

I found a bellhousing on eBay in California for a lot less money and free shipping.

Here it is:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Quick-Time-SFI- ... qR&vxp=mtr

Hope this helps.
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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #5 by 64 200 ranchero » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:18 pm

Thanks, this will probably be a future build
60 ford ranchero 200 tri power, modified c4 trans, performance ds2 distributor, msd 6, 3 stage retard, weber ict's, 8" rear end with spool, 3.40 gears, CI dual out header, Flowmaster, 90hp wet nitrous kit.

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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #6 by rocklord » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:26 am

I take it that you have a Barra engine.
Which one? What vehicle are you planning to install it in?

Have you figured out how to handle the engine management without the stock transmission?

A 157 tooth flexplate from a US 250 would work except the bolt holes are 7/16" and the crank is 10mm.

I've got an AU 4.0 engine and am dealing with some of the same problems you'll be dealing with.
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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #7 by 64 200 ranchero » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:59 am

I don't have one yet, but I did find one. I'm thinking about doing it, but I wanted to make sure that it can be done. I love my tri-power 200, but it requires a lot of attention. Thanks for the info. It looks like it is doable.
60 ford ranchero 200 tri power, modified c4 trans, performance ds2 distributor, msd 6, 3 stage retard, weber ict's, 8" rear end with spool, 3.40 gears, CI dual out header, Flowmaster, 90hp wet nitrous kit.

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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #8 by rocklord » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:30 am

You may have clearance issues with the broad band manifold (BBM) to the left shock tower, and the front of the DOHC valve cover to the hood.
You may have to get the engine as low as possible to clear the hood, or make a scoop.

The Barra engine has an ECU that utilizes engine immobilizers called Smartlock and Smartshield. That's why you'll see some engine solds with the complete wiring harness, instrumentation (dash), transmission, and chassis computer; even the pedal assembly and gas tank. There are companies out there (in Australia) that can reflash the ECU to disable those features and change transmissions.

In order to install the AU 4.0 SOHC engine in my 65 Mustang, I'll have to shift the engine over to the right to clear the BBM to the shock tower.
The SOHC valve cover is not as pronounced as the DOHC, so I should be fine. The ECU for the AU can be reprogrammed with installation of a J3 Chip on the motherboard to bypass the immobilizers and change transmissions.

Good Luck. Keep us posted.
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1964 Corvair Coupe, 164CID, 140HP, 4Spd
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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #9 by gravelrash » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:57 pm

the Quicktime bellhousing is actually the pick of the bellhousings.
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250 2v Turbo holset H1C 600dp blow through Holley.
NOW 250 crossflow efi using Delco injection.
412hp at the f@#king tyres. YEAH BABY

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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #10 by Thom the Aussie » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:19 am

Regarding your flexplate issue I know the Aussie 5.0 flexplates fit 4.0 but you have to get a neutral balanced one, I have a few here I check the tooth count if you'd like

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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #11 by Thom the Aussie » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:50 am

Also torque power do bellhousings to suit barra to c4 but if you were interested in a manual you could use an au bellhousing to suit t5 if you wanted a cable clutch or if you want a hydraulic clutch the ba t5 setup will do, earlier 4.0 bellhoungs fit the block but do not bolt up to the sump whereas au sohc and barra will interchange with each other

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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #12 by rwbrooks50 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:39 pm

Have you seen this Barra on ebay?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-4-0L-24V- ... 29&vxp=mtr


US Customs is the major issue.


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Re: Barra 4.0 to a c4 transmission?

Post #13 by rocklord » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:59 am

rwbrooks50 wrote:Have you seen this Barra on ebay?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-4-0L-24V- ... 29&vxp=mtr


US Customs is the major issue.


Rick


I've looked at this engine before on eBay. Originally the seller was importing the engine into Washington state but US Customs would not let it into the country so the seller sent it to British Columbia. If you check the auction description the seller states:

The engine is in Surrey, BC and can be collected from a warehouse with fork lift on hand. I can also arrange shipping anywhere in Canada at your cost. If you are in the USA you would need to email a # and I will call to discuss.


There are other auctions for Barra engines. Here is one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-turbo-bar ... 0011.m1850

The seller for this auction states:

USA Customers, due to EPA Import Rules this engine is not available to import.

My guess is that the EPA is cracking down on importing engines, as it does vehicles, for emissions.
If this is the case, the engine would have to be built prior to a certain year to be imported.

If the Barra engine is not already in the US, you will have to wait until the EPA anniversary year.
Dan

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1964 Corvair Coupe, 164CID, 140HP, 4Spd
1961 Corvair Lakewood wagon, 145CID, 80HP, 2Spd Powerglide Auto.
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