slo growth 170/D20/3.03 to 250/D20/NV3550

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slo growth 170/D20/3.03 to 250/D20/NV3550

Post #1 by chad » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:56 pm

Moved -a-Thread

Might as well have my own, just never thought it a good idea as knew it would take a long time. Mike W. encouraged me to do so but (as compaired to most the folks I C on here) I wuz a lill embarised to take the space...

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Well I keep reading your signature (bmbc40) and wanting to go almost in that entire direction. After puttin around since '82 I'm ready for some changes. Just rebuilt the carter YF w/help from the ford-truck (FTE) forum and seems like a new rig!!! No money (unemployed) so THAT was afordable. From what little I know the ZF may be for me. Body lift, Bilstiens, 250 (for $600, but down in TN me in MA :cry: ) all the clifford stuff, some ignition upgrade. Nice to dream...The '77 frame and accoudermints (2" SL, D44, PS) this summer helped. Ring n pinion to match the 33". I'd be done (ie in the poor house, but happy :lol: ).
May be @ our next contact I'll take U up on your help offer n tell U my need, pick your brain about if the above dreams 'ill 'get me there'? I think you're in NV and that could mean you have some insights not available to me!
Again, thanks for your contacts/offer/presence.
Chad
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Re: 170 out..250 in...(name of ol post by Jebus)
chad » Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:40 pm

what the heck, I got the D5DE too. Different state different guy (has "M" head, is '69 stang). Step 2 is the steam clean. Now I need a bell n starter to listen/ck compression on the stand. 4.9/300 I6, 5.0/302, 351/5.8, any other bells fit. What would the vehicles B? What yrs? Same ol' prob., all crushed around here n don't know "who had what" but know what I need.

Some 1 said my 4.1L's fly wheel, bein so thin (1/2" or less), is auto n I could get either auto or manual transmission bell. Don't sound right? I'd like to get a mani so it'll slide in where my 2.8 was, said it'd bolt right up. Guess I can put the fly wheel from the 2.8 to it? If I got a bell w/hydrolic do you think it'd spin a ZF if I snuck it in behind (one for $300 from neighbor)? May B a 5.0 bell from one of the ford p/u or SUV's had a donner (4 this) w/a hydrolic clutch to fit in the ZF - bad idea?. What else is needed beside slave n master for that - change the clutch, throw out, pilot, bronk's peddle? May B a different cross member 4 the ZF?

Most expensive is to put my C4 to it (needs rebuild). That's nother Q. Bronk is a work truck, need low rev grunt. Auto w/OD may not fit the bill (w/a 250), No high revs allowed, hmmm wonder bout that with the C4, may B manual throtle body.

2" suspen. lift I got = no pan probs, still need the 1" BL? Option: graft the 170 to the 250 pans, redirect the p/u tube to (is it) rear or frnt sump for the 4.1 conversion? Looks like it's in the middle as stock.

Wow, lotta Qs. Long way 2 go, unemployed. Wish me luck...
Back later re: carb n motor build - 1st things 1st.
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749[/s

Post #3
by 1strodeo
Re: 170 out..250 in...
» Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:55 pm

Hey Chad did you ever do the 250/3550 install?
If the OP sold the halfcab I'm guessing he no longer frequents this site?
Jeff

Post #4
by bmbm40 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:26 pm

That dude has been gone a long time. His plan was part of the inspiration for my 250 swap.
[size=85]66 Bronco-1970 250, NV3550, DSII, 4 turn ps, uncut, 1" bl, 2.5" sl, front disc, twin stick D 20, 30 x 9.50
NEXT- direct mount 1.08 on D8 head, power brakes, rear limited slip, 3G, electric fan, electric upgrades, custom curved DSII, header, 31" tires

'81 F150 4x4 300
New guy? Get this>http://www.falcon6handbook.com


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chad » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:57 am

Well Jeff, things R progressing v e r y slowly.
Got a coupla motors (long story - 1 frm VA one frm TN, two long term on-line buddies [10 yr.s each] for 150$ shippin, 150$ each). One has been machined and partially assembled. I'm hand fitting the exh. port divider in the '69 250 ('stang) right now. I cleaned the rockers but need to get the end plugs for the r. shaft back in. Uncertain on the prt #s.
Got an NV 3550 and just need 100$ more for the adaptors (will take one month more for final savings - that's a wk's pay!). Almost all parts R here'n assembled, just need to place on the rig. Last of the logs have been hauled up to the neighbor's band saw mill. After 30 some yrs the bronk's final season is about here (late March early April - no more trees to drop, the baby forest animals will be nesting there & don't wanna kill any). Hopin to switch from 70% off / 30% on rd to the opposite…
Thanks for askin~
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749


Post #6
Re: 170 out..250 in...3.03 out NV3550 in
chad » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:37 am

well, 170's pulled.
Time 2 power wash the bay'n scratch, wipe'n paint the bay (& 'under' hood)..

The NV bell's gone & the AA adapter'n ford sb bell is mounted.

I don't look forward to swappin out the spud shaft on the D20. Gotta glue the numerous roller bearings in (w/heavy grease) the housing while swapin the transfer's output shaft to the AA one.

This aint like the 34 yrs of simple maintenance I been doin
8^0 yikes

BTW:
Wanna buy a strong 170? a 3.03? (some ada local circle track guys use this 3 speed - good to 500HP, due to lightness)
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749


Post #7
bmbm40
Re: 170 out..250 in...
Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:48 pm

Good progress!
66 Bronco-1970 250, NV3550, DSII, 4 turn ps, uncut, 1" bl, 2.5" sl, front disc, twin stick D 20, 30 x 9.50
NEXT- direct mount 1.08 on D8 head, power brakes, rear limited slip, 3G, electric fan, electric upgrades, custom curved DSII, header, 31" tires
'81 F150 4x4 300
New guy? Get this>http://www.falcon6handbook.com


Post #8
chad
Re: 170 out..250 in...
» Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:09 pm

bmbm40 wrote:
Good progress!
don't know bout that...ur already there!
Got coupla wkends left,

AND thnx !

bronks, umphf...
:roll:
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017

Post #9
chad
transfer done - onto last motor procedures
» Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:26 pm

lill trouble gettin all the ol gears onda new spud shaft...
didn't wanna crush the 1st one on - the oil seal. BUT...
the C-clip wouldn't go on (the slot didn't show @ end) last gear wuz coverin it.
Took over to the press'n "cheeeeeek, creeeeek" pressed down till the shaft showed the final slot...bout the same time -
a 'bottoming' could B felt in the pump arm of the ram. "Better stop right there"

So now it fits the c-clip. Roller/Needle berrings seemed too big for the housing/gears but glued em into place w/da grease. Slipped the shaft into the Transfer. Seems fine after all.
Onto snot-gasket-snot to mate transfer to transmish...but he stopped me. Doesn't wanna put them in as a set. Wants one-@-a-X.

Back to da motor. Vaced a corn kernal out of the thermostat reciving area of the block. Musta come frm the corn bin other side of the garage? Damn mice! We just re-did an engine harness a lady brought us frm mice damage.

Ready to tq the APR head bolts (head on just to keep the dust out). Is it 80 ft lbs of tq? Don't know? How do I find out?
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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tq down APR head studs

Post #2 by chad » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:42 pm

OK, godid !
went to APR site, Rich Creation's post @ Index page hada link...

80 ft lbs / 3 cycles 2 get there

wonder if I shoulda got the rod bolts too?
:evil:
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Re: slo growth 170/D20/3.03 to 250/D20/NV3550

Post #3 by bmbm40 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:06 pm

Sounds like good progress.
66 Bronco-1970 250, NV3550, DSII, 4 turn ps, uncut, 1" bl, 2.5" sl, front disc, twin stick D 20, 30 x 9.50
NEXT- direct mount 1.08 on D8 head, power brakes, rear limited slip, 3G, electric fan, electric upgrades, custom curved DSII, header, 31" tires

'81 F150 4x4 300

New guy? Get this>http://www.falcon6handbook.com

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slo growth 170/D20/3.03 to 250/D20/NV3550

Post #4 by chad » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:10 pm

made up lift plates to mock up motor / transfer / dodge transmis off of my stand/tester.
Wish some 1 hada "permanent lift-plates' template 4 me.

Might lay em out on the floor this wk...lill trouble w/supplied 11inch clutch. Right spine for the dodge but too big for the FW. S4!t, this stuff has gotten all mixed. Ol clutch, pressure plate, pilot, FW. New clutch, TO bearing, another FW, the 170, a 300 and a 250 FWs, jeesh, humm, umm, ooof. 3 yrs has dulled the memory! Told em (Advance/TBP) not to send the 302 clutch but they'd not wrk on "what will fit the 250?"
:oops:
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Frankinstine: dord or fodge - TBP, AA, NAPA "pieces/parts" (F. Perdue)

Post #5 by chad » Thu May 03, 2018 9:49 am

picked upa 250 PP, ol 170 wont do, think the TO sent in the Advance Adapters kit will work. Trimmed dwn Toms Bronco Parts clutch disc to fit the ford p. plate. They all fit the 300 (or is it a 250?) FW.

The 250 is a lill longer (3 inch, 6??) than the bent8 this kit usually goeswid. I wonder if I need to move the motor forward so as to have the 2 shift levers still inda frnt seat? How bout the lill clutch pivot bracket or bell crank support...not sure this alu bell shipped wida motor has a place for it. More Qs for 'when we get there". :lol:
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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D20 paint / modern hdlghts?

Post #6 by chad » Thu May 10, 2018 10:10 am

transfer cleaned'n wire brushed. Some 1 had painted it B4 my ownership pre '83. Some typea red (not quite oxide red primer - brighter)...the whole body (of the vehicle) had an original red/maroon like the oxide primer, tho (some day I'll read the tag'n decipher the paint code).

Have always heard bout POR15. Found it ina rattle can on line. Never saw that B4. Kept searchin till it came down to $9 a can. No wrd on if it needed primer underneath but this 1 is listed "top coat". Hit the Transfer wid brake cleaner, wiped down w/non-lint cloth. Sprayed away on the typical "one spring day" we have in New England (1st, last? warm sunny day in May B4 the rest go to hot'n sticky). Too lazy to tape off so got some on the near 3 inch thick alu adaptor plate. May just leave it there. Buddy who's garage it's in sez: "Hey, U paid thousand bucks 4 dat stuff'n get paint all over it?"

Thinkin bout headlght conversion. Prices R down enuff - may B I can aford $65 for glass buckets, relays, new pig tails'n H2 bulbs? We'll C... :idea:
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), 250, NV 3550 & DSII to B transplanted, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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