1965 inline 6
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How far from stock do you want to go? Check the who's who list below:-
1. Ak Miller 1-bbl, 2-bbl, 4-bbl one, two and four carb adaptors
2. Three carbs (kevinl1058, FordSedanDelivery etc
3. a direct mount 2-bbl or TBi (MPGmustang's MRaley head)
4. a Classic inlines (65 Mustang, 62 Ranchero),
5. a 2V head (Ricksmol, Jimbo65 [discontinued], 65coupei6 and about 26 others)
6. even a bolt on 2-bbl to 1-bbl log head adapter (early MRaley)
7. a turbocharger with any kind of 1, 2 or 4-bbl adapter (Does10's, First Fox, Lincs 200, Fast65Ranchero, JGTurbo,
Each will work wonders, absolute miracles! Increases go up from stock hp, and so do prices.
With the stock head casting, and killer modifications like the Aussie three DCOE 45 set up made by Paul Knott, there is a true 280 flywheel hp from just 170 cubic inch engine that made 105 hp gross, 72 net flywheel hp or just 57 rear wheel hp. A 289% boost in power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw6qPQOIPRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QTgb4knAuI
WerbyFord got it all in context with one post of the slowest to fasted small six Fords
Classic Inlines has all the advice you need. These 14 articles are an example of what you need to consider.
http://www.classicinlines.com/Magazines.asp
These eight pages from the late Ak Miller cover just how easy it is to boost power 87% with a stock engine, while still getting 35.9 mpg for fuel consumption at 45 mph
http://www.classicinlines.com/HA1.asp
Our regular and historic users on the 144-250 small six forum cover how to do it in elaborate detail.
There's 190 to 205 flywheel hp with a well worked 2-barrel 200 six. kevinl1058's neat tri-power 200 round body 61 Falcon chassis dyno's at just on 144-147 rear wheel hp, but that is about 181 flywheel hp with the best manual gearbox drive train loss of 26.4%, and probably there is more. FalconSedanDelivey's 250 tripower had to be at least a a 220 flywheel hp engine based on race weight, 1/4 mile and trap speed mph.
Ideally, whatever combination and modifications your looking for, it should make best power at as little revs as possible. Stock, a 200 six is rated as 115 to 125 hp gross, or 85 to 92 hp net at the flywheel.
When chassis dyno'ed, any stock 1963 to 1983 200 cube 1-bbl I6 manual often puts out around 65 hp to the bags with mid 19 second quarter mile times, but you can triple that power with a 225% gain from stock power with just head, cam, ignition, exhaust, trans and carb changes, often getting similar part throttle economy. Economy improves especially if you swap a T5 5speed transmission in instead of the stock automatic gearbox most 200 I6's came with. Quarter mile times with a 225 % power boost can drop to mid 13 second quarter mile times, with maximum top speed another 50 mph up on stock.
Best options are the Classic Inlines head. A 2v copy of the 250 2V Falcon head via a direct mount 350 or 500 cfm Holley 2-bbl carb will work, but you have to follow the examples of those here to the letter.
Good examples are Ricksmol, Jimbo65 [discontinued], 65coupei6, Crosley
With a Clay Smith 274 you can go out and up to 205 flywheel hp with the right mods to the C4 gearbox and torque converter. That's about 150 rwhp. See Crosley's posts
With a Schneider 260/270, and a Classic Inlines or 2V 250 head, you can easily get over 130 rear wheel hp, 65coupei6 and Ricksmol, and discontinued user Jimbo65,
If you ditch the auto, you can run a much milder 264 -112 cam and get 235 to 266 flywheel hp from the Classic inlines head with a 465 to 600 4-bbl carb and a T5 transmission. MRaley has posts of his 235 flywheel hp engine. See it in Dyno Run 2A on http://www.classicinlines.com/dynoroom.asp
Beware. You can require lots more revs to get the same power if you select the wrong cam. http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=70440
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/cc ... nline_six/
Finally, if you use the the WerbyFord Werbly Gonkulator, Moroso HP Calculator or Estimate Quarter Mile Horsepower from MPH by Wallace Racing, Mustang Geezer's 2638 pound race weight, 98.1 mph 13.67 second pass only makes 195 rear wheel wheel horsepower. An automatic torque converter sucks up lots more power thru the drive train than a manual clutch does.Crosely's 2-bbl direct mount is in a 3000 pound car and does 87.7 mph at 15.17 secs, yielding about 157 rwhp
If a chassis dyno is used for tuning, the rear wheel hp figures to aim for are a minimum of 39% lower with a c4, and 26% less with a T5. The loss from factory flywheel to rear wheel hp is often stated by drag racers as 15%, but modern dyno's are influenced by counterweights and its certainly usual to see as much as 60% power loss with a good original 200 C4 combo. Sometimes not giving more than 52 hp bog stock from what was a true 85 hp flywheel net engine. Adding these factors to Mustang Geezer and Crosely's 200 I6 powered cars gives flywheel power figures of 274 hp and 218 hp respectively. When I say Mustang Geezer and Crosely's cars are true 258 and 205 hp cars, that assumes a very low 31% drive train loss. If the drive train loss were only 15%, the flywheel hp figures would mean the 4-bbl Mustang Geezers car would be 227 hp, and Crosley's 180 flywheel hp.
1. Ak Miller 1-bbl, 2-bbl, 4-bbl one, two and four carb adaptors
2. Three carbs (kevinl1058, FordSedanDelivery etc
3. a direct mount 2-bbl or TBi (MPGmustang's MRaley head)
4. a Classic inlines (65 Mustang, 62 Ranchero),
5. a 2V head (Ricksmol, Jimbo65 [discontinued], 65coupei6 and about 26 others)
6. even a bolt on 2-bbl to 1-bbl log head adapter (early MRaley)
7. a turbocharger with any kind of 1, 2 or 4-bbl adapter (Does10's, First Fox, Lincs 200, Fast65Ranchero, JGTurbo,
Each will work wonders, absolute miracles! Increases go up from stock hp, and so do prices.
With the stock head casting, and killer modifications like the Aussie three DCOE 45 set up made by Paul Knott, there is a true 280 flywheel hp from just 170 cubic inch engine that made 105 hp gross, 72 net flywheel hp or just 57 rear wheel hp. A 289% boost in power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw6qPQOIPRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QTgb4knAuI
xctasy":3wvurg8f said:Aussies......
With a few tubes and some knowledge, Paul Knott is getting 280 hp at as low as 6500 rpm from just 170 cubes in his 6 XK Falcon.
WerbyFord got it all in context with one post of the slowest to fasted small six Fords
WerbyFord":3wvurg8f said:....
23.79 at 58mph: Slowest Falcon Six on record (144 Falcon slushbox)
19.33 at 69mph: Fastest Falcon 144 Six "Trips", 60 Falcon mar 60 Hot Rod tests, et/mph calc'd from 0-60 and 50-70
17.40 at 77mph: 66 Triumph TR4A, a real sports car. More class than anything new regardless of speed.
16.73 at 79mph: Fastest Falcon 200 Six "Trips", Gene 64 Falcon
14.39 at 92mph: Fastest Falcon 250 Six "Trips", 65 Mustang FSD EDIT forgot about this one!!! Maybe more in it.
14.10 at 95mph: Fastest normal (no spray or squeeze) 200 Six (Doug's 65 Mustang). Maybe 13s now? EDIT YES
13.67 at 98mph: Fastest normal (no spray or squeeze) 200 Six (Doug's 65 Mustang). Maybe 13s now? EDIT YES
10.95 at 124mph: Fastest Falcon Six (Kelly in Does10s)
....
Classic Inlines has all the advice you need. These 14 articles are an example of what you need to consider.
http://www.classicinlines.com/Magazines.asp
These eight pages from the late Ak Miller cover just how easy it is to boost power 87% with a stock engine, while still getting 35.9 mpg for fuel consumption at 45 mph
http://www.classicinlines.com/HA1.asp
Our regular and historic users on the 144-250 small six forum cover how to do it in elaborate detail.
There's 190 to 205 flywheel hp with a well worked 2-barrel 200 six. kevinl1058's neat tri-power 200 round body 61 Falcon chassis dyno's at just on 144-147 rear wheel hp, but that is about 181 flywheel hp with the best manual gearbox drive train loss of 26.4%, and probably there is more. FalconSedanDelivey's 250 tripower had to be at least a a 220 flywheel hp engine based on race weight, 1/4 mile and trap speed mph.
Ideally, whatever combination and modifications your looking for, it should make best power at as little revs as possible. Stock, a 200 six is rated as 115 to 125 hp gross, or 85 to 92 hp net at the flywheel.
When chassis dyno'ed, any stock 1963 to 1983 200 cube 1-bbl I6 manual often puts out around 65 hp to the bags with mid 19 second quarter mile times, but you can triple that power with a 225% gain from stock power with just head, cam, ignition, exhaust, trans and carb changes, often getting similar part throttle economy. Economy improves especially if you swap a T5 5speed transmission in instead of the stock automatic gearbox most 200 I6's came with. Quarter mile times with a 225 % power boost can drop to mid 13 second quarter mile times, with maximum top speed another 50 mph up on stock.
Best options are the Classic Inlines head. A 2v copy of the 250 2V Falcon head via a direct mount 350 or 500 cfm Holley 2-bbl carb will work, but you have to follow the examples of those here to the letter.
Good examples are Ricksmol, Jimbo65 [discontinued], 65coupei6, Crosley
With a Clay Smith 274 you can go out and up to 205 flywheel hp with the right mods to the C4 gearbox and torque converter. That's about 150 rwhp. See Crosley's posts
With a Schneider 260/270, and a Classic Inlines or 2V 250 head, you can easily get over 130 rear wheel hp, 65coupei6 and Ricksmol, and discontinued user Jimbo65,
If you ditch the auto, you can run a much milder 264 -112 cam and get 235 to 266 flywheel hp from the Classic inlines head with a 465 to 600 4-bbl carb and a T5 transmission. MRaley has posts of his 235 flywheel hp engine. See it in Dyno Run 2A on http://www.classicinlines.com/dynoroom.asp
Beware. You can require lots more revs to get the same power if you select the wrong cam. http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=70440
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/cc ... nline_six/
Finally, if you use the the WerbyFord Werbly Gonkulator, Moroso HP Calculator or Estimate Quarter Mile Horsepower from MPH by Wallace Racing, Mustang Geezer's 2638 pound race weight, 98.1 mph 13.67 second pass only makes 195 rear wheel wheel horsepower. An automatic torque converter sucks up lots more power thru the drive train than a manual clutch does.Crosely's 2-bbl direct mount is in a 3000 pound car and does 87.7 mph at 15.17 secs, yielding about 157 rwhp
If a chassis dyno is used for tuning, the rear wheel hp figures to aim for are a minimum of 39% lower with a c4, and 26% less with a T5. The loss from factory flywheel to rear wheel hp is often stated by drag racers as 15%, but modern dyno's are influenced by counterweights and its certainly usual to see as much as 60% power loss with a good original 200 C4 combo. Sometimes not giving more than 52 hp bog stock from what was a true 85 hp flywheel net engine. Adding these factors to Mustang Geezer and Crosely's 200 I6 powered cars gives flywheel power figures of 274 hp and 218 hp respectively. When I say Mustang Geezer and Crosely's cars are true 258 and 205 hp cars, that assumes a very low 31% drive train loss. If the drive train loss were only 15%, the flywheel hp figures would mean the 4-bbl Mustang Geezers car would be 227 hp, and Crosley's 180 flywheel hp.