250 Oil Pans and O/D trans conversions

Retroboy

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Howdy
I'm new here and it's about 30 years since I've owned a 6 cylinder Ford so I need your help. I'm looking at a 250 log motor for a project car but the sump maybe an issue. I seam to recall that a Falcon has the sump at the front and a Cortina is different and assume an F100 would be different again. What can you tell me that will make my day.

Also I'm looking hard at $1.50 a litre fuel and wondering is there the demand for me to put the time into getting some adaptors cast to fit up an early non electronic TH700R GM overdrive 4 speed auto tranny. I'm assuming there isn't a O/D tranny conversion on the market.
Cheers
Tony
 
I believe 'Execute' was developing a 4speed auto to early six conversion... maybe PM him for details?
 
Actually, the owner of the adaptor idea is David Mc Nair (Econoline-64). I didn't take a patent or design mark on the idea when I had it in 2001.

I am running a 1991 US AOD gearbox behind this engine. Had an adapter plate and a crank adapter machined to allow me to mate the Aussie block and the US V8 bellhousing. Pretty neat set up. Pictures available upon request. I had my machinist friend make a blue print of the adapter plate and crank adapter so that they can be replicated in case anyone else was interested in purchasing one.

I trust this man, he's a really dedicated person.



I modelled mine of the Ford C4 to Sidevlave 221/239 conversion plate used in the 164 teeth item from 351W/351C Fords, and its very easy to build.

Against my better judgement, I took a few dollars from David Mc Nair way back in 2004. He is a perfect gentleman and was very patient, but I was unable to deliver him the goods in a reasonable time frame due to homelife, work commitments, and the need to float my own business ventures. So toghether, he and I reversed the cheque, and I 've kept away form semi-commerical stuff ever since. I'm sworn off any other adaptors untill I've finished my own Cortina project.

David has built one over in the States for his X-flow powered truck. He's familiar with the bolting requirements and the very minor die grinding of the rightside flange required to fit the low mount V8 starter motor to the AOD or AOD-E.

I've built three adaptors, but won't be selling them commerically because I want the adaptor to link to another product I've been working on. Nothing I build ever gets sold unless I've test run it before hand, and I certainly don't mind anyone else having a go.

If its AOD or Chevy/Buick/Olds/Caddilac THM, it makes no difference to the nature of the adaptor. Each low mount V8 style gearbox requires minor flange grinding to fit high mount blocks, because the starter and mounting type is different and varies a little. There is little difference in transmission weight and size, the AOD is no heavier than the THM 400 or 700, and is heaps and heaps stronger modified than any GM box with four speeds, and also much better than those GM ones with two or three.

It's dead simple to do the design in AutoCAD and have a profile cutter spit them out like a susagages for a machine, so talk to David, and get one from him.

I've back in 2004, I did some networking with Marks, Castlemain, Steve Buchart, but the adaptor business in Australia is fickle and missing the fire it had in the 80's. Steve Buchart, a leading bad ass auto trans builder of note, recons he'd never make an adaptor for an automatic, so I bow to superior wisdom or small mindedness.

It's a simple job, but you have to be tenacious to work through specialist machinsts who need you to have actually built one so they can understand how simple it is.
 
Thanks for that. I come from an Old school Drag racing back ground where we mad all our own stuff and I don't see it as being an overly big deal, and I know a really switch on machinest. I wold make some thing up and when happy get them cast but interesting that you said that is dead these days.
What about the sumps (oil pans) and info there?
Cheers
Tony
 
According to work done with a Fuel Pet metered Mitsubishi Colt by Wheels back in 1981, a saving of 30% on engine revs at 110 km/h saves 8% on open road fuel economy. Indications elseware is that that saving counts for both highway and urban conditions if the overdrive gearing is ideal.


As to why some of this gear is not around, well, it is not being made because people can't define what improvements are yielded when you make a new part. (Mainly because the internet perpetuates dumb ideas as well as encyclopedia knowledge. Just being a 'Net Junkie' dosen't really increase understanding. That's why StreetRoder, Hot Rod readers and Custom Rodder readers with grey hairs tend to be better instigators of good adaptors than some of the new emerging talent).


Like proper overdrive transmission conversions, there are no new alloy sumps or dry sumps for old Ford Sixes, another case where no-one is thinking ahead. On sixes, the sump is the whole reason the pre BA I6 engines vibrate and make lots of noise, its a critical area. Its also where the oil cavitates in about 2 to 3 litres of windage any speed over 4500 rpm.. Thats about 5 hp for our I6's, plus better reliabiliity, better rev range.

I think High Energy used to make uprated high capacity pressed steel 200/250 Cortina/Falcon replacements on exhange. Asside from some handbuilt, special order polished alloy one offs, no one is making I6 sumps new in Australia, presumably due to the unit rate costs, and the amount they'd have to cahrge to make a return would force wreckers prices up, and out sourcing to Malaysia, China or India looks like a good way to cut your throat.

:idea: Best option is probably getting a G-rotor post EL crank, and make up a flat alloy or steel plate sump, and tie it into the transmission adaptor. One small Weaver pump to circulate the oil, you could run an L34 Bathurst Torana style "technical" dry sump system and have no requirement for any sump at all.
 
Thanks for your thoughts Xecute. I sorry but I seem to remember mentioning something about 30 years since I've been near a Inline Ford 6, so I have to ask - what is a is a G-rotor post EL crank?
Cheers
 
Yeah, Epi Trochoidal take-off oil pump (AU, BA, BF), like the Holden GM 3800 had after 1988. The crank just needs its main bearings turned down a little, and a billet front cover made.

The crank is 12 counterweight, just like Holdens XT5 3.3 was form 1981 onwards. GM leads, Ford follows. :roll:

(I steal all my good ideas from GM best-practice)
 
Don't like to bump an old thread, but I've been driving my crossflow/4-speed O/D equipped Falcon for a couple of months now (and about 3000km). It uses a BTR 85/93/95 box and it works very well. I get about 50km more out of a tank around town and the highway fuel usage is down to about 11l/100km (from about 15).

An easy, easy mod.
 
Howdy Let me go back to the bit about 30 years since I've had a Ford I6. What is a BTR 85/93 /95 box?
Cheers
Tony
 
gb500":2pm5xkyt said:
Retroboy":2pm5xkyt said:
Howdy Let me go back to the bit about 30 years since I've had a Ford I6. What is a BTR 85/93 /95 box?
Cheers
Tony
http://www.fordmods.com/gearbox-suspens ... 65172.html

think they are electronically shifted 4 speed auto's- so will need a black box.

It's a very easy wiring job ; about 8 wires in total, apart from the harness you add from the donor car (with the ecu, etc.).
 
wagon":296lbcu5 said:
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It's a very easy wiring job ; about 8 wires in total, apart from the harness you add from the donor car (with the ecu, etc.).

be interested in the details - full ECU from the donor ford -inc dash and full engine fuel injection ?
 
gb500":1n2t5iiw said:
wagon":1n2t5iiw said:
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It's a very easy wiring job ; about 8 wires in total, apart from the harness you add from the donor car (with the ecu, etc.).

be interested in the details - full ECU from the donor ford -inc dash and full engine fuel injection ?

No, it was just the transmission ecu & harness from the wreck. EA2orEB1 are the go, they used a separate ecu for the transmission. I've already got efi so I left that system alone.
 
No, it was just the transmission ecu & harness from the wreck. EA2orEB1 are the go, they used a separate ecu for the transmission. I've already got efi so I left that system alone.

ahh and no inetrface between the two ecu's ? ie any other sensors required ie throttle position , manifold vacuum?, rpm ? etc
 
TPS only. On mine I tapped into the TPS wiring for the EFI. You also need a speed signal (from the VSS) and a tacho signal from the coil.
 
wagon":2yur18fr said:
Don't like to bump an old thread, but I've been driving my crossflow/4-speed O/D equipped Falcon for a couple of months now (and about 3000km). It uses a BTR 85/93/95 box and it works very well. I get about 50km more out of a tank around town and the highway fuel usage is down to about 11l/100km (from about 15).

An easy, easy mod.


But still no pics Kendall!
 
I checked my camera today, there are only a couple of photos that are worth it. I'll put it on the hoist and get some more soon.

Oh, it's legal too. Blue plated and everything.
 
Retroboy":1ou1ush0 said:
What about the sumps (oil pans) and info there?
Cheers
Tony
Hi Tony,
If you still wondering......
You are correct, 250 Falcon sump has bulge at front and Cortina at back. I am not familiar with the F series though. If you're looking for a corty sump, PM me
 
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