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next gas - 179 miles Guess where?

Post #1 by tom954x4 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:13 pm

I was on my way home from a long trip in the RV, towing with my 2012 6.7 diesel. Sign says next gas 179 miles. I had no worries about making it, and in fact took a different route and went well over 400 miles between fill ups with plenty of fuel to spare.

Anyone care to guess where this sign is located? A wonderful place if you like long, lonely roads. (hint - lower 48)

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1995 F-150 XL, 300-6, 4x4, ex-cab, sb, 3.08 5-speed, 2 1/2 in. exhaust w/flowmaster 50, MSDignition failed with no warning, now out, canopy, 179,000 + miles. Gone but not forgotten 1965 F-100 240 3spd lwb "the green hornet"; 1960 F-250 4x4, 223 six, 4sp with wrap-around rear window, two-tone paint, overhead camper.
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Post #2 by bubba22349 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:24 pm

Looks like a California desert road! :nod:
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Post #3 by tom954x4 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:55 am

That a pretty good guess but its not California!
1995 F-150 XL, 300-6, 4x4, ex-cab, sb, 3.08 5-speed, 2 1/2 in. exhaust w/flowmaster 50, MSDignition failed with no warning, now out, canopy, 179,000 + miles. Gone but not forgotten 1965 F-100 240 3spd lwb "the green hornet"; 1960 F-250 4x4, 223 six, 4sp with wrap-around rear window, two-tone paint, overhead camper.
Tow vehicle: 2012 F-250 4x4 6.7 diesel XLT s/c lwb

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Post #4 by ludwig » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:07 am

I'm thinking Utah. northbound out of SLC or east out of Cedar City.

Then again, it could be the Oregon Outback. But I'm 80% in favor of Utah.
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Post #5 by tom954x4 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:59 pm

Nope! Wrong state. Try again.
1995 F-150 XL, 300-6, 4x4, ex-cab, sb, 3.08 5-speed, 2 1/2 in. exhaust w/flowmaster 50, MSDignition failed with no warning, now out, canopy, 179,000 + miles. Gone but not forgotten 1965 F-100 240 3spd lwb "the green hornet"; 1960 F-250 4x4, 223 six, 4sp with wrap-around rear window, two-tone paint, overhead camper.
Tow vehicle: 2012 F-250 4x4 6.7 diesel XLT s/c lwb

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Post #6 by 67Straightsix » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:47 pm

Could it be Hyw 50 in Nevada ?

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Post #7 by tom954x4 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:39 am

Highway 50 is a good guess, and Nevada is correct. Actually it is about 35 miles north of Winnemucca, where Nevada state route 140 intersects US 95. When you head west on 140 you have to go all the way to Lakeview Oregon, 179 miles, to refuel. On this particular trip I left 140 after about 80 miles at Denio NV and headed north on even more remote back roads to go to Frenchglen OR and west of Steens Mountain all the way to Burns, Oregon. Over 400 miles. The amazing part was I saw only 2 cars going the opposite direction in over 250 miles of driving (5 hours) in the late afternoon and evening that day. The NW corner of Nevada and southeast Oregon is virtually uninhabited. Depending on your mindset, either stunning beautiful desert country or extremely boring! :rolflmao:
1995 F-150 XL, 300-6, 4x4, ex-cab, sb, 3.08 5-speed, 2 1/2 in. exhaust w/flowmaster 50, MSDignition failed with no warning, now out, canopy, 179,000 + miles. Gone but not forgotten 1965 F-100 240 3spd lwb "the green hornet"; 1960 F-250 4x4, 223 six, 4sp with wrap-around rear window, two-tone paint, overhead camper.
Tow vehicle: 2012 F-250 4x4 6.7 diesel XLT s/c lwb

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Post #8 by ludwig » Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:01 am

Yup. Oregon Outback on the Nevada side.

You carry extra fuel?
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Post #9 by tom954x4 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:55 pm

No need for extra fuel. My '12 F-250 towing a 27 foot Airstream gets about 15 mpg at 55 mph, which is what I do on back roads. So I could fuel up in Battle Mtn NV and get to Burns OR with about 10 gallons to spare with a 38 gal. tank. F-250s with short beds come with a small fuel tank, about 26 gal or so, and many owners with the small tank who tow install an auxiliary tank in the bed. My '12 is a long bed (8 foot) with the larger 38 gal. tank.
1995 F-150 XL, 300-6, 4x4, ex-cab, sb, 3.08 5-speed, 2 1/2 in. exhaust w/flowmaster 50, MSDignition failed with no warning, now out, canopy, 179,000 + miles. Gone but not forgotten 1965 F-100 240 3spd lwb "the green hornet"; 1960 F-250 4x4, 223 six, 4sp with wrap-around rear window, two-tone paint, overhead camper.
Tow vehicle: 2012 F-250 4x4 6.7 diesel XLT s/c lwb

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Post #10 by ludwig » Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:07 pm

I had the long bed before with 38 gallons. Now have the 26 gallon with the short bed.

That is still a heck of a stretch. I'd think 10 gallons reads pretty close to E. I have the feeling you have done this before.
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Post #11 by tom954x4 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:33 pm

I do have quite a bit of experience, about 20,000 miles in 3 1/2 years all over the West Coast, Southwest and Rocky Mountain region. My rig gets very consistent fuel economy.

The thing I like the best about the '12 is that is a little overkill for the trailer weighing 7,000 lbs loaded, in breaking, power, and towing characteristics, as well as comfortable seats and interior. The engine braking in tow/haul mode makes 6 % grades pretty easy. The transmission downshifts to 3rd with engine at around 2,600 rpm at 60 or so and exhaust braking holds the truck steady at that speed for miles on end (think I-5 at Siskiyou Summit). It will cruise up the grades at any speed I want to go, but I tend to downshift to 5th and climb at 1600 rpm (peak torque) at 60 mph and let the Dodge guys pass me. My exhaust temps stay under 900 on the grades and I'm only at 10-12 lbs of boost so I have plenty of reserve power. I probably have only used over 200 of the 400 hp available on a couple of occasions and most of the time much less than that. I think horsepower is way overrated anyway . . .
1995 F-150 XL, 300-6, 4x4, ex-cab, sb, 3.08 5-speed, 2 1/2 in. exhaust w/flowmaster 50, MSDignition failed with no warning, now out, canopy, 179,000 + miles. Gone but not forgotten 1965 F-100 240 3spd lwb "the green hornet"; 1960 F-250 4x4, 223 six, 4sp with wrap-around rear window, two-tone paint, overhead camper.
Tow vehicle: 2012 F-250 4x4 6.7 diesel XLT s/c lwb

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Post #12 by ludwig » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:10 am

Those are really good numbers. Happy trails to you.
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Post #13 by CoupeBoy » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:52 pm

A guy with a Ford PowerStroke and an Airstream... Sounds like I might need to pick your brain.

This was the day I brought it home July 2015.
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In my free time, I've been working on restoring/repairing this pair.
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1971 Airstream Sovereign 31ft

I'd optimally get to similar MPG numbers with the old crew, although I don't think it will quite make it.

So far the truck has had the rear tank upgraded from 19g to 38g and the rear leaf springs have been upgraded to 2009 F250 (66" long) leaves with a shackle reversal, and a Class 5 receiver.
I've got 2004 F250 (x-code front leaves to be installed and a 5th wheel hitch)
And I found a guy locally that parts out SuperDuty trucks and he is supposed to call me next time he gets one with leather (Lariat/King Ranch/Harley)

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Post #14 by tom954x4 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:56 am

That is a really cool combination - vintage AS and the '75 crew (rare, I would say).
I don't know much about the 400 engine but I am sure it will have plenty of pulling power.
I think a weight distributing hitch might be a good addition for towing a 31 footer, reduces sway a lot.
Hit me up if you have any questions about my rig.
1995 F-150 XL, 300-6, 4x4, ex-cab, sb, 3.08 5-speed, 2 1/2 in. exhaust w/flowmaster 50, MSDignition failed with no warning, now out, canopy, 179,000 + miles. Gone but not forgotten 1965 F-100 240 3spd lwb "the green hornet"; 1960 F-250 4x4, 223 six, 4sp with wrap-around rear window, two-tone paint, overhead camper.
Tow vehicle: 2012 F-250 4x4 6.7 diesel XLT s/c lwb

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Post #15 by CoupeBoy » Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:25 am

I was not looking for an AS when I found this one.
The Crew Cab I had been searching for quite a while.
The 400 may or may not be a decent engine, but it lived a short lifespan only from 1972-1982, and from what I've read they are supposed to be good low RPM torque motors, but also they have a reputation for being sensitive to timing. And Ford never sold one with a 4bbl. Short term, I have an Edelbrock S.P.2.P., an Edelbrock 1406 with electric choke, and a set of Hooker headers.

Long term, I hope to change it out to a fuel injected motor, either a NA 7.5 (460) or a 4.9 with a turbo, either way I am also searching for an overdrive transmission either an E4od or a ZF5 speed.
Whichever I find will be acceptable, the E4OD will be a nice/easy automatic for leisurely cruising, but the ZF will help offset the lack of a compression brake for long downhill grades.

For the trailer, I need to replace the axles, when I order them I'll go with 32° down (stock is 23° down), and I am thinking about seeing if I can order them with 8x6.5" lug pattern so I can share tires/rims between the truck and trailer (235/80R16)
The extra degrees of down should net me a little more 'lift' on the trailer, I am trying to get the trailer frame up higher on the same plane as the truck frame. Dexter, who makes the replacement axles, also has a 1.75" lift kit bracket set that can raise it up a little more. I may lower the truck a little instead of raising the trailer, time will tell. The other thing I am looking into for the trailer is a product called "Dexter Sway Control", which acts as electronic stability control that can do differential braking on the trailer to reduce sway, in addition to a weight distribution hitch.

The idea of the virtual point hitches is interesting also
Something like a
Hensley Hitch

But I have read some reports that with a VPI type hitch there can be an uneasy over camber situation with the hitch when you use a truck that has compression braking or tow/haul mode where they brakes are not used, the hitch can rotate off center and com to an abrupt stop, effectively pushing the rear of the truck off to a side in cornering scenarios.

Any idea how much your rig weighs? (empty or loaded)
I haven't scaled the '75 F250 Crew Cab
Right now the Airstream is stripped of all interior walls and flooring, and it tips the scale at 3500, the original specifications say it should weigh 4900lbs when fully loaded with factory equipment only, not personal stuff or water.
The 2005 F250 Crew Cab with 6.0 PSD weighs an even 8000lbs.

Reading information on the internet is easy, implementing changes is easy, the biggest thing for me is the unknown.
Growing up my family never had any camp trailers, the only trailers I use now are car trailers.
I have no idea what to expect.
I've never towed a trailer long distance.
I've never parked one in a campground.
I'm not sure if people usually carry fresh water in the trailer or in the tow vehicle then transfer it to the camper.
I will also be looking for suggestions for wheel blocks/lift as well as jack pads to get the trailer leveled when parked.
Which brings up another question, are guys using standard bubble levels to get "level" when parking or is there a better system?

Mostly just a lot of "newbie" stuff like if
Should add any exterior lights or speakers?
Do you wish you had an exterior shower? (for washing feet, I have 2 small kids ages 6 and 8)
What kind of batteries are you using?

I could prattle for a lot longer, but you get the jist, I'm a new AS owner with zero experience. I have a lot of reading and learning to do.

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Post #16 by tom954x4 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:10 pm

My trailer weighs around 7,000 lbs loaded for a long trip, with full water tank (40 gals). My truck, with two people aboard, full tank of fuel, tonneau cover and stuff in the bed weighs about 8,500 lbs. So I am usually somewhere between 15 and 16 K lbs.


I have no idea what to expect. - the actual towing will be very similar to your car trailers except the higher profile makes it more susceptible to sway in cross winds and passing semis. You need to plan your trailer weight distribution (especially tankage) to keep adequate tongue weight, about 15 percent of the total trailer weight.
I've never towed a trailer long distance. No sweat, just plan your itinerary so that you don't run into "next gas 179 miles" signs with 1/4 tank left !
I've never parked one in a campground. Look for "pull through" sites, and if you have to back in, just take your time and scope out the distances before you start. My wife helps me. I like to previous sites on Google Earth before I get there to see what I'm going to be in for.
I'm not sure if people usually carry fresh water in the trailer or in the tow vehicle then transfer it to the camper. Your trailer must have a fresh water tank (usually around 40 gallons) and a domestic water system with pump and plumbing from tank to kitchen sinks, bathroom sink, toilet and shower. We carry an extra few gallons in plastic jugs too in the truck bed.
Speaking of tanks, you need a grey water tank and a black water tank. A flush inlet for hose to the black tank is highly, highly recommended. Use it liberally when dumping!

I will also be looking for suggestions for wheel blocks/lift as well as jack pads to get the trailer leveled when parked. pick up a set of the pink plastic one foot square one inch high blocks at your local RV dealer or Walmart or order on line. I have never needed to use more than four of them at a time.

Which brings up another question, are guys using standard bubble levels to get "level" when parking or is there a better system?
My hitch jack has a bubble on top to give you an indication of levelness. You can also put one on the dining table and set it fore and aft and side to side to see if you are close to level. bring the trailer to level with blocks. Do not use "stabilizer" pads which lower when you are camped to level the trailer. They are not made for that.
Mostly just a lot of "newbie" stuff like if
Should add any exterior lights or speakers? A light above the door is very useful.
Do you wish you had an exterior shower? (for washing feet, I have 2 small kids ages 6 and 8) Very useful to keep dirt and sand from the interior of the trailer, especially with kids. Our trailer has a ridiculous woven floor material that catches dirt like no tomorrow so we always take our shoes off inside and wear slippers.
What kind of batteries are you using? Two regular size liquid acid deep cycle batteries, INTERSTATE brand. We do not have a generator, and always camp with shore power available. If we were to dry camp a Honda 2000 watt gas generator would be enough for us, but it would not power AC, and all the household appliances at the same time. Consider your AC needs and get a suitable generator if you are going to be "off the grid."

There are some good Airstream forums where folks discuss their restoration and rebuilds of vintage trailers, and a magazine published by the company which has good articles on the ins and outs of restorations. Check those out too.

The Equalizer hitch I have is completely sufficient to give good towing characteristics. This is what I would recommend for the 31 footer you have.
1995 F-150 XL, 300-6, 4x4, ex-cab, sb, 3.08 5-speed, 2 1/2 in. exhaust w/flowmaster 50, MSDignition failed with no warning, now out, canopy, 179,000 + miles. Gone but not forgotten 1965 F-100 240 3spd lwb "the green hornet"; 1960 F-250 4x4, 223 six, 4sp with wrap-around rear window, two-tone paint, overhead camper.
Tow vehicle: 2012 F-250 4x4 6.7 diesel XLT s/c lwb

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