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Post #1 by MPGmustang » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:14 pm

Change is good... So I've been off with the new family for a bit, Mustang sold and 66 i6 bronco... And 75 bronco... Family first right?

My question is out there... I'm sure it's searchable but it's been a while and I forget...

What larger family vehicles are out there that had a stock inline 6 cylinder engine? I'm hoping for a 4wd that can sit 4-5 and 2 dogs... A early bronco is a tad too small... Any other options?

I want to build this like it should, but have to find the right pig-iron for the task
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Re: 4wd 250/200 family vehicle

Post #2 by bubba22349 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:55 pm

:beer: good to see you back. The Third, Fourth, and Fifth Gen Bronco's are quite a bit bigger with lots of room and could be had stock with the 300 / 4.9 Big Inline Six, plus 4x4. You could also use the factory F150 pickup parts to bolt in a 300 six into the Second Gen Bronco 1978 & 1979 chassis that are the same bigger size too. So anything from 1978 to 1996 could use the big six plus all those Big Broncos share many of the same parts with the F150 pickups. Good luck :nod:
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Post #3 by xctasy » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:02 am

Trail Blazer
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A potentially brilliant engine struck in a heavy body. Like the deceased Ford Falcon in line DOHC six, its a 4.08" bore spacing engine (no, 4.045", actulally), so its quite compact. Performance varies a lot depending on what GM body you are draggin around.

and the FJ xx series LandCruiser. Typical Crazy Azz Japanese Son of a biatches...

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Thu Mar 31, 2016 "Aluminum Head for a 275 cubic inch engine:"

User:-AKxplorer

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I hate all Multi Valve OHC Toyotas, but if you understand how to work the "Piltaties and Ship in a bottle" Tojo service issues and the typically suspect freekin hard to work on Nippon Clipon electrical wiring, the FJ is a fantastic platform. Big ass 4.40" bore centers just like the old Chevy Stovebolt based 3.6 and 4.2's, its got torque for an African assult, but also great dobs or power and a bulletproof transmission system.

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and

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AKxplorer wrote:Hello from Alaska folks,
First post here. I've owned, driven, and worked on mostly Toyota Landcruisers. My admiration for these rigs are for alot of the same reasons this forum exists: inline six engines. I don't like V8 engines, I never will. I haul firewood, snowmachines, boats, moose meat, lumber, salmon, 700lbs worth of Alaskan Malamutes (my dog team), etc. I do this on rough roads with steep grades. I don't like the lack of low-down torque from V8's. I also don't like carbs or diesel engines when trying to get a vehicle to start at 40-50 below zero. Growing up in Northern Maine, my father always had a slant-6 dodge, and my mother drove a chevy truck with the I-6 with 3 speed on the column. My grandfather had an older Ford truck with a 300. We're not brand-biased people.

My experience revolves mostly around the 4.2 liter 2f engines, the 4.0 liter 3fe engine (EFI), the 1hd-t 4.2 liter turbo diesel, the 4.0 liter 12ht turbo diesel, and the 4.5 liter 1fz-fe engine. A friend and I also made a hybrid engine: we took the bigger 4.2 liter, and bolted the multi port efi and head from the newer 4.0 liter for a "stroker" engine. This thing pulled 200 hp and 280 torque. You could climb steep grades below 2000 rpms. We used a delta reground torque cam. The engine configuration on these older Landcruisers (2f and 3fe) was similar to the big ford engine: push rods, gear driven timing, 12 valves, exhaust and intake on one side of the head.

My current project vehicles are a 1996 LX 450 and a 1996 FZJ80 Landcruiser (same vehicles). On the lexus with the 4.5 liter, 24 valve DOHC inline six, I have gone with a full header exhaust using a dynomax muffler and a vibrant resonator. The head is at the shop getting completely rebuilt and shaved 10 thousandths. This will boost the compression ratio from 9.0:1 to 9.4:1. A conservative estimate will put this engine at 240 hp and 305 torque. Both these rigs have full floating rear axles, front solid axles, f/r disc brakes, multi link coil over suspension f/r. For obvious reasons, I really admire the low grunt of this engine, as well as the off road prowess of the vehicle.

Anyhow,
I've been driving around in a 5 speed manual hj-61 lancruiser from Japan. It took me an entire day to get used to shifting a manual transmission from the right-hand side of the vehicle. The 4.0 liter turbo diesel I-6 is really nice. We never got the 5 speed or the inline six turbo diesel in the United States. I don't like diesel engines for the lack of a cold start without assistance (block heaters), but I like what this engine does. It pulls so flippin hard from 1500 rpms-to 2000 rpms. You can make shifts at 1000 rpm's and the engine feels good there too (very little turbo spool though).

Since the 60 Series landcruisers have such long hoods and cavernous engine-bay space, I want to throw a 300 inline ford and 5 speed manual in an older FJ 60 Landcruiser. I don't like all the vacuum actuated emissions components all over the darn 2f engine, and I don't like the 4 speed manual. I'd prefer to go EFI conversion, and I'd prefer a ford five speed. I can make engine mounts, and fabricate new cross members for the bolt pattern of the ford manual tranny. Thanks for reading this rant! Now for the questions:

1. Donor trucks are everywhere, I would prefer EFI, but will go Carb if needed. I want that nice multi-port EFI intake plenum with the long runners and shorty headers. Both of those are a recipe for good low down power. Can I yank all the ford management off the engine, and just use a megasquirt system?

2. We ladcruiser guys really like the delta torque cam regrind with a shaved head, as it allows the I-6's to do what they like to do (make torque). Is there torque specific cams for the 300 Ford?

3. I have a great machine shop that is willing to polish, port, and shave a ford head. They' also install larger valves. They give me great deals. Keep in mind, these guys are ford guys at the machine shop. With this head work done by compentent ford guys, how much power can I guesstimate with a good cam?

4. Does the megasquirt system use a cold-start injector? I don't want to be stranded at 40 below after coming off some trail on the side of the road. I want reliability. If this system isn't reliable, I'll just go through the hassle of getting a carbed engine to start at 40-50 below zero.

5. Which 5-speed manual tranny is best?

6. Will the clifford duel carb set-up do OK in 4wd application? Will it sputter or stall on off camber trails?




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Re: 4wd 250/200 family vehicle

Post #4 by CoupeBoy » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:07 pm

I have the same predicament (fewer dogs)
Me, wife, 2 kids. My wife made the request that she can drive around topless, which ruled out any "newer" Bronco or Blazer.
That narrowed my available list to Scouts (80/800/II), First gen Blazers ('67-72), and Early Broncos
I still want an early Bronco, but those are hard to find in this area.

So I picked up this lot, none of these have i6's, but all could have one swapped in.
1978 Scout II Rallye (brown/red)
1979 Scout II (drivetrain donor)
1975 F250 Crew Cab 4x4

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International also made the Traveller (available with 3 rows of seating), the Terra (half cab), and the Travelall.
AMC makes the "mid sized" 4dr Sedans and Wagons (Dad has about half a dozen of these with 258/auto)

You know, Ford also made these things called "Station Wagons" if you don't need 4wd.
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Post #5 by MPGmustang » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:12 pm

funny, a blazer... actually my family and I really like the 99 and 97 toyota 4runners that we have... but it's a bent 6... not really what I want to tinker on... yeah it's a great engine, and I'll add a supercharger to it... but I'm thinking of a project vehicle.

the problem here in the USA is we can't put a 78 i6 250ci in a 99 vehicle... I could get a 96 4runner and run a 300 froma 96 bronco, but no room in the engine bay for that... I could go with a supra 05 i6 with factory twin turbo's... but I'm really wanting the i6 ford 250...


my wife loves the trucks with bubble fenders, I'm thinking of a 250ci c4 and dana 20 in a early SUV with bubble fenders... any ideas? I ran a Granada pass her and she sneered at the 'ugly' car...



I want 4wd, it's going to be a camping rig/show and it would just be fun...

IIRC, there was a 4wd ford car, what if I converted a wagon to 4wd, lifted a little would be amazing.
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Post #6 by CoupeBoy » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:30 pm

There are a couple guys on the Facebook group "Ford Falcon Owners Group" that are putting Rancheros onto Explorer frames.

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Post #7 by MPGmustang » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:52 pm

I was thinking the same thing, I would like the older body placed on a semi-newer frame... what body's are out there with front+rear bubble fenders?
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Post #8 by Econoline » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:52 pm

I still love this idea:

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Post #9 by B RON CO » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:10 pm

Hi, 80s and 90s Bronco's and Econoline. You might find a low mileage camper van. Good luck
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4wd straight 6 powered family vehicle

Post #10 by chad » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:27 pm

"...What larger family vehicles are out there that had a stock inline 6 cylinder engine? I'm hoping for a 4wd that can sit 4-5 and 2 dogs... A early bronco is a tad too small... Any other options?…"
There's a 54!t load of em! World went wild on either side of the minivan (B4 and after THAT craze hit). Still kinda is
But
not so many w/the straight six. Pick any SUV U can swap the 6 motor of choice inta.
Don't 4get - there's a few non-ford ( & ford ) straight 6s from the '20s - current…

Did the ford explorer (that 4 door p/u w/the lill p/u bed in back) have the last of the 4.9s?
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Post #11 by xctasy » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:27 am

I think your going back the track to a wide ratio C4 conversion, and a 5000 pound long wheelbase truck.

/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73011&p=561701#p561701
bubba22349 wrote::hmmm: One option that can be done on the C4's is to install a low gear set then you can use a taller rear gear it was called the "Poor Mans Over Drive".



I really do think a nice chat and google session sension with pictures with your beloved is the answer.


Phil Vmood, a pivotal Holden designer from Australia, said it best..."Space [Out] - Phillip Zmood (Holden) "

"over 50% of purchases are female based. In the old days we could illicit male sales"


and 80% female in interior design and now managment for purchase decisions..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjBoPC5fDIU


I did that, and my 1998 Explorer was the result. Such a faithfull, well engineered truck.



See vidoes

http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/xecut ... 2.mp4.html

http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/xecut ... 6.mp4.html

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After the normall crash assessment of SUV's

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And my own experience with smashes

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Including one near roll over up-the bank to avoid a WRECKED Boss 260 Falcon XR8 excursion in a hail storm in the RAV4 with my son driving


See video

http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/xecut ... 9.mp4.html

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I deflared it,

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and was planning on a simple Jag IRS rear axle swap to avoid the dreaded re-coil roller over all live axle X-over and SUV based trucks suffer.


You need ABS, an air bag, and the biggest space and an IRS, a wide ratio C4, and a nice 200 or 250.


A Jag IRS is a US made Dana diff, first used in the foreign Jaguar, but using the C2 Corvette IRS center

IMHO, find a body type you like, and retro fit the cheapest and best platform for the price, the Explorer. Time to do a custom....
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FAZER 6V0 3x2-BBL Holley 188 HP 3.3L/200 I-6 or 235 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
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Post #12 by xctasy » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:55 am

This is basically a Jurasic Park Dinosaur taming vehicle excercise.


4 by 4's can and do fall over in an accident. You need to do a full think about how you protect some one when its rolled over.


Unless your young uns and true love have a shoulder harnesses and some kind of air bag protection, a plexigalss rood will take out your eye balls. I've got friends who have seen fisrt hand what a sunroof does in a four wheel drive when it partailly or fully rolls

Ideas like this

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P071ZtRo1zk

are very cool, but you ned to think together and scope what you want. This is feedstock for finding what you really really want.

What you really, really want is a ziggy zig ahhh, but what is a ZZA for your family?


An "Overlander" station wagon underpined with a modern Dana axled 4X4 chassis was how Aussies modified there Holden Kingswood, Commodore and Falcon station wagons.


Over her, our later Falcons had the nose shortened 1" via a 1" wheelbase crop from the A pller to front wheels.

You find an old gutte but still good 115" wheelbase Falcon station wagon wreck you like and you can easily whack under it a 112.7" Explprer wheelbase chassius

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See "best overall 4wding photos ever!!"

http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewt ... &p=1429348

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Ladies normally don't like wagons with long hoods, so the thing that will always please is a short tail, short hood crossover

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Think on it, and then do. Don't be afraid to customise. The cost of getting a vehicle wrong is unhappiness. The delight of getting it right is Satsifaction.

I have no pictures, but my God parents brother has the most awesome 4X4, A 109" wheelbase Series II Land Rover with 390 FE V8 on Propane with C6 gearbox, low range and an 80 series coil srping Land Cruiser chassis under it.


It drives upside down on propane.


Like a reliable homebuilt Lamborghini LM 002.

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It wasn't as ugly as this 1987 Glenfrome Facet...http://hooniverse.com/2013/04/11/found- ... ever-made/
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XEC Ltd ICBE's Inter Continental Ballistic Engines-
FAZER 6Bi (M112 & EEC5) or FAZER 6Ti (GT3582 & EEC5) 425 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
FAZER 6V0 3x2-BBL Holley 188 HP 3.3L/200 I-6 or 235 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
X-Flow Engine Components Ltd http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10

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Post #13 by xctasy » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:51 am

xctasy wrote:I smell Radical Custom comming on....

Que Lou...

83zephyr4.6 (snake charmer)...from Mambo No.5...A little bit of Monocoque on the side.

http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread.php?170832-The-Phoenix/page5


mike1157 gave the advice in #134 on Page 6.


You Can Do It!






Fox Body Fairmont to LTD station wagon

What can you do with them?

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/0 ... emons-car/

4EyedTurd's http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread. ... -LTD-Wagon

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with Mustang or Mercury Capri nose clip and there are Maiyer fender blister kits as well,

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Fox frames are The most versitile platforms ever....Ford designed it to be 100.4 to 108.4" in wheel base in 100.4/104.3/105.5/108.4 steps.


Widths started off 66.9", but ended up well over 72" with the 1980 T bird, Cougar XR7 and then the wide track Linclon Mark Continenal and LSC's, then the Fox 4 based SN95 took the tacks out further. SVO's had Lincoln Mark Compact 58" tracks, up 2" on the stock base 79-93 non SVO Mustangs.


In Australia, they used 1966 Fairlane style body stretches with the wagons extended 5" at the rear by flitching up the rear door to wheel arch area.

It looked great in 1966,

but less good in the square XD-XF era,

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and even less so in the EA-EF and AU to BA era.

But that means you can grab a Fox station wagon, and cut it open to add 5" to the wheel base so a 112.7" Explorer chassis will slip underneath.


The Fox chassis can have a Mustang, Mercury Capri, XR7 Cougar or Tbird nose fitted on to it. And there are Maiyer flare kits to integrate the boxy fox sedans and wagon bodies into the aftermarket Fox Mustang kits.


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I'd personally find a junked Fairmont Wagon, extend it to 110.5" wheel base by a 5" clip XD Falcon wagon style, and the Rear Maiyer fender blisters could be made to almost fair into and clear the rear door. Two Roof sections can be flitched and welded in.

For the front, the stock early Fairmont Zephyr box nose would work fine, and be ultra short, and would blend in with the Maiyer front clip too.
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FAZER 6V0 3x2-BBL Holley 188 HP 3.3L/200 I-6 or 235 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
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Re: 4wd 250/200 family vehicle

Post #14 by autoX65 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:37 pm

how about the nissan or infinity q45. the bigger suv if you find one that needs work. they can be had for like 8k dollar range plus or minus and obviously same goes for the 4 runner 96 deal in the us. i think pre 76 for anything california emissions. but those extended scouts are cool.

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4wd 3L / 4L family vehicle

Post #15 by chad » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:40 pm

"...extended scouts are cool…"
"Travelers"? by name? Or U mean the Scout II (the 80 & 800s were shorter - 1st 'Scouts')

G R E A T wagons X! I aint had anything but em (sept the bronk acourse) since early 80s. Those links showed some fine ones! Specially liked the one pullin da boat above. What is it (only in OZ/Japan/etc?)? Some 1 put that body on a 4WD chassy?

U wanna straight 6 - the bigger j**ps were there for 40 yrs (same displacement U seek - 4.0/250).
Even fancy pance ones for Richie Rich if the "Grand Cherokee" is chosen.4WD NOT AWD.
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I'm thinkin this thread 'ill B placed over in "Saloon" /OR/ "Gasoline Alley" as is more proper'n correct like.
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Post #16 by xctasy » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:49 pm

chad wrote:"...extended scouts are cool…"
"Travelers"? by name? Or U mean the Scout II (the 80 & 800s were shorter - 1st 'Scouts')

G R E A T wagons X! I aint had anything but em (sept the bronk acourse) since early 80s. Those links showed some fine ones! Specially liked the one pullin da boat above. What is it (only in OZ/Japan/etc?)? Some 1 put that body on a 4WD chassy?

U wanna straight 6 - the bigger j**ps were there for 40 yrs (same displacement U seek - 4.0/250).
Even fancy pance ones for Richie Rich if the "Grand Cherokee" is chosen.4WD NOT AWD.
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Ford six introduced me to "X" & "powerband" - I can spend a day'n a half lookin thru their 54!t when they put up a post.

I'm thinkin this thread 'ill B placed over in "Saloon" /OR/ "Gasoline Alley" as is more proper'n correct like.



The Chicken Tax has prevented the US getting all the Ford and GM offerings from over the world. You've had Isuzu KB20 / 25 series Faster based Chevy Luv's,

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but not these:-

http://autoweek.com/article/classic-car ... -never-got


Of course, Autoweek is entirely ignorant of the toughest little FORD Taiwan/Philipino truck ever made, the Pinto/Escort engined Fiera from 1972-1984

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCFCqbl8_bo

0:24 Did he say 15 or 150 passengers?

The Holden Overlander 4×4. A Dana live beam axled conversion to the ex US Pontiac engineer George Roberts F car based Holden pickups and station wagons

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-holde ... 1519727665

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Only 120 Holden Overlanders were built by Arthur Hayward, 80 of which were produced at his VEM factory from 1977 to 1980. These comprised 20 utes (HJ/HX/HZ including his HJ prototype), 30 panel vans (HJ/HX/HZ), 24 station wagons (HZ only) and only six One Tonners (HZ only).


Launceston-based Vehicle Engineering and Modifications built the Holden HJ-HZ-based Overlander 4WD models. Between 1976-89, 120 examples were built, using Holden mechanicals and a Dana transfer case and front and rear off- road axles, wheels and tyres and suspension. The conversion was created in conjunction with Holden, and could be had in either wagon, ute, or one-tonne ute body styles.


Ford XY Falcon 4X4 Ute (Utility pickup) A Dana 20 live beam axled conversion to the ex US Falcon/Fairlane X shell based Aussie Falcons. 5 degree slanted engine to clear the Spicer (read Jeep Dana) transfer case.

http://www.truckjungle.com/2012/08/18/a ... n-4x4-ute/

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Re: 4wd 250/200 family vehicle

Post #17 by chad » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:25 am

Thassa Ford Jitney!
/OR/
a Holden pick up/waggy/ute!
yer killin me!'n it's bed time.
BTW: luv da maroon one U got in da big pic.!
Y's americker gotta have all da duds?
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Post #18 by xctasy » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:10 am

Holden Monaro HX LE Coupe color, MAROON 5 (Liter)

USA's Leo Pruneau designed the package, but after USA's George Roberts did the lame understeering chassis, it was the brilliant Aussie born Russian Phil Zmood who did the basics, with another guy. It was sooo tough, but a cynical use of outmoded 8 track stereo's and Firebird plastic wheel fittings. It wasn't a patch on a Firebird Trans AM 455, but looked hot.

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The car was F body influenced, with the firewall and frame straight Pontiac/Chevy Nova, but with the Bishops Kirby power steering front mounted...to actentuate the understeer. George Roberts believed, correctly, that understeer saved lives. The HQ and HX were just not throttle responsive like the HK, HT and HG. But it was also, as motoring writer Dr John Wright said so elequently in 1983, "the lamest Holden ever". Impact harshness was soaked up by a far heavier than needed, yet still fragile chassis subframe, yet it had the bet steering gear and potential for good handing. When the Germn Peter Hanenberger revised all Holdens from 1977 to 1979 with Radial Tuned Suspension, he ket the spring rates, and just changed the suspension geometry and damper settings, and these cars were world beaters.


The WB Stateman and Kingswod Utes and One Tonner pickups languished around till 1985, and when belded with the 71-77 two door, there isn't a better looking coupe around.

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But I'm a Ford guy, and I like to see 'em blown...

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UP....

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Anyway, back on track...


The idea on four wheel driving an intermediate or compact four door wagon is that you can use the fullframe from an Explorer (or whatever) with the unibody to make an exceptionally strong off roader.

Remember though, what lookes small as a compact unibody looms large as a body lifted full chassis offroader.

The crossover works best in the AMC style with a shorter hood and a minimal overhang a$$.

The Concorde/Eagle/SX4 lesson thing again. "As the car goes up a foot, you have to take a foot off in rear over hang and half a foot in the nose, or it goes out of all propotion".

The Highlander/Kluger based on the narrow body Camry had its but truncated and abreviated the nose and brought back the rear overhang to minimal length to tick all the right boxes for a lifted compact to become a soft roader...


No F150 nose, no Buick Bonnville A$$. "As the car goes up a foot, you have to take a foot off in rear over hang and half a foot in the nose, or it goes out of all propotion".


Imagine what a AMC Matradore S/W would have looked like as a jacked up all wheel drive

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Re: 4wd 250/200 family vehicle

Post #19 by chad » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:57 am

all good stuff (4 me).
but the yellow pullin the boat'n the one below it (silver?)
R about as high as I'd wanna go.
All about personal taste (& aerodynamics) just like the 'burble'
of ur fav exhaust.
Thanks for the 'frnt & rear departure angles' info.

EDIT:
here's 1 4 ya -

http://barnfinds.com/four-door-bronco-what-the-heck/

check out the others below it in the extra links.
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Post #20 by xctasy » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:51 pm

Yep, the 4x4 always fall over at some stage

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Balance is the key!



Arthur Hayward...

He chose the then latest model HJ Holden ute, but not only because it was available with a 5.0 litre (308 cid) V8 engine and Turbo 400 automatic transmission.

A critical consideration was also that the HJ ute and panel van (and the longer wheelbase One Tonner) featured a traditional body-on-frame construction.

The 4×4 conversion resulted in a total body lift of only 3.5", but with the much larger wheels and tyres and big fiberglass flares it appeared to be much higher than that.


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Sandman...


or Ute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-l6Q4JwZrI

Radio Controlled may be more your budget...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LnKsD5jKG8


other

Heavy
Old
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Excitens
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Post #21 by MPGmustang » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:00 am

to be honest I was thinking bubble fenders like the 36 chevy trucks... my wife loves that style of fenders...

well, I know it's on the back burner, and only if I do something about it... looks like I'm gonna have to practive welding before she allows me to take on such a project... lol....


in all honesty the only one that I liked was the 4 door early bronco in this thread, it's popped up before and I mentioned it on other threads... it's gonna need a 300i6 tho...

I moved this topic to gasoline alley...
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Post #22 by xctasy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:45 am

All well and good.

The 36

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I just put the 27 incher Pirelli Scorpions and 16 X 7 wheels from the wifes RAV4 on the Stagea RS4, just like a 1-1/4" frame lift. Basically, I need a 67" wide car like a deflared Explorer, Mustang or RAV4 or RS4 to cope with my inspections on our 66 feet boundary to boundary two lane black top roads. Before the Japanese started widening the Maximas, Galant Sigmas and Coronas in 1992 to become Q45's, Diamantes and Camry's and Avalons, the American stuff was trim, taut and terrific. Even the 66 to 96 Broncos and Effs

My beloved loves the old Nigh Crome Nee San, but just like a Mopar, it has serious rust issues.

I guess you are aware of the issues. I think an Early Bronc is for you. It just doesn't matter even if your belted in and driving clean, a torsion bar IFS and live axle 4 x 4 even with air bags is still gonna jounce, pounce and bounce,

it don't matter if your Left Eye Lopes or

the late "John Rock" Johnstone Explorer Sport Trac 4x4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0-FfUEinFI
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from the Explorer Forum, (that's the truck I want!)

you just do everything you can to avoid bump steer at the front when wheelin your fam, and don't be affraid to do a frame clip to get IRS.

You can do an evasive move in a big a$$ offroader, but your better off with a multi link suspension like the Ford Territory and Nissan Skyline or Stagea. Those things are just the best. Problem is, the Stagea aint no offroader and lookes just crap lifted...the chassis is exceptional. but they are like R33 Skylines, the ugly sister of the hansome R32, and blatant R34'S
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Post #23 by MPGmustang » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:14 am

currently I'm enjoying the 4runner as my offroad/family/DD vehicle, just needs a supercharger :lol:

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it's build thread is here... LINK

I still have a desire to build an alum head 250ci with AOD and dana20... have a 4bbl TBI setup from atomic or fast but limited to 400cfm via a plate

but it's the chassis that it goes into I'm going to really have to hunker down on and figure what it'll be... I'm leaning hard at the early bronco stretch if I can pull it off.
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Post #24 by chad » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:01 pm

chad wrote:I'm thinkin this thread 'ill B placed over in "Saloon" /OR/ "Gasoline Alley" as is more proper'n correct like.

yeah, Gas Alley, dat's da name -
cuza all the hot air blowin round
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Still like the Kingwood
(bring back the 70s?)

Surprised U don't like the toyota or nissian in ur pic.

There's a guy in Colarodie makes an EB inta a 4 door.
There's info from 2003 in my archive (different puter I think)
I handed out a few mo. back but the recipient never
thanked me or got back on his research.
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Post #25 by xctasy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:33 pm

chad wrote:.....
Still like the Kingwood
(bring back the 70s?)

Surprised U don't like the toyota or nissian in ur pic......



Nissans, outstandingly good BMW on the cheap Engine and suspension design

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, but often ugly execution,

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and even uglier, Mopar Volare style rust.


Any so called Rustang 1978 to 1993 Fox, doesn't rust like my Nissan does...

I gotta hand it to Nissan

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I'm with MPG...I've driven all the Tojo X over, SUV, and live axle 2 and 4wds since a kid working Utility Power in Alexandra. SWB 88" LandRovers with Holden sixes got replaced with 1983 Toyota HiLuxes, Surfs and 4 Runners, and Ford Couriers as well as Falcon Utes and Station Wagons.


If Ford USA continued with the globisation of the Sport Track or original Ranger with IRS instead of the front drive based overlty wide crud we have to deal with now, everyone would be using them. They pulled back from 2001 to 2003 because foreigners like us bought Lexus RX300'S from March 1998, and Toyota Harrier grey imports. All compact short nose, no a$$ highbodies without low range.

Ford was stuck with New Edge hate, and a lack of love for spartan Taurus, Falcons and the Rangerand Explorer should have just had an IRS and basic coil spring IFS update and continuation....instead, they created the orphan 2001 to 2008 Explorer platform. Coral Shelby, General Motors and Hiedts have said for years...IRS is safe and the next natural step for safety, my averted rollover pictures in the Toyota prove it.


Ford is the Saviour of built down to a price engineering, not Toyota and certainly not Nissan. They continue to screw up when the next facelift of every sucessful line occured. What Toyota did to the RAV4, Celica is henous, and what Nissan did to the R32 Skyline with the R33,R34, and then V6 RV35, CV35, V36, CV36, J50 is a traversty. Like slaughtering a captive Leopard breading program by breading it with a donky.

I guess the Sport Trac pickup Explorer/FX4 Ranger was the begining of an incursion into the F150 sales, and not where Ford wanted to head, so they axed it. Bitchinest little truck around, like a Jeep XJ with a chassis. In fact, its where Lew Bandt's half breed "ute" and the model called a "coupe utility" released in 1934 was, a car you could give to SWMBO to drive to the worship center, the store, and then feed out the pigs. Its what a Model T used to do.

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Anything US based will sell its tosh off in Australia

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The so gutsy SOHC Cologne V6 was a servere nightmare in the 4x4's; A nice alloy OHV V8 of 221 cubes, like the first 1960'S GM V8's and Ford would have eaten any Tojo....instead Chevy copied the Windsor 302 and 351 as a midlands 4.8, 5.3, 5.74, 6.0 to 7 liter alloy or iron Gen III SBC. Its an alloy Ford engine on 4.4" bore spacings.



MPGmustang wrote:currently I'm enjoying the 4runner as my offroad/family/DD vehicle, just needs a supercharger :lol:

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it's build thread is here... LINK

I still have a desire to build an alum head 250ci with AOD and dana20... have a 4bbl TBI setup from atomic or fast but limited to 400cfm via a plate

but it's the chassis that it goes into I'm going to really have to hunker down on and figure what it'll be... I'm leaning hard at the early bronco stretch if I can pull it off.



Yeah, and I6,

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And an IRS.

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Or that classic T series Hemi hicup, the

4VEA 3.4 Liter carburetted VG3
4VEU 3.4 Liter EFI VG3
5VEU 4 Liter EFI (4V manifolds and dizzy fit) VG4

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http://dazecars.com/dazed/JaguarIRS1.html

What you have is nice.

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An Independent Rear Suspension 4 Runners is what Ford would make, and they'd revolutionise with the Territory/Falcon Control Blade IRS. But Ford still worry about how something like that would mortaly ruin the F truck formula. But the US built coil over shock Dana 44 Jag, Cobra and Corvette IRS was what Ford was gonna run in the 65 Mustang as an option. It was reworked by one of Fords German suspension engineer and pattented by Ford in 1961 for use in the GT and V8 option cars. So IRS is Yanky as Apple Pie!


My WC34 has Territory style IFS and IRS, although the Nissan is more multi link IRS in the traditions of the Z car.

Its got a lot of space and design limitations for an added set of big wheels,


IFS short arm long spindle converted McPherson strut here

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IRS Multi link McPherson strut that slept with Semi traling arm

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but I've gotten it fitted with 235/60 16's on 7" rims, and my goodness, a 27" tire transforms the car. Its got the big, well tied down, bump crushing feeling of a Jag XJ or perhaps a 400 Ferrari. Those stock 24.5" wheels just make a Stagea or Skyline an ugly cost cutting car. Like BMW's Chris Bangle is peputed to have said..."Guys love big round things and are prepared to pay extra to get there hands on them!"

Independent suspension has issues (on and off throttle Hummer style rocking from drive line backlash and driveshaft whiplash is accentuated, there are grounding issues, and of course, cost), but Ford Australia and Nissan have proven that they can be built down to a price. The advent of the 2001 New Generation Skyline Nissan systematically ruined its IRS with an alloy cradle and V6...the line has never recovered. Control Blade IRS is the next big thing, and Ford OZ was offroading with it in 2003. Towing with a pre alloy cradel Nissan IRS is just great. The alloy IRS is a safety nightmare.



Thoughtless Goshen cost cutting to get volume has ruined a long line of Box Skyline based cars. Like the in line Falcon, it just needed to get SUV'd to make the numbers.


Anyway, enough already.

I don't finance Fords deign process. Despite Toyotas current cash situation, its living on name now, not quality, and its like a Holley 4010 or 4011 carb, a piece of great production line cost expediency, but when it comes to service, a piece of crap that undermines all the great work of all the ealier Holley models. Due to lack of major parts availability, it, like Toyota, was designed fundamentally to kill Hot Rodding.

When you can't work on something because its got too many plastic clips and it cant be repeat removed and fiddled with, it kills it for the next generation. All the Toyta and Nissan front drive based SUV's and X overs are just the spawn of merchanisers who only want your wallet, not your hearts and minds. Rear driver based 4 X4's, now they are awesome....

Toyota and Nissan lost it for me when they failed to make there cars service life like that of a Ford, or Fords advancement in design. Don't care why, but when it takes me 8 months or research and parts to redo a simple head gasket on my 1996 RAV4, when it took six hours to do my 1982 TT132 Hemi 1600 four, then Toyota has screwed itself. In a similar way, my wife opted out of Falcons when she saw the rust. Well, despite a 187 hp, 6900 rpm, 16.5 second engine, the Nissan is a worse rust bucket than any Falcon or Territory ever made.
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Post #26 by chad » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:16 pm

X ? : "...the Sport Trac pickup Explorer…"
that may B the same vehicle I mention in the 9th post in this thread?
Looked similar to the very 1st pic in the thread. Came in 2 generations & @ least 4 'models'.

U were able to import them Oz?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Explorer_Sport_Trac
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Post #27 by xctasy » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:10 am

chad wrote:X ? : "...the Sport Trac pickup Explorer…"
that may B the same vehicle I mention in the 9th post in this thread?
Looked similar to the very 1st pic in the thread. Came in 2 generations & @ least 4 'models'.

U were able to import them Oz?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Explorer_Sport_Trac
Like U say, axed purdy fassss!


The very same

chad wrote:"...What larger family vehicles are out there that had a stock inline 6 cylinder engine? I'm hoping for a 4wd that can sit 4-5 and 2 dogs... A early bronco is a tad too small... Any other options?…"
There's a 54!t load of em! World went wild on either side of the minivan (B4 and after THAT craze hit). Still kinda is
But
not so many w/the straight six. Pick any SUV U can swap the 6 motor of choice inta.
Don't 4get - there's a few non-ford ( & ford ) straight 6s from the '20s - current…

Did the ford explorer (that 4 door p/u w/the lill p/u bed in back) have the last of the 4.9s?


Yep, a Ranger FX4 one year, then an Explorer Sport Trac Tray Deck the next.

Ford Light (sub 1.5 ton) Trucks could have been expanded in the US, but then the Consumer Groups would have hounded Ford and GM, and it may have resulted in another incursion on Jeep and F truck sales. Proably wisely, Ford just quietly released the tray deck Xtra, and didn't support it hardly at all.



like the book, the branching out of new SUV's, like the in line turbo six, was a risk to Fords core business.

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" High and Mighty: The Dangerous Rise of the SUV"-by ex Consumer Guide author Keith Bradsher 512 pages ISBN-10: 1586482033, ASIN: B000A176P6, Consumerism is very important in the US, but its marketing suicide to sell more risky roll over vehicles when the legal climate is so hostile.








Like the IRS Corvair
the Pinto gas tank,
the Ford T bar shifter hooking into drive while idling
Audi throttle actvation via idlecircuit activation
the Bronco II roll overs
the Fire$+one 23 psi tires on Exlplorers
The SUV verses passenger car bumpers
Lexus/Camry front drive throttle jam ons

A lot of really popular vehicles don't get the airplay and sales upswing because of the threat of legal action if they sell 400,000 of 'em a year and even 20 of them result in accidental death..

Ford Explorer Sport Trac

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For the 2000 model year, Ford introduced the Ford Explorer Sport Trac as its first crew-cab compact pickup in North America. Though Ford already produced a crew-cab Ranger in Argentina, the Explorer Sport Trac was intended as a personal-use vehicle rather than a work vehicle. The Explorer Sport Trac was a combination of several vehicles: the Ranger long-wheelbase chassis, the Explorer Sport front bodywork, F-150 tailgate, an all-new composite bed, and a cab formed from the five-door Explorer.

As with the Ranger and Explorer three-door, the first generation Sport Trac was powered solely by V6 engines, with a 4.6-liter Modular V8 option beginning for model year 2006, though both two and four-wheel drive configurations were available. In 2006, the Explorer Sport Trac adopted the Ford mid-size SUV platform, ending the production of the Ranger-based Explorer; in 2010, the model was discontinued.


and Double Cab Ranger...

....To better match the needs of local buyers, Ford of Argentina replaced the 4.0L V6 with two different powertrain options, including a 3.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder diesel with 163 hp (122 kW) and 280 lb·ft (380 N·m) of torque mated to an Eaton FSO-2405-A five-speed manual transmission.

Ford Ranger (Argentina) wheelbases and bed lengths:[24]

1998–2012 – 111.5 inches (2,831 mm) – 6 ft. bed (1,732mm) Single Cab
1998–2012 – 117.6 inches (2,987 mm) – 7 ft. bed (2,129mm) Single Cab
1998–2012 – 125.7 inches (3,192 mm) – 5 ft. bed (1,467mm) Double Cab

Engines:[24]
Engine Years Power Torque
2.3 L Duratec HE gasoline I4 2004–present 148 hp (110 kW) 159 lb·ft (216 N·m)
3.0 L Power Stroke diesel I4 2004–present 163 hp (122 kW) 280 lb·ft (380 N·m)


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Post #28 by 65fback » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:14 am

I was going to say a Fairlane body could be had with a 200 or 250, but then I went back and read 4wd. LOL.
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Post #29 by chad » Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:24 am

no 4 door Rangers here I don't believe.

Nice book. I heard an interview on 'public radio' here w/da author.

Not sure how many of U have noticed…the USA auto mrkt is really starting to import (& often customize) vehicles frm other countries. Just dropped the traditional London Cab 4 going in a new direction. Old 1s R being imported by the fleet. Old 4WD ambalances, other type trucks R commin in frm europe 4 the rich off rders…Exchange rate (& Amer. economy) must B improvin.

Hey X:
Y did Toy, ford & Holden just pull outta Down Under?
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Post #30 by xctasy » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:25 pm

chad wrote:no 4 door Rangers here I don't believe.

Nice book. I heard an interview on 'public radio' here w/da author.

Not sure how many of U have noticed…the USA auto mrkt is really starting to import (& often customize) vehicles frm other countries. Just dropped the traditional London Cab 4 going in a new direction. Old 1s R being imported by the fleet. Old 4WD ambalances, other type trucks R commin in frm europe 4 the rich off rders…Exchange rate (& Amer. economy) must B improvin.

Hey X:
Y did Toy, ford & Holden just pull outta Down Under?



Just Ford at the moment.

Our man on the spot cool23, the Ford Freighter Diesel Turbo Propane man has been following the events

Cool23 wrote:That is all very interesting But Isuzu have pulled the connection with GM and Holden as Isuzu have made many vehicles for Holden going back to the Jackaroo. The Holden Colorado at present is made by Isuzu. Isuzu do not want to go down the track GM want them to go along and will join up with Mazda to build a super ute. What does this mean? Well the alliance with Ford and Mazda will also most likely fold in the future and that may stop the development of both the Ranger and Everest both built in Thailand Ford Factories. Presently the Mazda BT50 is what the Ranger and Everest are based on and both the Ford and Mazda factories in Thailand are next door to each other.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/464666/gm-a ... -upmarket/

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innov ... d51e34a3c0

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor. ... FB00278B23

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/0 ... h-america/

In the present time Australia is looking to a future with no major vehicle manufacturing. With the exception of Mack, Kenworth etc.

Tomcar are still building here but can not get the vehicle road registered like they can in other countries.
http://www.tomcar.com.au/


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=71407&p=583183#p583183
Cool23 wrote:
mkeily wrote:Well the party is over, the last Falcon rolled off the assembly line last Friday the 7th of October 2016.
A very sad day for the venerable Ford Falcon.


Did you read my post made back on the 9th ?


viewtopic.php?f=46&t=75740&p=583035#p583035

Cool23 wrote:On Friday the 7th October 2016 the last Australian built Falcon came off the production line at Ford Broadmeadows. Of interest here is the fact it is an inline six and the last inline six built at the Ford Geelong engine plant. This car will not be sold but will go into a Museum.

The last Territory came off the production line at the same time. Some 600 workers have now finished working for Ford.
Some design and testing work will still be done in this country.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-07/f ... rs/7909836

As of the 7th this ends 91 years of Ford Australia building and assembling vehicles in this country.

On the same day the last Holden Cruze came off the production line in South Australia and 12 months from now Holden (GMH) and Toyota will also cease production and no major manufacturer will build cars in this country.



I think with the anti bussiness attitudes of the State towards there own industry, for example, how Tomcar are being treated

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http://www.tomcar.com/special-forces.html

I'd say everyone is on edge down here.

Ford Australia's Geelong gray iron (engines, Ion gearboxes, Dana transaxles) , and BroadMedows manufactoring plant is gone burger. Holden and Toyota will follow next year. The bauxite plants and aluminium castings compoany Alcoa is in dispute, and Toyota won't be able to divide the formerly Ford/GM/Toyota costs of getting castings made. So at this same time in 2017, it'll be all over Rover.

The Ford design team, which centers on Asian-Pacific and South East Asian and Chinese Ford vehicle design, is still very active. They did the initailly Government funded T6, then the Short wheelbase T6 based Everest* and Endeavour*, and of course, the earlier updates to the Falcon platform, including the Territory AWD. FASPAC(Ford ASia- Pacific), the former Mazda (Toyo Kogyo)-Ford liason, is disolving, so Ford Australia is doing assigned reworks of US and One Ford body designs for.

First was the Fairlane style stretch of the Chinese Taurus, now its onto the next AWD T6 incarnation, without Mazda.


Regarding the importing of non conforming to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety and Emissions foreign transprt, its always been that way, just that Americans are having a little F-U-N again, and the F-U-N Nazis haven't clamped down on those kind of things, nor are they likely to. "F_imports"....the so called non Black market Gray Imports... its been happening all the time. The Chicken Tax creates the market for it...

An FX4 Cab or DAF or LDV (Leyland DAF Vans) commercials have VM Diesels or the old GM BOP 215 aluminum v8 in 3.9 or 4.6 form. SAIC makes it in China as the Maxus V80.

Old pre 1981 stuff doesn't need emissions IM testing, while personal imports don't need anything at all in non crtical smog states untill its time to sell it.



Love those names.

First person on the top of Everest was a Kiwi, Sir Ed Hillary

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but Sherpa Tenzing Norgay had saved Eds life before, and declined to hit the summit first. So TN was the only one pictured at the roof of the world...

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The last space shuttle was named after the first Kiwi bound ship called the Endeavour they were Prisoners of Mother England (POMs)

The May 1992 to May 2011 orbiter OV-105 is named after the British HMS Endeavour, the ship which took Captain James Cook on his first voyage of discovery (1768–1771).[5] This is why the name is spelled in the British English manner, rather than the American English ("Endeavor"). This has caused confusion, including when NASA itself misspelled a sign on the launch pad in 2007.[6] The Space Shuttle carried a piece of the original wood from Cook’s ship inside the cockpit.[7] The name also honored Endeavour, the Command Module of Apollo 15, which was also named after Cook's ship.
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Post #31 by chad » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:11 am

Well I certainly don't know what's goin on (the worl stage) but the way I read the 'leaving Oz' thing is…
may B the economy has changed enuff that all the co.s think there's (more) money 2 B made now offa
vehicle sales. (& the proffits have all ways been on the upscale 1s. A la trucks, sport vehicles, a gent's
Tommy Car for the hunt or ck the out back 4 distracted sheep).

I'll say one thing - nonea this stuff is on "the media" here so…
I really appreciate ur links (even 2 our own guys - the Oz fella w/the T-bucket 4 an avatar).
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Post #32 by xctasy » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:25 pm

chad wrote:Well I certainly don't know what's goin on (the worl stage) but the way I read the 'leaving Oz' thing is…
may B the economy has changed enuff that all the co.s think there's (more) money 2 B made now offa
vehicle sales. (& the proffits have all ways been on the upscale 1s. A la trucks, sport vehicles, a gent's
Tommy Car for the hunt or ck the out back 4 distracted sheep).

I'll say one thing - nonea this stuff is on "the media" here so…
I really appreciate ur links (even 2 our own guys - the Oz fella w/the T-bucket 4 an avatar).


Simon is very good.


He modestly calls himself " an old car recycler and a Street Rod owner driver".

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http://www.streetrod.com.au/index.htm

His personal 170 cubic inch T rod is great,
his "Diesel Inliner." truck stuff is just world class, viewtopic.php?t=41598
his trailer stuff is exceptional,
his garage sensational,

and not only does he keep us informed, he puts up with my crap spelling, "bro" talk and grammer.

He also deals with Ford parts from all over Australia, as well as some American 8 and 9" axle sourced stuff, and has suppliers the world over who deliver great and quite clever products.
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Re: 4wd 250/200 family vehicle

Post #33 by chad » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:17 pm

"...he puts up with my crap spelling, "bro" talk and grammer…"
Top Shelf !
thnx 4 his link…
like 2 C es "in cab apperadius" (lookin 4 a ratchet handel style accentuater).
'on the drive shaft ' could really help me w/my 'off rd' rig...
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Post #34 by xctasy » Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:19 am

chad wrote:"...he puts up with my crap spelling, "bro" talk and grammer…"
Top Shelf !
thnx 4 his link…
like 2 C es "in cab apperadius" (lookin 4 a ratchet handel style accentuater).
'on the drive shaft ' could really help me w/my 'off rd' rig...



Standard handbrake cable.


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1998-2001 Ford Explorers down here were bucket seat, and had a Mustang Fox style handbrake.


Its basically like the swap Ford did betwen a Bench seat Fox footbrake and a Mustang center console park brake.

The Australians seamed to trash there cars far harder than the US did, racing at grass rootes level eliminated car maker preperation, and your were forced to use 100% stock components in a competiton enviroment.


Brakes and wheel retention and really good radial tires were the main issues of interest to Australians. The 4X4 advent of the 1990 to 1991 R32 Skyline killed competiive racing. That was the only time 4x4's out paced two wheel drives. The exception is the arduous whooping 280 mile 1974 to date Tatts Finke Desert Race...is the toughest offroad event on the planet, with a 35 mph average, but some have done 60 mph section speeds. To ace it, you need a KTM or Offroad truck, and its the yummpiest road around, its got cyclic waves of death unlike anything anywhere. The Aussie outback center at Alice Springs knowhere knows how to destroy anything. Red rust riverbeds aren't soft sand and yumps, but absolute kidney killers.

With that backdrop, the brakes, tires and uprights get hammered beyond belief.

From 1973 onwards, the early Disc brake 9" axle on the Ford LTD's and Falcon 351 GT's got a cable to disc brake handbrake. So its easy to do. Early discs used to crack due to heat stress when you did a hard run with the brakes, then pulled up the hadbrake. That's been fixed with new materials, the SM park brake is really cool. Basically like a truck hydraulic center drive shaft brake.

You know, most later cars have internal drum brakes on disc, like the 1978 Australian PBR Holden Commodore brakes used in the 1982 onwards Firebirds and TransAm's. In fact, the whole axle assmbly for a few years. Like the Corvette and SN95 premium brakes, all Australian made.


Aussies earned one thing with 500 and 620 mile car road races. Great brakes, no four wheel drums. No spindel collapses.

These were all things that US cars had problems with in the 60's..wheels falling off, crossplies, and no brakes to speak of.
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Re: 4wd 250/200 family vehicle

Post #35 by chad » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:33 pm

I just hate the | foot peddle set, handle release | my EB came with.
The | ratchet handle, trigger release | were a lill better in some v3hicles.
But the best is the| stick with button release | so many have now.

Wish I could grab a drive shaft e-brake offa 4WD ZF5 BUT
I wuz tired of pickin mud'n stone outta my rear OEM drums so took an
'85 El Dorado rear brake caliper (2 pistons - 1 for ebrake & 1 for brake peddle) and
an '86 CJ rotor with a bracket from the after mrkt race car manufacturers make and
after redrillin the rotor now have a street legal disc e-brake (ended up 1disc @ each corner) equipped EB.

Now I'm lookin 4 an easy way to get a passenger's floor, between seat or under dash (not decided) ol school /or/ modern Japanese sedan style handle/button. I have a PTO to put in & that shifter will B on the passenger's floor or side of "the hump", it might go close to that...
IDK most stuff, 4 me, waits till I have time'n money, all ways have alota time to plan/review options... even a 'line lock' (goes inta the brake line) would B nice (wrkin the winch) but pretty sure that would disallow registration 4 street.
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Re: 4wd 250/200 family vehicle

Post #36 by chad » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:37 pm

how's yer search goin?

The che##y brought back a straight 6 ('92 - 9) in a Tahoe (4dr)and
some other models (don't follow bow tie, can't name em).
That fit yer bill? It's 4WD, a 250ci...
One a local jazzed up the
exterior - LOOKs nice…
(3dr, silver)
:idea:
?
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Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Re: 4wd 250/200 family vehicle

Post #37 by chad » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:03 am

no reply…
How's this one? same displacement U seek:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-l ... e-rover-2/

interesting site. let me know how U like their offerings / comments or this vehicle 4 yer needs...
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Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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