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Post #1 by 66BroncoDD » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:25 pm

The NV3550 is clearly the 5 speed of choice for a bronco daily driver. What would be necessary to attach this to a 200?

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Post #2 by garyt120r » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:37 pm

Money.:) The full kit is over $2000. The adapters add up to almost $900 if you have a tranny. Here's a writeup. Seems pretty simple.

http://classicbroncos.com/tech/nv-3550-install

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Post #3 by bmbm40 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:32 pm

You would have to have the correct 200 block for the modifications to it as detailed in the Falcon Performance Manual.
I bought my NV3550 off Ebay for about $675 plus shipping and the AA kit from Adventurous 4x4 at a discount from most sources if I recall it was $725 then bh, flywheel, resurfacing it totaled about $1800. Too use the 200 block you will have extra machine costs. Consider finding a 250 there is work involved but they are a great choice for the Bronco. I noticed some guys are using the AX15 I think it is called they might be cheaper but would have to check it out.
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Post #4 by 80broncoman » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:52 am

Here is some info i have found on Jeep transmissions
AX-15 5 sp
Nv3550 5 sp
NSG370 6sp

These all have the same bellhousing patterns and T case flange.
The AX-15 has a external slave cylinder.

AX-15 - 1997-1999
* 5 speed manual
* Used with 6 cyl models
* 10 spline input
* 23 spline output
* Ratios:
1st - 3.83
2nd - 2.33
3rd - 1.44
4th - 1.00
5th - 0.79
Rev - 4.22
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NV3550 - 2000-2004
* 5 speed manual
* Used with 6 cyl models
* 10 spline input
* 23 spline output
* Ratios:
1st - 4.01
2nd - 2.33
3rd - 1.39
4th - 1.00
5th - 0.78
Rev - 3.57
-------------------------------------------------
NSG370 - 2005-2006
* 6 speed manual
* Used with both 4 cyl and 6 cyl models
* 10 spline input
* 23 spline output
* Ratios:
1st - 4.46
2nd - 2.61
3rd - 1.72
4th - 1.25
5th - 1.00
6th - 0.84
Rev - 4.06
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Post #5 by garyt120r » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:42 am

Put in a 2" body lift. Then make an adapter plate for the Big block ZF to the 200. Find a conversion clutch disk. I measured it all up an it will work, just no idea where to get the clutch disk.

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Post #6 by chad » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:10 pm

66BroncoDD wrote:The NV3550 is clearly the 5 speed of choice for a bronco daily driver. What would be necessary to attach this to a 200?

I think there's a very limited number of 200(in the '80s?) w/a high starter (or is it low?) such that the bell fits the 'small block' ford (a misnomer) transmission (250, 289, 300, 302, 5.0, 351). I think there R plenty ZFs for this family (correct name).
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Post #7 by garyt120r » Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:50 am

I have an NV3550 for sale near the USA border (Niagara Falls/Buffalo) for $500CAD. That's $385 USD. Give me what I'm asking and I'll bring it across the border and meet you.:) Can't beat that deal.:)

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Post #8 by bmbm40 » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:32 pm

That is a good price. Do you know if it needs a rebuild?
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Post #9 by garyt120r » Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:50 am

All I can tell you is it worked. I know the guy who took it out and it was because the whole truck rusted apart around it. I was going to install it as-is, just not bothering anymore. Going to keep my 3-on-the-tree for now.

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Post #10 by chad » Sun May 29, 2016 12:09 pm

chad wrote:
66BroncoDD wrote:The NV3550 is clearly the 5 speed of choice for a bronco daily driver. What would be necessary to attach this to a 200?

I think there's a very limited number of 200 (in the '80s?) w/a high starter (or is it low?) such that the bell fits the 'small block' ford (a misnomer) transmission (250, 289, 300, 302, 5.0, 351). I think there R plenty ZFs for this family (correct name).


So the main thing is finding the 200 w/a SBF bell pattern.
NO adapters ( Novicks, Advance, ? ) are made to mate the 00-04 NV3550 to a D30/200 or D44/200. It's a machin shop job. Patterns can B measured and designed offa the Advance Adapters current work (is that copy writed? - illegal?) but the last 1/2 - one 1/4 would hafta B done by another (ur machinest).

I like the ZF better 4 my use - lower 1st gear, TWO PTOs.
BUT I have little to no funds.
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Post #11 by colby45 » Tue May 31, 2016 11:06 am

I like the ZF better 4 my use - lower 1st gear, TWO PTOs.
BUT I have little to no funds.


ZF's are cheap to buy (you can grab the 2wd version for pretty cheap), and they will mate directly to a stock V8, but I believe some custom work would have to be done to adapt it to a six. You will still need an adapter on the t-case side and a new spud shaft, a custom cross member and t-case shift brackets. Along with that, it needs a hydraulic clutch system because it has an integral bell housing (stock clutch itself can be retained, just no mechanical linkage). It is also an expensive proposition, probably $1800 - $2000 once it's all said and done.

Have you considered an NP435? It is a less expensive option with no custom fabrication (just a t-case adapter which is cheaper to buy) and gets you a granny gear for crawling. They are super durable, but gears 2-4 are very similar to the stock 3 speeds. Also, first and reverse on non-synchro'd so that's fun. Here are some great articles on transmission swaps.

http://classicbroncos.com/tranny-zf.shtml

http://classicbroncos.com/ZF_Transmission_Swap.shtml

http://classicbroncos.com/tranny-np435.shtml
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Post #12 by chad » Tue May 31, 2016 8:40 pm

"…an NP435?…"
yes, that wuz on the p/u. When hayin the hill we could throw it in 1st, jump out (no driver/passenger), w/door open, run back & load bales & truck wouldn't even 'run away' from us, jump back in & proceed to the nxt bails.

For yrs & yrs it's been adapted to the bronk! Guys there in Colarodie must have plenty that way!

The NV (same co. as NP - yrs later) will add a gear on top & below my 3.03. Not as deep a low as the 435 but sufficient for my need (4 vs 6 to 1) PLUS an OD.

ZF:
"…custom work would have to be done to adapt it to a six…" MY 6 has the same bell as the bent8. 1 of 2 - 3 reasons for gettin 2 & takin 1 to the machine shop!
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Post #13 by colby45 » Tue May 31, 2016 11:52 pm

Yeah the NV would give you the OD and a very solid low first. Aside from bell housing, there is much custom work to be done. t-case adapter, cross member, t-case linkage, etc. Just keep that in mind. A great setup, just a little more expense but every Bronco guy I know who has done it raves about it and would never go back to anything else.
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Post #14 by garyt120r » Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:05 am

A big block or diesel ZF will fit the small six with an adapter plate. Just the clutch plate will need to be custom made to fit the 1-1/8" pilot of the tranny. I have all the autocad drawings and if you don't have the means, an machine shop could easily drill the plate for you. The big block has a 5.72:1 first and the Diesel is in the low 4s. The question is, can your six push an overdrive and not lose efficiency.

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Post #15 by chad » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:31 pm

NV:
"…t-case adapter, cross member, t-case linkage, etc. Just keep that in mind…"
just left out "transmis mount'n rubber and motor/transmis adapter".

ZF:
"…an machine shop could easily…"
yes, less expensive round here to go that way than use Advance Adapt. parts.
Can U tell me how to eliminate the hydro clutch?
My falcon motor can spin any OD made for sports cars thru 18 wheelers (due to the rear end gear v tire sz v tranmis gear v engine tq).
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Post #16 by garyt120r » Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:55 pm

I don't think you can use a ZF without the master/slave cylinders. Why would you want to eliminate the hydraulic clutch? It's so smooth and better pedal feel than linkage or cable. Plus with the Big Block ZF the actuator is external.

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Post #17 by colby45 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:16 pm

That is correct. There is no way to use a ZF without a hydro clutch.
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Post #18 by garyt120r » Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:50 am

There was a guy on www.classicbroncos.com who put a big block ZF in his bronco with a 400. So the transmission fits fine. Just need an adapter plate and a clutch disc made to accept the 1-1/8" pilot. Not a big deal for most shops. I'm seriously debating this myself someday as I have 3 spare transmissions.

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Post #19 by chad » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:20 am

garyt120r wrote:There was a guy on http://www.classicbroncos.com who put a big block ZF in his bronco with a 400. So the transmission fits fine. Just need an adapter plate and a clutch disc made to accept the 1-1/8" pilot. Not a big deal for most shops. I'm seriously debating this myself someday as I have 3 spare transmissions.


Sounds like McF ('Chessy', VA) at least he wuz the 1st I knew who did that (? late '80s, early '90s?). Met on the 'midlantic bronco' or 'early bronco' listserv. Naval architect.
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Post #20 by garyt120r » Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:09 pm

I saw the thread on classicbroncos.com and it really got my head spinning about throwing in a ZF. Right now I'm concentrating on my fiberglass tub though.

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Post #21 by chad » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:42 pm

1 inch body lift (strongly) suggested.
The vehicle is sceamin 4 one anyway.
Just get a '00 - '04 (my 1st try I got the wrong 1) Heep's, not the others.
No redily available adapters made 4 them odders.
250's the right bell, may need a pivot point made up for the peddle.
~ $850 a good kit (which includes adiquate directions but) no transmission.
I got the NV for $450
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Post #22 by hucklburry » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:32 pm

If you have the V8 bell housing pattern (250 and those low mount 200), a Mazda trans from a manual F-150 with 302/351 would work as well. The ZF adapter kit fits, and Ford put these behind 4.6L engines in the F150 (I had one in a 1997 F-150). Its a fine trans and would hold up just fine behind a 6, I can spell out more info if you want, or you can research at classic. You'd have to find an earlier F150 to get the 302 version. One from a 4x4 300 F-150 has the shifter a little farther back on the trans, which helps in the Bronco as well.

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Post #23 by chad » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:32 pm

"...Mazda trans…"
M5OD (1988 +) is not recommended for harder core off rd use by moders for the 300 or other 4WD Fords.
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Post #24 by hucklburry » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:47 pm

chad wrote:"...Mazda trans…"
M5OD (1988 +) is not recommended for harder core off rd use by moders for the 300 or other 4WD Fords.

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Don't get the r1, from a ranger, or bronco II.

If you get one from behind a V8, the R2 version, I don't know of anyone who installed it that was unhappy. There are some people running them on classic behind V8s, they came stock behind V8 and 300 in F150s, which are heavier than an early Bronco.

I'd have no problem with one, I might put one behind a 250, as it probably shifts better than the ZF and it will handle the 250 just fine.

In my 1997 F-150 extended cab 4x4 4.6 (heavier yet at over 6000#) it hauled some heavy loads (trailer and a 1988 F250 on it) and did fine.

I think the bad rap is from the R1, also there are some rubber plugs that need replaced with solid plugs, if they fail it loses fluid. You can google it.

I'd rather use this or the ZF (I have a ZF and adapters to install in my 69) and not deal with engine adapters, over the NV or AX, but thats just me.

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5 speeds and application: NV, M5OD, ZF

Post #25 by chad » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:52 pm

I'm wid ya on the ZF, again my statement is re:4WD w/R1 OR R2.
Go to our truck forum, Pirate, or FTE (I think even CB has enuff experience 2 lend an opine).
"Lite duty off rd".
Lookin for 4:1 or bedah (is 60 - 80:1 final drive 1st gear) that's STRONG.
This is in my 'wrk vehicle', not a 'recreation toy'.
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Post #26 by hucklburry » Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:25 pm

But the original poster is looking for a trans for a daily driver with a 200. And he is talking about a NV3550, not the 45, I think the mazda would last forever onces those plugs are changed. I might do one behind a 250 in my 66, I just missed one for $250. I'd just rather do that than mess with an adapter for the engine too.

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Post #27 by bmbm40 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:06 pm

I often thought I should have taken a closer look at the M50 after it ended up being about 1800 to get my nv3550 in and I got a good deal on my AA kit around 725 iirc. I think if you shopped carefully you could get a five speed in a Bronco for a reasonable amount using the M50.
I remember being a little unsure about the hydraulic clutch but it's probably not a big deal.
To me the NV shifts very smoothly and the ratios seem perfect but the M50 is probably similar. They should be plentiful and cheap in wrecking yards.
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Post #28 by chad » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:35 am

some run w/o the front chunk too.
You could do that as well.
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