How to read block serial number?

papawfalcon

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I have a X-flow in my Ranchero. After reading on here for an hour or two I need to know more abouth my engine.What year what size, hp mybe may cabburator is wrong. any help would be nice maybe a link to berak down or mabey someone knows. JG23FA 202 90 C above altenator on in OZ would be driver side. THe head seam to be allumium? Thanks for any and all help.
 
Ok, If I am correct J=Australia G= Broadmedows 23= Falcon 500 sedan F=1966 A= November. Now to find the 20290C on the second row? OR maybe not this is a X-flow has the wide flat valve cover not the narrow round the the early Sixes. Thanks Ken
 
JG23FA
202 90 C

Your engine is most likely an E or X code pre catalytic converter engine which met ADR 27B or New South Wales variation emissions regs, was a base model Ford Falcon GL XF 4.1 Alloy Head II 2-BBL Weber carb engine, which meets US 1973 emissions specs, and as such, is a leaded fuel engine that runs on the old leaded high test with a 93 anti knock index (our 97 MON/RON/2)

JG= J=Ford Australia, specifically a Falcon engine if made before 1986, made in Geelong, the Broadmeadows Main assembly line
23=3rd and 4th Character=Falcon GL
F=5th Character is the Year of the build (eg. J=1969, K=1970, L=1971, M=1972, etc, but 1985 in this case )
A=6th Character is the Month of the build (4 sets of 12 letters were used on a rolling 4 year cycle, July in this case)
The next 5 numbers and a letter are the Consecutive Unit Number or Serial Number
20290C.

Unlike US numbers, the engine VIN code is on the chassis, not the engine, but the number is the sequenced engine serial number. FoMoCo Australia know exactly what engine this is, carb 3.3 or 4.1, or EFI 4.1, and if its low, medium or high compression, or if its the tougher New South Wales or easier non EGR export New Zealand emissions spec.

Your choice of VIN engine codes depend on its 3.3/4.1, carb or EFI status. E,V,B, X or L code as below.

The XF leaded 97 RON engine codes
Y = 4.1 EFI 164 hp DIN net
E =High Compression HC 4.1 2BBL, 138 HP DIN net (9.38" deck seven bearing, wide block, 160 teeth flywheel or flexplate)
V or B = High Compression HC 3.3 2BBL, 121 HP DIN net (9.38" deck seven bearing, wide block, 160 teeth flywheel or flexplate)

The New South Wales Leaded RON 97 Emmision XF engine codes* undisclosed HP loss
Y = 4.1 EFI 164 hp DIN net(All states same)
X = High Compression HC 4.1 1V, 138 HP DIN net (9.38" deck seven bearing, wide block, 160 teeth flywheel or flexplate)
L = Medium Compression MC 3.3 1V 115 HP DIN net (9.38" deck seven bearing, wide block, 160 teeth flywheel or flexplate)

81Capri200":g6apb98d said:
Guys, here is the definitive list for all pre-VIN Chassis/Engine numbers!

1st Character:
A=Ford North America, (F series)
C=Ford Britain, (Used for Capris, Cortinas, Escorts (UK sourced CKD kits))
J=Ford Australia or
U=Mazda Japan (Used for Lasers, Meteors, Telstars & Capri Convertibles (Japan sourced))
NOTE: The Geelong Engine plant DID NOT have a letter code as it never assembled cars there!

2nd Character:
G=Broadmeadows (Main assembly line)
H=Brisbane
K=Sydney (Homebush)
L=Broadmeadows (Secondary assembly line/s, trucks and some cars built at Broadmeadows and offsite (Cortinas) in the Coburg/Preston area)

3rd & 4th Characters are the vehicle types or body codes, eg. 1J=F100 4x2, 11=Futura Sedan, 14=Capri Deluxe, 17=Capri GT, 30=Capri XL, 33=Falcon GT, 47=Falcon Sundowner Van, 64=Fairlane Ghia, 78=Cortina GT, etc

5th Character is the Year of the build (eg. J=1969, K=1970, L=1971, M=1972, etc)

6th Character is the Month of the build (4 sets of 12 letters were used on a rolling 4 year cycle)

then, the next 5 numbers and a letter are the Consecutive Unit Number or Serial Number.

These, usually 12 character Chassis codes, were also the engine numbers used from around mid-1971 onwards. These codes were replaced in 1981 by the now familiar worldwide universal 17 character VIN codes, which are completely different to these codes!
 
Ok, so this makes it a 250? and HP Do I need to check the stroke? How do I tell if it has low or high compresion with out the Vin number. Also I have the Webber 34 ADM and did not find a kit in US. I put it on the motor and would not run. Does the electrical have to be hooked up. Can single componits to make up a kit be bought in US. IF not how expencive is shipping.Thanks again ,Ken.
 
There are two ways to check if its the 9.35:1 compression, 93 aki, 138 bhp, 225 lb-ft version of the Cross flow 4.1. One is via crank stroke, drop wire down number one, and raise and lower the first piston and mark with a marker the top and bottom movements, and then measure off. If its 3.126 inches or near offer, its 200, if its 3.91, its 250. The second is that the distributor unit has a code number on it for calibration, which allows you to find the engine.


Only DGAV, DGAS and DCOE parts are serviced for Webers. That's because there has been a raft of orginal Spanish, Italian versions being replaced by Weber branded South American or Far Eastern copies.The better, orginal Weber ADM 34 parts are supplied from other agents. The ADM 34 comes with the easily adjustable electric choke and idle solenoid to stop engine run-on. The stock 32/36 DGAV and 38 DGAS only have these as extra cost options, and then you have to rejet and recalibrate them. Problem is, the supply is being overtaken by the non OEM Webers, the US market, Interco/Weber Carbs Direct workalike carbs like the EMPI carbs built in China, the EPC 32/36e, EPC 32/36m, EPC 32/36a, EPC 38/38e,EPC 32/36f and EPC 34. These look just like other older Webers, but are not. So the aftermarket has raced to provide for these, and not the more developed ADM 34.

When the engine is cold, the auto choke spring contracts, closing the choke. When the engine is running, the spring is heated by a 7 volt electric current, taken directly from a terminal on the vehicle's alternator. 7 volts is te requirement, but 12 v is what some people use.

On some cars, the idle stop solenoid is connected to ignition power so that the throttle is held open while the engine is running then closes fully when the key is off to prevent dieseling. If that is how yours is wired, it will work for the electric choke. On other cars the solenoid is normally retracted and is only powered under high load conditions, such as when the A/C compressor is on. In that case, it will not be suitable for use on the choke.

In America, the Weber parts suppliers are very, very good. The problem is you Americans have a population base far more than just 23 million people, and the Australian suppliers are geared around local supply, they don't really think international.The exception is Recarb

The 34 ADM carb is listed with similar parts as the 34 ADFA used in twin cam Fiats. Standard parts supply ex Australia is pretty good via GEM Parts Australia , but the supplier, while very competitive, is fairly mercenanry, with the occassional bad feedback. As a percentage of sales, Matts feedback is okay. Other suppliers can only match the cost on a full carb rebuild.

http://www.ebay.com.au/bhp/weber-34-adm

I'd suggest you try Matt and see how you go.

The best supplier, if you are prepared to call them and talk about your needs,

is ReCarb
Sunshine Coast of Queensland at:
4 Waterview St, Warana, Qld 4575
Austalian Phone Number : BH (07) 5493 3788
Email : sales@recarb.com.au

Problem is they only sell whole remanufactured Weber ADM34 carb packages for five generic engine packages, and don't service Falcon X flow XE/XF engines at all, since most guys get least cost parts from Ford Australia New Old Stock or GEM Parts

1.the Mitsubishi (nee Dodge D50)/ Ford Courier Aston Silent Shaft 2.555 liter engines, http://recarb.com.au/pajero-triton-petr ... 22_31.html, AUS $529
2. the Mazda B 2600 with MitsubishiAston Silent Shaft 2.555 liter engines, http://recarb.com.au/mazda-1987-1991-b2 ... p-140.html, AUS $529,
3. Holden L6 3044 cc and 3294 cc 1968 to 1976 186 and 202 cubic inch Red motors. http://recarb.com.au/holden-motor-stree ... -p-99.html, AUS $ 495
4. Weber Carburetor Conversion Kit - Nissan Navara/Pathfinder Z24, AUS $ 539
http://recarb.com.au/weber-carburetor-c ... -p-16.html
5.Australian Ford Courier with MitsubishiAston Silent Shaft 2.555 liter engines, AUS $529
http://recarb.com.au/ford-courier-c-8_25_90.html

Like everyone else, its other newer conversions usually use the more expensive 32/36 Weber DGAV and 38mm DGAS. Ford Australia, via Borg Warner/BTR Australia, had supplied about 650000 Weber ADM 34 equiped 3.3 and 4.1 cars from 1982 to 1992, with parts supply still around from Ford Australia. Since Ford Oz still has big garage sales, any supplier for ADM 34 parts has to compete with new old stock Ford Australia parts from 82 to 87 Ford Falcon sedan and 1982-1992 Falcon pickups, the 1988-1992 Nissan Ute and 1982-1985 Aussie F100 pickups with the 4.1 engine .

To make it work, you have to have four bases covered

1.idle stop solenoid needs 12 volts through it to work.
2.The electric choke needs 7 volts to work, but will operate on 12 v. The carb is found under http://holdenpaedia.oldholden.com/Weber_Conversion
3. The fuel pressure is regulated by a bleed back corrector valve, that uses a specific 1982 to 1992 Alloy Head II XE/XF Australian Ford Carter fuel pump, bassically the 1983 to 1985 5.0 4-BBL 4180C Holley fuel pump with bleed back and vapour return line. You have to use 5.0 GT logic to make sure it doesn't flood. A Holley fuel regulator with no bleed back might work, but its easier to just run a return line.
4. Float level needs to be in spec

The carb replacement hardware is listed with similar parts to the 1974 onwards European and Australian Mopars and European Fiats

ex 1. Talbot Solara, Chrysler 2 liter, Chrysler Centura, Chrysler C160/C180/C200 listed as 34 ADSDA 11 and 34 ADSDA 15 as a 22/26 venturi carb
and
2. 131/132 Fiat, where its listed as a 34ADFA on the 2 litre 131, it has venturies of 22/24, 23/25, 24/26.
34 ADF8/200 from Fiat Abarth 131 RaIIy 24 / 26
34 ADF 15/250 from Fiat 131 Racing 24 / 26
34 ADF 54/250 from Fiat 131 2000 2 ACT 24 / 26
32 ADF 22/250 from Fiat 132 1600 22 / 24
34 ADF 4/250 from Fiat 132 1800 23 / 25
34 ADF 24/250 from Fiat 132 2000 24 / 26

See http://www.turbo124.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12136
 
It is so wonderful that we have this forum. More so that we have someone who can help us with all of our sometime crazy questions. i have worked on the american 144,170, and 200 for 40 years.( not a mechanic and don't claim to be) I do not work on a chevy maybe a mopar. But these Oz x-flows is a new world. Thank you so much Xctasy for sharing your abundace of knowlege on the OZ motors. Glad you are on FORD SIX!
 
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